Why not blame...

the striking NFL officials, instead of Goodell. Goodell is the sock puppet of the owners. The greedy NFL officials were reportedly offered 180K for a part-time job, but are holding out for a guaranteed pension. I would think of all people Wisconsinites would be sick and tired of being held hostage by unions. Like usual "BIG" owners and management are the villians, while those who want someone else to guarantee their retirement are the poor, innocent, starving, little guys who are victims of ruthless overlords. Give me a break, I don't buy it--especially for a bunch of guys that we would give our arm and a leg to do it for $10 an hour and meal per diems.

9/25/127:00 PM

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LarseeBearMember

Goodell approved of the "explanation". Don't fool yourself.

9/25/127:04 PM

Blair KielGOOD OL' FAKE BLAIR KIEL - My Hood? nice Henry. Fuck You!

I like where this is headed.

9/25/127:04 PM

TdogProspective Member

no kidding...

9/25/127:06 PM

FLPACKERMember

Know two officials personally. They want it all, want to keep it part time so they can keep their day job, don't want Goodell to add two more crews because it would mean they may lose a couple of games per year, want a pension although vast majority have pensions through their day job. Linesman with 3-5 years experience is making $80,000 per year for a part time job & they want more?

9/25/127:13 PM

trumpMember

is it a strike or a lockout?

9/25/127:16 PM

H5Keyboard Warrior, troll hunter

Lockout. This is on the owners and their mouthpiece Goodell. Just like the player lockout, the owners opted out of the last CBA to take the control.

9/25/127:21 PM

slowmoMember

quote:
Originally posted by Hungry5:
Lockout. This is on the owners and their mouthpiece Goodell. Just like the player lockout, the owners opted out of the last CBA to take the control.

Exactly. The "greedy NFL officials" are willing to come back to work under the same terms and conditions as last year.

As for our new poster's claim that "we would give our arm and a leg to do it for $10 an hour and meal per diems"---well, that's what the NFL thought when they brought in the unqualified scrubs willing to work for the per diem and daily rate. How's that working out?

9/25/127:29 PM

PakrzFREEZE!

NFL and the owners are at fault here.

9/25/127:30 PM

FLPACKERMember

The problem with these replacements as opposed to other situations is that these are far from the remaining best officials out there. The best college officials would not give up their college gigs for temporary NFL stint. The NFL got these officials from a pool of officials who have at some time applied to be NFL officials & were willing to leave their current officiating assignments.

9/25/127:36 PM

packerboiI lick rainbows

quote:
Give me a break, I don't buy it--especially for a bunch of guys that we would give our arm and a leg to do it for $10 an hour and meal per diems.

Well that's pretty much what you have now and look at your product that's on the field.

Im not excusing the ref's demands as very reasonable or even modest. 160K for a part-time job is a nice gig indeed. Then throw in a pension and it's that much better.

But the fact remains this is an 11 billion dollar producing sport and league. Giving them that very salary PLUS a pension is a drop of piss in a bucket. It's nothing.

And beyond the regular ref's having FAR FAR better knowledge of the rules and the game, players also respect them. No training course, no giddy and excited applicants, no applicants willing to do it for the love of the sport for 10 dollars an hour can replace that. At all.

What's especially dangerous is that were seeing a record number of personal fouls and WR's for example who are getting raped by DB's during their entire route. These ref's aren't even calling shi* anymore for holding or pass INT. And what's worse when something is called, it's complete crap like Shields last night.

Without the return of the regular crew, a player is going to get seriously hurt. And 160K a year to prevent that from happening is more then worth it IMO.

9/25/127:40 PM

titmfatiedNo Code

The nicer the nice, the higher the price.

9/25/128:09 PM

boxedupMember

I actually agree with a lot of what the NFL wants from the refs (money aside - I have no point of reference for what a ref deserves to be paid). There should be in-season accountability. There should be back up teams so that poor refs can be replaced. There's no reason a ref should have immunity until the season ends. They should be in shape all season long so that they can keep up with plays. I have no problem with that.

