Time for a beer and bed..on to next week.
I bet the Giants tonight 🖕🏼😁🖕🏼 you effing losers
@NedFlanders posted:This is on MLF for that moronic jet sweep for the 2-point try,
Along with many other MLF type things.
@lambeausouth posted:There is no accountability on this team. The status quo is never threatened.
Bingo!
@Harry Manback posted:If that was the only thing, that wouldn't be too bad. The guy just can't coach games when they mean the most.
He panicked because his QB forgot how to throw a football for three quarters tonight.
Get back to the noon games with Idi Amin and Screthleck on The call
MLF, if you had balls, you'd tell JL he's not AR and that he needs to work on his footwork. Good footwork leads to better accuracy. I'd also start giving Clifford just a little more practice time with the starters to make a point.
Let's see now....
Before tonight's game:
Giants ranked #32 offense.
#32 passing (151.6 ypg at a 82.4 rating PLUS giving up nearly 7 sacks per game), # 23 rushing (107.1 ypg), #31 scoring (13.3 ppg).
How in the holy hell can you lose to that ???
Prophetic
This just happened on MNF pic.twitter.com/9t9HHat4AB
— Dusty and about to retire • Rob HaZe (@robhaze) December 12, 2023
Very winnable games. That's what they said. 8-9. Book it. Lose all remaining road games and win at home.
@packerboi posted:209 yards hemorrhaged by Barry’s D. Rinse. Repeat.
How many years has this Packers run defense just been just abused? We spend high draft pick after high draft pick on defense, and it never seems to get any better.
Everyone on X4 knew what was going to happen on the last drive, and it was just painful to watch, not unlike watching Jimmy Garoppolo stand behind his offensive handing the ball to Raheem Mostert over and over again. Another God damn backup that reamed us.
@Timmy! posted:Let's see now....
Before tonight's game:
Giants ranked #32 offense.
#32 passing (151.6 ypg at a 82.4 rating PLUS giving up nearly 7 sacks per game), # 23 rushing (107.1 ypg), #31 scoring (13.3 ppg).
How in the holy hell can you lose to that ???
MLF will CHOK.
This goes back decades. MS, then MM and now MLF.
MLF in the locker room after the game:
You guys just have to try a little harder, mmmk?
@lovepack posted:This goes back decades. MS, then MM and now MLF.
Instead of an owner there is a board of directors, who are conservative by nature, that don't want to rock the boat at Lambeau Country Club. The front office is more than happy earning large salaries from their dream jobs. Being competitive and profitable is their definition of success.
@antiworst posted:Not just that. He loves to play the genius and "outsmart" the other team, ntm him hiring and keeping that piece of shit DC.
On some level, I think MLF yearns to be counted among offensive geniuses like Bill Walsh, Joe Gibbs and Sean McVay. Is it coincidence that the best game he’s called all year…by far…came against offensive guru Andy Reid?
Know what else makes coaches legendary, Matt? Winning Super Bowls.
I was a huge 49ers fan when Walsh was in San Francisco. I’m a big Notre Dame fan. and Joe Montana was my guy.
I was much younger, but I never got the impression Bill Walsh called plays to impress people with his football acumen. The Niners won a lot because they had talent, yes, but also because they were a well-coached, disciplined team.
Joe Montana was so fucking cool under pressure, he’s pointing out John Candy in the huddle on the last drive of the Super Bowl.,
When the pressure is on, Matt LaFleur and Joe Barry soil themselves.
@Harry Manback posted:MLF, if you had balls, you'd tell JL he's not AR and that he needs to work on his footwork. Good footwork leads to better accuracy. I'd also start giving Clifford just a little more practice time with the starters to make a point.
Mike Wahle has also mentioned a few times it appears the OL isn't being coached either to improve their lousy footwork
@titmfatied posted:
Thank you titmfatied. That was my first look at any game footage tonight.
Love’s accuracy continues to be an issue. He just had to keep working, and hopefully more experience will help him to iron this out.
@titmfatied posted:
Bad footwork will kill QBs unless they have a Favreian-like arm.
Learn from the tape my ass. I'll learn not to let you ruin any more of my Christmas season by watching or hoping.
It’s just so on brand for this team to beat two good teams in a row and get some positive momentum only to see Barry and MLF fuck things up against a horrible Giants team and lose.
Allowing 200 yards on the ground is inexcusable. A whole lot of dumb play calling on both sides of the ball and way too many mistakes. That’s how you lose to a bad football team.
