Never been a creed fan.
Would you say that with one last breath, or with your arms wide open?
@Goalline posted:Myers sucked even with Jenkins lined up next to him. We need to rebuild the middle of the OL.
We need to rebuild it all. EJ is the only starter worth keeping, but with his injuries piling up, I'm getting a bit nervous he's moving into the territory of injury prone. Tom shows some promise, but his only position is tackle, and right tackle at that. He's too small, IMO, to be a center that can anchor in and move DT's. The rest is just hot garbage.
It might be worth seeing what we can get for EJ after the season is over. If he can escape relatively injury free, keep him. If not, trade him.
@packerboi posted:Newman needs to be demoted to 3rd string.
And interior OL positions and depending where GB picks in the draft, LT may be a priority as well in the 2024 draft.
Newman needs to be kicked off the team. In terms of the draft, using first round picks on O linemen is never sexy, but they pan out a lot more often than other positions chosen in the first round. I suggest we use the first three picks on OL and RB.
This team is a mess on so many levels.
I like Elgton Jenkins. He’s a good football player. But it’s time we start recognizing that he’s not playing anywhere near the level many believe he is. GB needs him to be the rock on the OL & their most consistent player. Plays like this & the devastating holding penalty at the… pic.twitter.com/R0VOtkXkep
— Andy Herman (@AndyHermanNFL) October 23, 2023
Jenkins got the lowest PFF grade on the line this week. That sats a lot considering Myers was on that line.
The OL is sucking so bad it's pulling Jenkins down the drain with it. He was lights out up to his last injury. All over the line.
@packerboi posted:This team is a mess on so many levels.
I like Elgton Jenkins. He’s a good football player. But it’s time we start recognizing that he’s not playing anywhere near the level many believe he is. GB needs him to be the rock on the OL & their most consistent player. Plays like this & the devastating holding penalty at the… pic.twitter.com/R0VOtkXkep
— Andy Herman (@AndyHermanNFL) October 23, 2023
That looks like a line fuck up, though I think it's Myers. It looks like Jenkins is rubbing the DT, expecting Myers to come from the side and clear the cutback lane while Jenkins releases and blocks the linebacker, but Myers basically goes upfield after the linebacker while Runyan comes at the NT from the side, as well. It makes more sense that it was a Myers screw up when using the lens of the Shanahan running scheme
Yup, Meyers with a 1/4 assed reach block.
This is just frightening. If this is the dude putting together and assessing the offense and the OL, than MLF has no idea who to hire as his coordinators.
Adam Stenavich asked about moving Zach Tom to center: "Josh Myers is playing the best he's played in his career. I think he's playing very well. So I don't think right now that's the right move for us, because I think he's one of our best five players."
— Ryan Wood (@ByRyanWood) October 26, 2023
Adam Stenavich seemed to not understand the line of questioning and then caught off guard over the suggestion of moving Zach Tom to center, then doubled down saying Josh Myers is playing very well and the best football of his career.
— Ken Ingalls - Packers Cap 💰 (@KenIngalls) October 26, 2023
Most outside evaluations highly disagree.
OL grades by szn
— Andy Herman (@AndyHermanNFL) October 24, 2023
Jenkins
2019: +3.80
2020: +8.95
2021: +2.65
2022: -0.45
2023: -1.20
JRJ
2020: +0.75
2021: +3.65
2022: -2.15
2023: -3.55
Myers
2021: +0.10
2022: -4.15
2023: -2.10 (trending worse than 2022)
Newman
2021: -4.95
2022: -5.80
2023: -2.10 (trending worse than 2022)
Myers probably is one of their best 5, and that's kind of frightening.
Well, Steno and Butkus are a big part of the issues with this like. These are the guys who chose Jake Hanson last year over Zach Tom. They were the only ones on this blue earth that thought it was a good move.
Only thing scarier during this Halloween season of Steno believing Myers is having his best year, is if Gute believes the same.
Of that’s the case, we have a big fuckin’ problem.
At this moment in time, Myers is closer to being a warm body than, say, an elite NFL Center. Yeah, he can play C, he just might not be able to do it well.
Alas, moving him would require another OL shuffle, but, at this point, Stenavich needs to give it serious consideration.
What they are doing now sure ain't cuttin' it.
And who can they realistically play other than Yosh?
OL discussion with Wahle begins about 9:10.
Why the hell would the 2-4 Packers be buyers at the trade deadline?
@Herschel posted:Myers probably is one of their best 5, and that's kind of frightening.