What I do have a problem with is that NFL has to know their demands would be met with stiff resistance, and that a lockout into the regular season was a likelihood. And yet they had no better plan for replacements than this bunch of incompetent buffoons we have now. Their fallback plan is damaging the sport. And it's inexcusable.

9/25/128:34 PM

FedyaMember

Can't we just blame Kworst?

9/25/128:48 PM

TimpranilloMember

quote:
Originally posted by Sufferinginmn:
the striking NFL officials

It's not a strike it's a lockout. Might want to learn the difference instead of spewing nonsense talking points that some poof gave you.

quote:
The greedy NFL officials were reportedly offered 180K for a part-time job, but are holding out for a guaranteed pension.

The pension is what was in the current contract. The refs aren't "holding out" for a pension. They are trying to prevent something that they had being taken away. And the OWNERS ARE LOCKING THEM OUT in order to try and do that. Again - might want to you know, like depend on actual research vs what your teatard friends tell you douchebag.

Here's the example. I get it, it's hard to pull up that hot basket of fries when the dinger goes off, but your manager at the local Mickey D's has decided they are gonna take away money from you. And, I get to call you greedy if you aren't happy with that. OK?

quote:
I would think of all people Wisconsinites would be sick and tired of being held hostage by unions. Like usual "BIG" owners and management are the villians, while those who want someone else to guarantee their retirement are the poor, innocent, starving, little guys who are victims of ruthless overlords.

Brilliant. Talking point spewing nitwit.

$3.3M year to settle this. For a league that makes BILLIONS and BILLIONS a year.

A month ago Bud paid the NFL $1.2 Billions dollars to "be the official beer" of the NFL.

But, please, play the tiny violin from the owners being raped by these poor officials. Asshead.

quote:
Give me a break, I don't buy it--especially for a bunch of guys that we would give our arm and a leg to do it for $10 an hour and meal per diems

Ah yes, the argument of the truly retarded. DERP I'D DO IT FOR $10 an hour.

Of course you'd do it for $10/hour. It's like 33% more than you make in your current job.

9/25/129:14 PM

CUPackFanMember

I agree, Boxedup. I agree with most of what the NFL wants, but it always comes down to money and I've gathered that the NFL is trying to get by paying as little as they can. That's why I think most of the blame lies with the NFL.

Also, there is no reason for the refs to come back. Hate to break it to Roger, but these refs have full time employment elsewhere. They're not going to run out of money, so this game of chicken isn't going to work. They'll sit out all year b/c they can. All while the NFL is suffering. And even if the league is ok, Goodell has cemented his legacy as the worst commissioner in NFL history and possibly in sports history. Is that really worth it?

9/25/129:14 PM

LarseeBearMember

If the NFL wants to step on its foreskin, fine, they have every right, just like our right not to buy any of it. Won't be the first business to kill off its golden goose.

And it won't be the first business killed by a union either.

9/25/129:25 PM

trumpMember

What I do not understand is if the NFL/Goodell was so adamant why didn't they just give their jobs(and thus make them submit to the changes) to the next best group of refs permanently?

I guess my question is How does a Lockout work? why wouldn't they just permanently dismiss them? I know it is not this simple.

9/26/129:18 AM

LarseeBearMember

The bottom line is the Nasty Frigin Liars only give a **** about the buck and loyal fans can take a hike. Which I will.

9/26/129:30 AM

Pikes PeakMember

quote:
Originally posted by trump:
What I do not understand is if the NFL/Goodell was so adamant why didn't they just give their jobs(and thus make them submit to the changes) to the next best group of refs permanently?

I guess my question is How does a Lockout work? why wouldn't they just permanently dismiss them? I know it is not this simple.

NFL refs have a very hard job, complicated rules, split second decisions, dealing with hysteric coaches and hyped up players and in the end getting riduculed publicly when they get something wrong. We see numerous bad calls every yr by the best officials in the world, we cannot tolerate the second best group of refs.

They will not permantly dismiss the best officials in the world cause without them they have seen what ensues.

9/26/129:38 AM

Music CityMember

But are they the second best? Details coming out now suggest they're not even the best among high school refs. It's a lot worse in that context.

