2013 TM93 WK16 Pittsburgh vs Green Bay Gameday Thread

MM was calling run plays.

MF chose the quick pass option instead, Just like Romo did last week on the Shield interception. MF did it at least 4 times that I counted, probably more,  including the pick 6 play.

So if the play had gone for a TD or at least a 1st down it was still a bad audible?  You would be cheering what a great call.

Mike McCarthy after the game:

I don't know what you can ask Matt Flynn to do at the end of the game. Couldn't have snapped ball sooner with the clock running and the umpire standing there.

Matt Flynn after the game:

Got the penalty (on the last drive), knew the clock was going to run, got everybody lined up, we should have been able to get 2 plays off. I don't know what happened. Operation seemed kind of weird. Ref was holding the center up. No thought to spike ball at the end. Should have gotten 2 plays off. ... Felt we snapped it as quick as we could (on the final play with 10 seconds left).

Pick 6 was run solution throw, was taking easy 1-on-1 matchup, I got to do a better job of where tight end has to fill, get out of the way. Wish I could take that one back.

At time of the fumble, it was 3rd down, I took off running, I knew I had to go for first down. My plan was to try to split those guys. I've got to protect the ball.

Any Lacy updates?

Run pass option is a problem for Flynn because he just lacks zip on the throws to the boundary.  If there is a run pass option for Flynn, it needs to be a downfield throw.

He was quoted as saying it was the same ankle just "flaring up". I hope he's right. They'll need him next week to have a shot.

Also this

MikeClemensNFL #PACKERS McCarthy says he is embarrassed. When he addressed team after game thought season over. Unaware Lions lost

I was gonna post something about that because Mastay said MM told the team they had "one week left" in his postgame talk.

I thought that was a polluted mindset to have.

Tyler Dunne "On the pick-six, the Packers had a run-pass option called. Tight end Andrew Quarless cut underneath Flynn, bumping into the quarterback. Flynn's throw down the line of scrimmage was then picked off by Cortez Allen and returned 40 yards for a score.

“It was a run with a pass option," Quarless said. "So it was just one of those things where it was a messed up play.”

Flynn said the Packers call it a "run solution throw," and the Steelers dropped a safety down to Green Bay's run side.

"So I was taking the easy one-on-one match-up to the receiver," Flynn said. "I've got to do a better job of understanding where my tight end has to fill, according to where his linebacker is, and get out of his way. I was coming up and he hit me on my left side, turned me and I pulled the ball out. It was one of those unfortunate plays, and I definitely wish I could take that one back."

 

Originally Posted by Tschmack:

Quarless ran into him?  Really?  Sound like Bill Schroeder running the wrong route BS when Favre was here.

Facts are a bitch when you are trying to maintain the narrative after being proven wrong.  Guess they don't teach what facts are at Fox Valley Technical College, huh?

Originally Posted by Tschmack:

Causing the interception.  That's rich

And, factual. 

Originally Posted by tsr86free:

Flynn had time to eat the ball after bumping Quarless, but he let her fly "gunslinger" style. 

How much time exactly.  Cuz watching this video, Quarless basically hits him exactly as he's throwing.

But, again,  narratives to maintain, scapegoats to blame, especially the backup QB that puts up 31 points.  

RTFB.

Flynn has to know Q is behind him in that formation.

He has to know Q is going to execute his run blocking duties because a run play was called. Notice the other 9 players on the team executing the running play?

Flynn is much more to blame than Q. If you choose to take the quick pass option on a running play and the lead blocker bumps into you...that is on you.

RTFB

30 rushes

39 passes

But, again, let's blame MM for being pass happy, right, since that's the narrative we need to maintain.

sure about that?

Too many 1st down passes IMO.

To start the second half, MF went 2 for 11 passing with a pick 6 and a sack.

During that same time period the running game had runs of 7 yards, 4 yards, 9 yards, 3 yards, 3 yards, -2 yards and then 2 yards for the second Lacy TD.

The pick six was on 1st down and should have been a run also. And the stats suggest it would have gained a few yards.

