Defense has some great parts...but as long as The Double L's are a serious part of the DL rotation, we have a problem.
We also need some ILB depth/speed. Beyond Barnes and Martin (who is historically injured a lot), we have a whole lotta ass at the position.
@TouchdownWhitewaterJesus posted:Good pick! We’re gonna need him to cover Justin Jefferson for the next ten years! Way better than the Viqueens trading down and getting an offensive tackle.
Easy there Jaymo. Chill the eff out. Bring the Sarge personality in for this account.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/04...l-hiding-plain-sight
This article (from 4/23) mentions him SHUTTING DOWN Jefferson, Jeudy & Davanta Smith. He has what you cannot teach -- 4.25 speed.
Iverson (Track coach) said that....."he has never seen Eric slip below the timed equivalent of a 4.3 second 40-yard dash. At Georgia’s pro day this year, he ran a 4.25."
According to Pro Football Focus' premium college stats, over three years when matched up against a horde of first-round picks from Alabama and LSU (Justin Jefferson, Ja'Marr Chase, Clyde Edwards-Helaire, Devonta Smith, Henry Ruggs and Jaylen Waddle) Stokes allowed a total of seven catches on 11 targets for two touchdowns. The longest completion against any of those players was 23 yards.
Good pick by Gart & crew
I think there’s a strong chance GB moves up to get a Christian Barmore or Creed Humphrey or Sam Cosmi or maybe even a Elijah Moore. Seems like something Gute would be prepared to do.
@ammo posted:Who cares about run defense. It's a passing league.
If he has any pride at all he will see what JA does and his game will improve. Who wants to sit in a room full of peers, besides KK, and be viewed as the big pussy?
Love the pick. He’s faced the best of the best in thenSEC and performed well. Gute has a good record with DB’s as well. 2 out of 3 with high round picks so far. I’m guessing Stokes makes it 3 out of 4.
@Boris posted:Easy there Jaymo. Chill the eff out. Bring the Sarge personality in for this account.
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@Packiderm posted:
Re: Rodgers wants out
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I bet he smokes doobies.2 pages of Viking fan giddy-ness. Pedmo with a couple of Gems too! Enjoy another 7-9 season you purple pussies!
Pedmo has a fascination with male genitalia!
@Boris posted:Easy there Jaymo. Chill the eff out. Bring the Sarge personality in for this account.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/04...l-hiding-plain-sight
This article (from 4/23) mentions him SHUTTING DOWN Jefferson, Jeudy & Davanta Smith. He has what you cannot teach -- 4.25 speed.
Iverson (Track coach) said that....."he has never seen Eric slip below the timed equivalent of a 4.3 second 40-yard dash. At Georgia’s pro day this year, he ran a 4.25."
According to Pro Football Focus' premium college stats, over three years when matched up against a horde of first-round picks from Alabama and LSU (Justin Jefferson, Ja'Marr Chase, Clyde Edwards-Helaire, Devonta Smith, Henry Ruggs and Jaylen Waddle) Stokes allowed a total of seven catches on 11 targets for two touchdowns. The longest completion against any of those players was 23 yards.
Good pick by Gart & crew
Are we excited about a 70% completion rate when going against the best of the best?
Projected 3rd round pick taken in the first.
Yipee!!!
If you're going to draft a CB, may as well draft one from the SEC. He's going against the best of the best in college - Jefferson, Waddle, Smith, Jeudy, Chase, and Ruggs.
This pick is being ripped in the mainstream media b/c Stokes was considered a late 2nd/early 3rd round pick. What I don't get - how does a 6' 195 lb corner who runs 4.2 and played very well in the SEC being considered a late 2nd/early 3rd round pick? Can't be his run defense so i must be missing something.
@TouchdownWhitewaterJesus posted:Are we excited about a 70% completion rate when going against the best of the best?
Projected 3rd round pick taken in the first.
Yipee!!!
Haha yeah just gloss over the fact that over 3 full games against the best WRs and QBs in college football, he allowed just 7 catches. 2.3 catches per game. Yeah I'll take that.
@Chongo posted:Defense has some great parts...but as long as The Double L's are a serious part of the DL rotation, we have a problem.
We also need some ILB depth/speed. Beyond Barnes and Martin (who is historically injured a lot), we have a whole lotta ass at the position.
I would agree. Lancasater shouldn't even be on the roster IMO and Lowry is a below average rotational guy....
I would like to see them now draft: DT, OT, WR, ILB
@TouchdownWhitewaterJesus posted:Good pick! We’re gonna need him to cover Justin Jefferson for the next ten years! Way better than the Viqueens trading down and getting an offensive tackle.
Not even a lame troll effort.
Other analysis indicate that Stokes is a decent run defender---and this player bio insiuates that his ints were 'right place right time'- lucky plays..but the highlight reel shows three picks, all a result of excellent defense.
I was not happy about this selection, but after seeing the reel and seeing his speed numbers, I get it.
He'll definitely be a villain if he starts wailing about wanting to be traded.
Considering this defense supposedly uses a slot CB often I really think they get another CB. As stated previously, Stokes is likely King's replacement and King isn't exactly a run stuffing machine either with his high tackle attempts.
I would be pretty amazed if they thought Sullivan was the answer after watching him get torched in the playoffs. My guess is depth at CB will be one of the priorities.
As we have seen before you can never have enough DBs and corners. I’m not sold on Sullivan and for a team that runs nickel and dime you need several good corners to be effective.
@DH13 posted:They need a slot and he'll probably see playing time there first. KK can't handle the kind of athletes you see there so he'll probably stay on the other boundary until Stokes is ready or they find a good slot to keep there, kicking Stokes outside.
Highly doubtful as the knock on Stokes is that he’s stiff (laterally). His speed is more straight-line.