9/26/129:47 AM

"We"-Ka-BongYou ungrateful biscuit eating son of a bitch

quote:
Originally posted by FLPACKER:
Know two officials personally. They want it all, want to keep it part time so they can keep their day job, don't want Goodell to add two more crews because it would mean they may lose a couple of games per year, want a pension although vast majority have pensions through their day job. Linesman with 3-5 years experience is making $80,000 per year for a part time job & they want more?

Who are you to complain that they want to keep what they have? This part of the argument baffles me. Sure, I would love to make deepchicago money, but who am I to begrudge him that he gets it?

as for the "part time job" meme that keeps coming up...

My Nephew works for a farmer power washing pig pens part time. He got the job because his uncle knows the farmer. He was trained to do the job in about an hour, and he does fine work as reported by the farmer.

I do part time work at the hospital. I have to attain a certain level of accreditation for my work, and I am evaluated frequently in order to demonstrate competence and have to do continuous learning through classes to continue to keep my part time job. Not many people have the training or the skills to do what I do, and getting this part time job is very competitive.

Should we both be compensated the same because for both of us it is a "part time job?"

9/26/1211:16 AM

HenryYou rang?

I can see some ass kickings in the future.

A billion dollar business where nothing is realistic as far as compensation compared to the real world and some piss ant decides to spew idiot talking points.

Welcome to the wood chipper.

9/26/1211:22 AM

MNPackmanMember

quote:
Originally posted by trump:
What I do not understand is if the NFL/Goodell was so adamant why didn't they just give their jobs(and thus make them submit to the changes) to the next best group of refs permanently?

I guess my question is How does a Lockout work? why wouldn't they just permanently dismiss them? I know it is not this simple.

They can't fire them because the owners locked them out. If the union went on strike, the could be fired, ala Reagan and the flight controllers union in the early '80s.

sufferinginmn, do you by chance live in the 6th district?

9/26/1212:09 PM

HenryYou rang?

Funny how they seemed to strike an agreement. Obviously a bunch of nobody fans in collective unison can't get schit done and there is nothing positive about their actions either.

9/26/1212:13 PM

SufferinginmnMember

quote:
Originally posted by CAPackFan95:
quote:
Originally posted by Sufferinginmn:
the striking NFL officials

It's not a strike it's a lockout. Might want to learn the difference instead of spewing nonsense talking points that some poof gave you.

quote:
The greedy NFL officials were reportedly offered 180K for a part-time job, but are holding out for a guaranteed pension.

The pension is what was in the current contract. The refs aren't "holding out" for a pension. They are trying to prevent something that they had being taken away. And the OWNERS ARE LOCKING THEM OUT in order to try and do that. Again - might want to you know, like depend on actual research vs what your teatard friends tell you douchebag.

Here's the example. I get it, it's hard to pull up that hot basket of fries when the dinger goes off, but your manager at the local Mickey D's has decided they are gonna take away money from you. And, I get to call you greedy if you aren't happy with that. OK?

quote:
I would think of all people Wisconsinites would be sick and tired of being held hostage by unions. Like usual "BIG" owners and management are the villians, while those who want someone else to guarantee their retirement are the poor, innocent, starving, little guys who are victims of ruthless overlords.

Brilliant. Talking point spewing nitwit.

$3.3M year to settle this. For a league that makes BILLIONS and BILLIONS a year.

A month ago Bud paid the NFL $1.2 Billions dollars to "be the official beer" of the NFL.

But, please, play the tiny violin from the owners being raped by these poor officials. Asshead.

quote:
Give me a break, I don't buy it--especially for a bunch of guys that we would give our arm and a leg to do it for $10 an hour and meal per diems

Ah yes, the argument of the truly retarded. DERP I'D DO IT FOR $10 an hour.

Of course you'd do it for $10/hour. It's like 33% more than you make in your current job.

Spoken like an entitled Government worker from a state about to be bankrupt. I can agree with you that I don't have ALL the facts straight as you so marvelously, and with great smugness pointed out. However, why are we supposed to feel so badly for the the current ref pool made up of lawyers, etc... who don't want any competition for their cushy pt jobs? I'll wait for your superior, ad hominium, typically liberal caricature of someone's opinion.

9/26/1212:18 PM