The funny part is whoever wins next week between us and the Bores gets a home game against a warm-weather team, most likely either SF or NO. Which means, there's a chance in the cold weather to advance. 

why does the clock run on a dead ball penalty, that makes no sense.   I get the 10 second run off, but then to win the clock once the ball is set under 2 min, doesnt make sense, to me.  

If a penalty is called while the clock is running, the clock starts again when the ref makes the ball ready for play after enforcing the penalty.

You just blew my mind!

Let's do this!

54-11! And some posters on this board think the Packers laid down today. You are watching one of the biggest choke jobs ever tonight.  

I say we spread the field next week and dare the Bores to stop the run. 

....and at the end of the day, it just didn't matter if the Packers won or lost today.  Go figure.

What a division.

You've got a Bears defense that makes the Packers defense look problem-free. You've got a Lions offense that makes 5x the bonehead plays GB made today despite having more talent and health. Then you have the Vikings.

As if this isn't challenging enough for Green Bay, though, now you're looking at a strong possibility of #52 being out next week, with Neal and Perry hurting. You also may be without Lacy. And of course, get ready for another roller coaster week with #12.

Hope Rodgers and Lacy can play…and that Lattimore and Richardson stay in the starting lineup. Also hope Bears stick with Cutler...

Understood, but still seems wierd that the clock would wind after the 10 second run off. Realizing that the only time a ten second run off happens for 2 min after the end of the game.  Point being the Offense is penalized yardage and time for a foul + any extra time it takes the ref to spot the ball.  That timing rule doesn't happen any other time during the game.   

Isn't that weird? It just didn't matter & both the Bears & Packers still control their own destiny

Friggin Lions. Everything goes their way today and they still can't win. What are the chances Schwantz is their coach next year?

Maybe it all happened so quickly that I need to watch again, but that entire sequence baffled me. The referee did, if i recall correctly, announce that 10 second runoff would include him winding clock on his say-so....but I'm not sure...if we go by the game clock, how winding at 10 seconds ended up with a snap of the ball at 3 seconds left. Was it Flynn taking too much time? The umpire seemed awfully close to Flynn and backing away as the clock ran...had the Pack had only time for one shot at a score, and failed to do so....fine. It just seemed like something was amiss and I'm not so quick to put it on the qb entirely.

Unfortunately zero. 

I think the ref ran up to Flynn to tell him the clock was running.  The issue per the players was that the ref over  the ball was holding up the snap.

The part about the false start on the last drive that irked me is that the one official didn't get away from the ball/Center quick enough once they whistled the clock to start.  Seems like Flynn had to wait an extra couple of seconds before he could snap the ball.  To me, the ref/back judge/whatever screwed up the synch of the play.

Oh, and Jordy had a TD if Flynn through it anywhere near the middle of the end zone.

Per JSO, the ref told the ump to hold up the snap of the ball until the clock started, and EDS said the ump was slow getting away from the ball.  On the throw to the end zone, flynn made up his mind to throw to Boykin right from the start, he never even looked at Nelson who was wide open right in front of him.

Think MF should have clocked the ball then.  At least they'd have some time to run a set play.

didn't really matter at that point.   when they finally did snap the ball there was only 4 seconds on the clock.  the play was there for a TD, Flynn failed to execute it.

I guess what I think by clocking it, they would have been able to NOT rush a play>  They would've had a full play clock to call and run a play.  Seemed like Flynn rushed, locked on JB and fired a bad pass.

Reminds me of the last play of the game against New England in 2010 where Flynn botched the last play as time expired.  He was a youngin' back then.

It's a moot point, but I don't get Flynn's explanation. Sure looked like he was reading the defense and calling out protections. Didn't look like he was at all concerned about the running clock. I think the ref noticed the same thing and actually took a step or two in to tell him the clock is running.

Maybe Flynn knew what he was doing all along and was just resigned to that being the last play of the game. But it sure seemed if they went a little faster, let alone spiked the ball, they would have had two cracks at it instead of one.

Bears lost- good. None of this other schit matters if the Pack wins on Sunday.