Just when you think this team has turned the corner and they lay a massive egg once again on national TV.
We could still finish last in the division. That wk18 game vs CHI could decide.
@Goalline posted:The Packers Total Access guys were defending our idiotic DC because he knows so much more than any of us about football. Idiots, he’s not coaching against us.
I would argue the fact he's been around football for decades and still makes decisions that are terrible is the problem. I'm sure he can explain inside leverage and outside leverage to DBs and explain stunts and zone blitzes with the best of them. The problem is his ultraconservative nature no matter who he is playing. I understand not zero blitzing Patrick Mahomes. He'll recognize the mismatch and get the ball out. Make DeVitto make the correct read under pressure. Don't let him sit back there with 4-5 seconds to process the coverage every time.
Tommy DeVitto had been sacked more than any QB since he became a starter. He is very inexperienced and hasn't had a lot of live game reps. The Giants have no deep threat at WR and I couldn't even tell you their TEs name after the game. Barry almost always rushed 4 and sat in a soft zone coverage. DeVitto was under almost no pressure all night and would either sit back and deliver a pass from a clean pocket or, if the rush got close, run up the middle for a positive gain every time. If you were going to design a defense to make DeVitto as comfortable as possible this was it. There didn't appear to be any blitzes at all. How about changing things up and doing a corner blitz or a safety blitz?
Barry's philosophy seems to be that the defense needs to do just enough to keep the game close enough so the offense can win it. Occasionally, his DL will win an individual matchup with a 4 man pass rush and get off the field on third down. If they don't, the offense typically converts. He has a 100 million dollar pass rusher. Gary was invisible last night, but did Barry move him around the line at all? Did he call any stunts to make the Giants OL switch him off between lineman? Maybe I missed it, but I don't think so. It's just line up and try to beat the guy in front of you over and over.
@lovepack posted:Learn from the tape my ass. I'll learn not to let you ruin any more of my Christmas season by watching or hoping.
When they lose, they lose the same way. Barry plays a defense that is designed to allow 5-10 yard gains at the end of the game to make the offense execute for at least 5-6 plays and hopes that the offense makes a mistake. Most offenses don't miss those easy throws. He rarely gambles with a blitz and plays passively.
Earlier in the year, they should have lost to the Saints in the same way, but the Saints FG kicker missed the game winning FG.
They aren't going to learn from the tape. The tape shows exactly what their philosophy is, and they are clearly comfortable with it.
@MichiganPacker posted:When they lose, they lose the same way. Barry plays a defense that is designed to allow 5-10 yard gains at the end of the game to make the offense execute for at least 5-6 plays and hopes that the offense makes a mistake. Most offenses don't miss those easy throws. He rarely gambles with a blitz and plays passively.
Earlier in the year, they should have lost to the Saints in the same way, but the Saints FG kicker missed the game winning FG.
They aren't going to learn from the tape. The tape shows exactly what their philosophy is, and they are clearly comfortable with it.
Exactly. It’s who he is. He is a passive coward. His philosophy not only hinders the team, it creates a soft mentality.
On a personal level, it’s the worst kind of defense to watch as well. Give me some violence and aggression. Im here to watch a battle, not who is going to blink first competition.
@Fedya posted:One could learn that trusting Joe Barry's defense just doesn't work.
Sadly, MLF is not the one learning that lesson.
More than likely, somewhere down the road, MLF and Barry will end up working together on someone else's staff. It's not like either one is incompetent. It's just they are probably one level too high in the coaching chain. MLF is a good offensive coordinator and can develop QBs. It's just he has often failed in big moments and the lack of confidence in those moments rubs off on the whole team. He really reminds me of Norv Turner. Turner was a very good offensive mind who kept getting chances at being a head coach because he was such a good coordinator. And his strengths as an offensive coordinator made the teams he was he head coach of just good enough to be playoff contenders, but he just lacked the gravitas and didn't command the respect of the team enough to get over the hump as a head coach.
Joe Barry is probably fine working with defensive players on techniques and practice reps. He has been a LBs coach on several successful teams and he keeps getting DC positions because of that. The problem is that he's underachieved with what look like talented rosters because his overall philosophy is less "go make a play and dictate what we want to do" and more "let's minimize our mistakes and wait for the offense to screw up." It's a position coaches mentality (unless you are Kevin Greene).
