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How much mediocrity/substandard play does a fan have to endure before one loses hope that there will EVER be a solution?  It's painful to watch teams "re-build" in a 2-3 year process while the Buccaneers spiral downward consistently for a decade plus.  Even worse, a fan stops caring about the team because there are not players that one enjoys rooting for at a visceral level.  Take this and add drama worthy of "General Hospital" through the coaching ranks, the administration, and the ownership, and it's easy to see why the Bucs are once again the laughingstock of the league (with Jags). 

How can a team suck for eleven years in a row in the day and age of parity?  Sure, we made mostly horrible choices in the draft.  We never developed that franchise QB.  We forced the only solid Coach we had (in the last 11 years) out the door because he did not win a playoff game after 2002.  Instead, we put the team in the hands of inexperienced coaches who were in over their heads.  The ownership is quieter and more hidden than Pennsylvania Amish women in their villages. 

I am one of those guys who believes you have to have TALENT (extraordinary talent) to win consistently.  A Peyton Manning, a Lawrence Taylor, an Adrian Peterson...so speaking of AP, I can think back to three draft choices that we HAD to make and we did not pull the trigger on...

 

1. In 2005, we took CADILLAC WILLIAMS with the fifth pick in the draft... Not a bad pick, but we left AARON RODGERS on the table

2. In 2007, we drafted GAINES ADAMS with the fourth pick of the draft... left ADRIAN PETERSON (who I wanted) on the table. 

3. In 2010, we drafted GERALD MCCOY over DEZ BRYANT (who I wanted)

 

Imagine if Aaron Rodgers, AP, and Dez Bryant were drafted instead because they were clearly players in positions of need for us.  Aaaaugh!    With the exception of Rodgers (who I thought would not pan out), the other two were such no-brainers that even I posted here telling you who I wished for.  Clearly, we missed a window of opportunity there and so go the fortunes of the team...

 

Back in the Bucs heyday, there were players on the team that one cared about...players so excellent that you rooted so hard for them to win it all because they were deserving of it.  Nickerson, Brooks, Lynch, Alstott, Dunn, Barber, Sapp, Rice, Abraham, Kelly,...Today, despite some talent on the team, I don't have any player that I am so vested in emotionally for their excellence.  Whereas I anticipated every Bucs game and expected victory every Sunday prior to 2004, now I actually just watch in a catatonic state hoping we will at least be fun to watch.  It's a shame and it's embarrassing... I have not flown to Tampa for a game since 2004, and I have not seen a west coast game in four years.  The team has made me stop caring... it's almost like what happened to the Dodgers...When I stopped caring about any players on the Dodgers and Angels, I stopped watching baseball

altogether... (have not returned even with the Dodgers resurgence this year).  Am I headed down that path with the Bucs?  How do you handle a decade of losing games and losing interest in your team's players?  Losing is not what worries me, it's the lack of interest in any of the players on the team that worries me...No one on this team is a leader and lifting the others around them to excel...

Maybe we need Manziel to make this team watchable again...All I know is it is downright depressing right now...

 

 

 

 

 

 

Major Props To Javier Bardem and Ben Afleck...

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Schiano is a dick, that's your problem. The NFL figured that out a couple games into his rookie season. I don't remember Rutgers crying their eyes out when he left either. Jerome Bettis was right, Schiano has a Rich Brooks-esque stink to him and he will be out of the league long before Josh Freeman will. 

Real fans don't bail when their team sucks.  Many of us grew up with 20 years of fail.

 

I quit watching MLB and NBA because it's a freakin' joke not because the Brewers and Bucks blew balls.     

Step 1 is for the current players to use Shiano as a human mop in the trainers room and shower and hope a nice case of MRSA takes hold. Then again Manziel /Shiano would be too much to miss out on. Man that would be fun.

hang in there Calbuc. Another couple of years with them playing the way they have been, and fans staying away in droves, you won't have to travel to Tampa to see them. They will be shipped off to the west coast for you to see up close and personal. LA Piwates has a nice ring to it.

The Bucs have talented players, but it appears that they do not have a coach who is willing to work with the talent he possesses.  Getting rid of Chucky wasn't a bad move, but they haven't found anyone better since then.

Originally Posted by CALBuccaneer:

How much mediocrity/substandard play does a fan have to endure before one loses hope that there will EVER be a solution? 