I think both Tom and Jenkins are better at C, than Myers is. Put Tom at C and bring Yosh off the bench to play RT. Then we'd have our best 5 on the OL, IMO. Let Myers and Newman hold hands on the bench, for a while. Looks like we'll be drafting OL, next draft. Safety, too, unless there are FAs we like, at those position groups... I'm forgetting about Rhyan and Caleb Jones, here. Where do they fit into the scheme of things? How about Kadeem Telfort? Is he still on the PS?
@michiganjoe posted:OL discussion with Wahle begins about 9:10.
So in short, their fundamentals suck and they aren't being coached well. Ooof.
isn't pff saying that myers is a beauty pass blocker but not so good at the run?
the only way we know is to know who should have been doing what, in many cases all these guys are speculating...and it looks bad mind you, but it may be that he in fact 'is doing everything he should be' and its someone else's error. Our problem as fans is we see the 'death by 1000 cuts' and we just get fed up with it, so myers is the problem, steno is the problem, joe blow is the problem.
@packerboi posted:This team is a mess on so many levels.
I like Elgton Jenkins. He’s a good football player. But it’s time we start recognizing that he’s not playing anywhere near the level many believe he is. GB needs him to be the rock on the OL & their most consistent player. Plays like this & the devastating holding penalty at the… pic.twitter.com/R0VOtkXkep
— Andy Herman (@AndyHermanNFL) October 23, 2023
That has to be one of the biggest non-effort, whiffiest blocks I've ever seen...quite surprising, actually. I expect more from Jenkins. Maybe it's the play call and not everyone is on the same page, or lack of execution, but that sure looks like a whiff to me.
@packerboi posted:So in short, their fundamentals suck and they aren't being coached well. Ooof.
And, according to Wahle, it's not a talent deficiency, which appears to be a predominant opinion here.
Should the Packers make a trade for a rental? Absolutely not.
Should the Packers only be sellers? Absolutely not.
If there's a player(s) another team has on the block, and that player fits into the Packers plans for the next several seasons and the price is right, there's no reason they can't/shouldn't be buyers.
@Packmeister posted:That has to be one of the biggest non-effort, whiffiest blocks I've ever seen...quite surprising, actually. I expect more from Jenkins. Maybe it's the play call and not everyone is on the same page, or lack of execution, but that sure looks like a whiff to me.
Again, without knowing the call for certain, this may be on Myers.
Remember the Shanahan/zone running scheme. It does a couple of things.
It uses lateral flow that helps alleviate a stronger defensive front manhandling offensive linemen and looks to open one-cut cutback lanes. With a struggling line and the type of runner Wilson is, this is a sensible call.
Using that hypothesis, here's what would be run:
Wallace kicks out, Myers blocks the DT, Runyan blocks the NT, Jenkins rubs the DT to help Myers then releases to the linebacker.
Blocking like that, and it appears Jenkins is looking for the linebacker and with a backside defender coming downthere's your running lane. Wilson would be in the second level and just have to read Jenkins' block on the linebacker, just like the bag drill teaches in practice.
Jenkins looks like he releases the DT only to see Myers upfield instead of blocking out and just goes "WTF, Josh?!?!"
It's also possibe Jenkins tried to block it incorrectly and the "WYF?!?!" was for himself, but ascribing a lack of effort seems off for Jenkins.
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Not saying you're wrong, Herschel, but that blocking scheme seems to be AFU.
If Myers doesn't have a defender in front of him, he has a direct path to the LB.
Jenkins' man is directly in front of him, so I would think that defender should be his responsibility. Engage and turn him to his left.
If I were to assume Myers did have responsibility for the DT and he makes that block, it looks like Jenkins still has to navigate his way around it, delaying the time it takes to reach the LB.
Again, the way you explained it makes sense, especially within the zone-blocking scheme, but that play looks overly complicated to block it that way.
And there may have been a read error by either of them. Rodgers called most of the blocking assignments from the QB spot, so there may even have been a mis-call. All make more sense than Jenkins being lazy.
@Timmy! posted:Not saying you're wrong, Herschel, but that blocking scheme seems to be AFU.
If Myers doesn't have a defender in front of him, he has a direct path to the LB.
Jenkins' man is directly in front of him, so I would think that defender should be his responsibility. Engage and turn him to his left.
If I were to assume Myers did have responsibility for the DT and he makes that block, it looks like Jenkins still has to navigate his way around it, delaying the time it takes to reach the LB.
Again, the way you explained it makes sense, especially within the zone-blocking scheme, but that play looks overly complicated to block it that way.
It’s a combo block and it’s very common. Job 1 is ensure the DL can’t disrupt the play then get to the 2nd level to influence the LB. He totally abandoned Jenkins and that’s why Jenkins isn’t attempting to stop his man from crossing his face to that side, he expects Meyers to be there.