I was happy about this pick. I think that he has great upside. Some are referring to boards that have him ranked lower than the actual pick. Much of the reasons were because they thought he was a track star playing football. I agree with those who thought he was a football player who also ran track. There is no doubt that he needs work because he is relatively new to the position. He looked a tad grabby in some of the clips I saw but not as bad as Jackson. I don’t see him as a slot CB but that’s just me. In HS they wanted him to stay running 400 meters but he blew them away at 100 meters, so I understand the reasons for those who see him at slot. But he takes pride in defending the long ball and not letting anyone get behind him when covering WR’s. The NFL is trending towards WR’s with speed, so having a CB like Stokes is imperative.
Yeah I've read he's strictly an outside CB. Here is the write up from The Draft Network.
If Sam Shields can help the Packers win a SB as an undrafted rookie starting, this kid can help this team this year, too.
@CUPackFan posted:If you're going to draft a CB, may as well draft one from the SEC. He's going against the best of the best in college - Jefferson, Waddle, Smith, Jeudy, Chase, and Ruggs.
This pick is being ripped in the mainstream media b/c Stokes was considered a late 2nd/early 3rd round pick. What I don't get - how does a 6' 195 lb corner who runs 4.2 and played very well in the SEC being considered a late 2nd/early 3rd round pick? Can't be his run defense so i must be missing something.
Probably the relatively short period of time he's been playing football. Hell, I'd rather have the guy that hasn't been playing for long but can actually play while continuing to improve than the guy that's been playing since 6th grade and peaked as a college freshman.
@Henry posted:If Sackus and Jaymo are banned then ban them or stop with the charade.
Ahem....Nailed it
My Final 2021 NFL Mock Draft:https://t.co/WmjOOdT6c7
— Evan Silva (@evansilva) April 29, 2021
29) Packers – Georgia CB Eric Stokes – Speedy cover man upgrades spot opposite Jaire Alexander.
Andy Herman did a deep dive on Stokes. Watched every snap of his last 11 games at Georgia. His report:
1. Obviously his superpower is his speed. He’s a legit 4.25 40 guy who plays football fast. He referenced a pick 6 where he made a couple guys miss and started up the sideline without a lot of room. Said it looked like he teleported from the 30 to the EZ untouched.
2. His speed actually works against him. He plays so fast it screws up his balance. His footwork goes to crap because he’s playing too fast. Every coach since HS has tried to tell him to SLOW DOWN. Andy feels the biggest challenge of coaching this kid up is to get him to dial it back a notch. That he’s got makeup speed in spades.
3. As a tackler he’s very good. His missed tackle % is around 5%. Which is fantastic. He’s just not an active tackler. He’ll stick to blocks a little to long and he’s going to need to work on it.
4. He only played 75 snaps in the 11 games he watched from the slot. But he never looked out of place or uncomfortable there. In the slot he’s an absolute terror as a blitzer. He gets from A to B in a flash. It’s an accurate description.
The last point is interesting. If King gets a fire under his ass with a 1 year deal (and stays healthy) and Stokes is the slot guy that’s an incredible secondary with options. Of course you’re relying on King. Which is why Stokes was the 1st pick.
If King would use his brain then he could be an elite corner. He has ball skills, he has size and speed, he just hesitated too often and is a step behind. Maybe he’s using his brain too much and should just play. But yeah if he has a fire then our secondary is elite. If Stokes can’t handle the slot then move Jaire down and let Stokes/King handle the outside.
@ChilliJon posted:
The last point is interesting. If King gets a fire under his ass with a 1 year deal (and stays healthy) and Stokes is the slot guy that’s an incredible secondary with options. Of course you’re relying on King. Which is why Stokes was the 1st pick.
Or if the get Surtain II to play the outside they could be absolutely loaded in the secondary.. Legion of Boom loaded. 3 first round CB's with Amos and Savage.
If Surtain is starting outside for GB in 2021. Get used to 18-12 losses. There's gonna be a lot of them.
Why in the fuck would anybody give a thumbs down to that picture? 
@Henry posted:You mean the future where the FO will be building for the future.
I'm sure Alexander will be some kind of villain come contract time, especially if the team starts to take a shit without the unimportant HOF QB.
Chonk has to invent nonsense to justify his hatred for Gutey..he must live rent free in your head.
Oh look, Super Homer is back.
Is it possible, just once, that you clowns could make up your own material?
Fifth best player in the draft?
@ChilliJon posted:If Surtain is starting outside for GB in 2021. Get used to 18-12 losses. There's gonna be a lot of them.
I agree. I don't want to find out (which would mean trading AR), but it would be very interesting to see if Aaron Jones became "just another guy" without Rodgers. If he was still a game-breaking type back, they might still be OK on offense. My guess is that he becomes more of just a good back with normal QB rather than an Alvin Kamara type.
@YATittle posted:Fifth best player in the draft?
So Horn and Surtain are "Can't miss" but Stokes has the best chance at a Pro Bowl? That's some Kiper-level hedging.
@Herschel posted:So Horn and Surtain are "Can't miss" but Stokes has the best chance at a Pro Bowl? That's some Kiper-level hedging.
It’s just more desire to quantify everything possible to do with NFL players as a way of predicting future success. Unfortunately there’s so much that rides on intangibles that this, like PFF, just adds up to a data point. Stokes was a good pick because you use a premium pick on a premium athlete and trust that 1) your scouts nailed the the has they football IQ and personal attributes to match his gift and 2) your development program can shore up any weaknesses. I see this pick much in the same way as Kenny Clark…same kind of underrated rare/elite athlete that in 2/3 years will be a top guy in the league.
Best part of the article is Gutey’s comment: “He’s a quality human being who is really driven. He’s overcome a lot of adversity in his young life.”