 

 

Apparently, 11 Miserable Years...  and few if any here care.

 

CalBuccaneer--- As a long time Packer fan, I can understand where you are coming from!  Every year for, I think about 20 years, it was "The Pack will be back"!   And they never were.   I did NOT give up on them.  I watched every game and cussed every time they lost.  But I hung in there and eventually they did "come back".   Your Bucs will too.   Someday!   

No matter how bleak things got for the Packers in the late '80s, I always tried to look for some hope.  1986 was probably the low point.  James Lofton had 2 sex assault accusations lobbied against him, Mossy Cade actually DID rape his own Aunt, and on the field the Packers were a suckfest of humongous proportions. 

 

Yet even in '86 I tried to hang onto the bright spots.  Loved young Tim Harris as a pass rusher.  Liked the hard hitting safeties in Tiger Greene and Kenny Stills.  Kenny Davis seemed to have some potential as a runner (he would have some success on some very good Buffalo Bills' teams). 

 

If you love a team enough, you can always find some sort of bright spot.  Eventually picking high in the draft will pay off, but there is some luck involved and the top of your organization has to be run by good people as well or else your squad will continue to wallow in mediocrity until there is competent leadership.  The Pack learned that the hard way in the '70s and '80s, but fortunately learned their lesson from those trying years.

As bad as the Infante years were, and the Starr coaching years were, and the Bengston, and Dan Devine years, I think the worse I ever felt as a Packer fan were the Forest Gregg years. As great of a Offensive Linemen that he was, he was the worse head coach since the glory years. How he got the Bengals to the Super Bowl is anyones guess. Packers during the Gregg years were  worse than the Jim Schwartz era with the Lions. Lions do have talent while the Packers had very little. Constant Personal fouls, players suspended, head hunting thuggery at its best. But still I cheered them on. Blackest era of Packer football since Lombardi without a doubt.

11 years.  Cute.  I was born in 1970.  Let's examine the Packers record from the year of my birth to 1992, a span of 22 years - you know, double that of your "plight"

 

Playoff games: 3

Playoff wins: 1

Winning seasons: 5

Division titles: 1

 

3 years ago, your team was 10-6, with a young exciting QB and things were looking up, until idiot Schiano showed up.

6 and 8 years ago, your team won division titles and played in the NFL playoffs.  

In the last 8 years, your team has only one fewer playoff game than the Packers did in 22 years.

In the last 9 years - 4 winning seasons.

 

So, I won't apologize if your whining about the poor plight of your miserable 11 years falls on deaf ears.   It's been 3 whole years since a winning season! SO HARD FOR YOU!   Why, it's been a whole 11 years since a Super Bowl title!  BURN THE PLACE DOWN!  Only 2 playoff games in 9 years?  UTTER MISERY!

 

Don't even get me started on the effing Brewers and 43 years of winning nothing.   

 

You know nothing Jon Snow.  

As a CU Buff fan, I feel your pain.  I sold myself on the Dan Hawkins era.  I sold myself on the Jon Embree era.  And now I've sold myself on the Mike McIntyre era.  As fans, it's all we can do.  With the nature of college football, CU may never turn things around.  But at least the Bucs are an NFL team and no NFL team stays bad forever.  

Originally Posted by CUPackFan:

As a CU Buff fan, I feel your pain.

Better times ahead. A very good man (friend of Mrs. Blair Kiel's) is your new AD---Rick George. Born leader! Big job, but he's up to it.

Originally Posted by Green and Gold:

I have an aunt and uncle that were born and raised in Wisconsin that moved to Florida in their 50s and became Buc fans.


Once you go Buc..........

Originally Posted by CUPackFan:

As a CU Buff fan, I feel your pain.  I sold myself on the Dan Hawkins era.  I sold myself on the Jon Embree era.  And now I've sold myself on the Mike McIntyre era.  As fans, it's all we can do.  With the nature of college football, CU may never turn things around.  But at least the Bucs are an NFL team and no NFL team stays bad forever.  

 

As a NCState football fan I know mediocrity. Though we churn out nfl players pretty well for our lack of big time success (just in the 11 mentioned years: Torry Holt, Rivers, K-Rob,Cotchery Mario Williams to Russell WIlson,Hauschka and latest CalBuc's Mike Glennon to name a few) never translated to team success at the college level.

We were ranked #11 and beat up on a highly ranked Notre Dame squad on New Years day. I thought we were destined for greatness, but oh well.

Just like our '83 Jimmy Valvano basketball championship I think Calbuc team sold their soul to the devil in 02. Hopefully a Wolfpack QB on a Buccanneers team isnt a double whammy!

 

Originally Posted by CALBuccaneer:

Today, despite some talent on the team, I don't have any player that I am so vested in emotionally for their excellence. 

 

 

 

 

 


On this I call B S!!!     If they were winning your hero worship would be overwhelming on here.  Nobody likes losers so naturally you don't care about any of the current players.  A true fan backs their team no matter who the players are or what the team record is.  Suck it up and quit whining.  Here's a  , call someone who cares.

Originally Posted by CAPackFan95:

11 years.  Cute.  I was born in 1970.  Let's examine the Packers record from the year of my birth to 1992, a span of 22 years - you know, double that of your "plight"

 

Playoff games: 3

Playoff wins: 1

Winning seasons: 5

Division titles: 1

 

3 years ago, your team was 10-6, with a young exciting QB and things were looking up, until idiot Schiano showed up.

6 and 8 years ago, your team won division titles and played in the NFL playoffs.  

In the last 8 years, your team has only one fewer playoff game than the Packers did in 22 years.

In the last 9 years - 4 winning seasons.

 

So, I won't apologize if your whining about the poor plight of your miserable 11 years falls on deaf ears.   It's been 3 whole years since a winning season! SO HARD FOR YOU!   Why, it's been a whole 11 years since a Super Bowl title!  BURN THE PLACE DOWN!  Only 2 playoff games in 9 years?  UTTER MISERY!

 

Don't even get me started on the effing Brewers and 43 years of winning nothing.   

 

You know nothing Jon Snow.  

I was also born in 1970 and a fan ever since. Looking back......man it was tough to be a Packer fan growing up in northern Illinois!!

A pretty mixed bag of responses here...the haters will hate as usual, that is nothing new.  But, to the ones who think I am dumping the Bucs, ah... Not so fast.  While I am despondent about their outlook and the circus surrounding them this year, I have not given up my allegiance to the team.  I know that the Packers went through a 20 year dry spell and thats why I posted my feelings on here.  What did you fans do to keep your chin up those 20 years? 

As for the poster who wrote that if the Bucs were winning, "you would be indulging in hero worship and singing their praises".  If you humor me, there is ONE big difference between the good Bucs team and the BAD.  On the good Bucs team, there were likable hard workers with a personality that was ONE.  That team made me care about them probably because the defense was busting their rear in a superhuman fashion to sustain a winning record despite a pitiful offense and inept QB's like Dilfer, King, Rob Johnson, Chris Simms, etc... Then, we kept getting eliminated by you guys and Philly and the Rams in the playoffs and that hurdle made me hunger even more for the championship.  Finally, just as it seemed to be falling apart, one magical season let them complete their goal.  A defense that deserved a championship finally got it.  The JOURNEY (7 years in the making) was complete. 
Now, there is no journey.  We are the Chicago Cubs of the NFL again.  A joke... At least, YOU GUYS OWNED the team and could demand a GM or Coach of your choice.  We dont have that privilege.  All other teams' fans have NO SAY.  There is no journey because this team has no leadership from owner to GM to Coach to players.  They ruined Freeman.  He is at his best when he can play wide open and hurry up.  They would only let him play like that at the end of games where we were behind.  He led a lot of comebacks but many times it was too little too late.  Are there good players there?  Yeah, some... VJax, Doug Martin, Levonte David, Revis,... But, any successful team long term needs an exceptional QB.  How can they have been wrong 22 times?  Until you have one as the base of your franchise, forget it.  I am writing my true feelings THIS YEAR because the last of the guys I cared about (Ronde) retired and sadly, I find that I dont care about any player on the Bucs like I used to about the others.  Thats what is scary.  There is nothing compelling about them.  How do you let that happen?  If they keep a stiff like Schiano around, please draft Manziel.  That free spirit vs toes on the line Coach story would be real interesting.  At least Manziel would be worth watching even if he is as immature as any high profile QB coming out of college...EVER. 

Oh, PackLandVA, yep I am a real attention whore for starting 1 football thread ALL SEASON so far...
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