Pikes Peak posted:Who is/are the Brewers Mt Rushmore?
Yount, Molly and...
ummm ahhh errr... Gantner?
To me the other would be Bob Uecker. Pretty bad when you can't think of players and you have to pick an announcer.
Gumby does not make the finals but should be in the conversation.....a fine player for many years and a critical component in the best years of the team.
George Scott probably should get some consideration. He played 5 years for the Brewers and was by far their best player in the early 1970s. During those 5 years he played almost every game and his average season was about .283 BA, 25 HR, and 95 RBI. He also won a gold glove at 1B every year he played in Milwaukee.
As terrible as the history of pitching in Milwaukee has been, the fielding is maybe worse. The Brewers have won only 10 gold gloves in 50 years and Scott has half of them. Yount (1), Gomez (1), Lezcano (1), and Cooper (2) are the others. 1 Gold Glove winner since 1982.
Zach Greinke I suppose- his career has been great, despite only being in Milwaukee 2 years. Cal Eldred start off pretty well, but injuries got the best of him.
But I agree that Mike Caldwell is a very underappreciated pitcher. That grimy, nasty, pigpen hat with the scruffy stubbly beard... he embodied those teams of my childhood. Grimy working class looking dude.
Anyone remember the Brewer's first major free agent acquisition? Larry Hisle.
Shortly after he suffered a career ending injury.
http://mlb.mlb.com/content/pri...2/m06/d12/c51295.jsp
In April 1979, Hisle tore his rotator cuff making a throw and played just 79 games in four more seasons. He went into coaching after his career ended, a stint that concluded with a few seasons as the Brewers' minor league hitting coach in the late 1990s.
Is this team snakebit?
Music City posted:Zach Greinke I suppose- his career has been great, despite only being in Milwaukee 2 years. Cal Eldred start off pretty well, but injuries got the best of him.
But I agree that Mike Caldwell is a very underappreciated pitcher. That grimy, nasty, pigpen hat with the scruffy stubbly beard... he embodied those teams of my childhood. Grimy working class looking dude.
In 8 years with the Brewers, he had 81 complete games and 18 shutouts. His 1978 season is probably the best Brewer starting pitcher season in history.
22-9, 293 innings, 23 complete games in 34 starts, 6 shutouts, 2.36 ERA, 1.0 WHIP, 8.2 WAR. And he didn't start a game until the 14th game of the season (he pitched out the bullpen 3 games at the start).
I'm looking at his 1978 game log and his starts are staggering in today's context.
He pitched 3 10 inning complete games.
19 9 inning complete games
5 8 inning games (2 CG loses), 1 7 inning game, and 4 games of 6 innings +.
His 9 losses included 4 games in which the Brewers lost 3-0 and 3 games that the Brewers lost 4-3.
phaedrus posted:Anyone remember the Brewer's first major free agent acquisition? Larry Hisle.
Shortly after he suffered a career ending injury.
http://mlb.mlb.com/content/pri...2/m06/d12/c51295.jsp
In April 1979, Hisle tore his rotator cuff making a throw and played just 79 games in four more seasons. He went into coaching after his career ended, a stint that concluded with a few seasons as the Brewers' minor league hitting coach in the late 1990s.Is this team snakebit?
Sounds like Juan Nieves, Teddy Higuera, and Pete Vuckovich. They all had their careers shortened by major arm injuries. But then guys like Caldwell and Slaton were throwing almost 300 innings a year in some cases and pitching and lasting for 8-10 years.
phaedrus posted:
Is this team snakebit?
Oh yes they are and they have been for decades now. Everytime I see a headline about a MLB player having a freak injury I wonder if it is a Brewer.
I look back through the years and here are just a few
Higuera (hope I spelled that right) has about 4 good years and the rest of his career he is hurt and fizzles out by 8 years
Bosio? he wins 16 games one year and 15 another but yep fizzles out
There are many others but I am too lazy or don't want to be reminded of them. Sheffield comes to mind for other reasons in that he would do anything to get out of Milwaukee.
Some over looked players to me are Cecil Cooper and Ted Simmons both of those guys could really hit and play some really good D as well.
Does anyone know if there is a Brewers vs cubs thread?
Kyle Hendricks vs. Junior Guerra in 2 hours. Then on for 3 important games in St. Louis. Have to go at least 2-2 in these next 4. More than that would be ideal.
More Counsell on Nelson: "We thought it was going to probably be this whole season but he had a great start to this (rehab) that caused some optimism. It just kind of got back to what we thought originally, which was the best-case scenario that he gets ready for the 2019 season."
— Tom (@Haudricourt) August 15, 2018
Really? We all thought Nelson wasn’t going to return at all this season? That’s news to me.
Either he had a setback or the injury and rehab was far worse that was originally reported Craig.
If they knew Nelson wasn’t going to return in 2018 why not add another good starting pitcher???
I just hope we don’t hear later that his career is over.
MichiganPacker posted:George Scott probably should get some consideration. He played 5 years for the Brewers and was by far their best player in the early 1970s. During those 5 years he played almost every game and his average season was about .283 BA, 25 HR, and 95 RBI. He also won a gold glove at 1B every year he played in Milwaukee.
As terrible as the history of pitching in Milwaukee has been, the fielding is maybe worse. The Brewers have won only 10 gold gloves in 50 years and Scott has half of them. Yount (1), Gomez (1), Lezcano (1), and Cooper (2) are the others. 1 Gold Glove winner since 1982.
Gold Glove Awards are a very bad way to judge anyone defensively.
CAPackFan95 posted:MichiganPacker posted:George Scott probably should get some consideration. He played 5 years for the Brewers and was by far their best player in the early 1970s. During those 5 years he played almost every game and his average season was about .283 BA, 25 HR, and 95 RBI. He also won a gold glove at 1B every year he played in Milwaukee.
As terrible as the history of pitching in Milwaukee has been, the fielding is maybe worse. The Brewers have won only 10 gold gloves in 50 years and Scott has half of them. Yount (1), Gomez (1), Lezcano (1), and Cooper (2) are the others. 1 Gold Glove winner since 1982.
Gold Glove Awards are a very bad way to judge anyone defensively.
True. Derek Jeter won a few despite being subpar defensively several years.
In Scott's case, his advanced fielding stats support his case strongly. Things like total zone runs and range factor are very high for him.
https://www.baseball-reference...rs/s/scottge02.shtml
Tschmack posted:Really? We all thought Nelson wasn’t going to return at all this season? That’s news to me.
Either he had a setback or the injury and rehab was far worse that was originally reported Craig.
If they knew Nelson wasn’t going to return in 2018 why not add another good starting pitcher???
I just hope we don’t hear later that his career is over.
Chase Anderson, Junior Guerra, Chacin, Miley, and Peralta. If you get into a one game wild card playoff game, who do want to start it?
Their payroll for the whole rotation is 15 million this year (and only one guy is under 30 so it's not like they have a bunch of cheap guys on their first contracts they've developed).
If you get into a wild card game, do you start Hader and have him go 3-4 innings and go from there?
You can’t trust Peralta or Guerra or Anderson right now. Miley and Chacin have pitched out of their minds and as would be expected may come back to reality at some point.
CAPackFan95 posted:I hate the Cubs.
Ditto. One thing that makes me feel better is that they have a bunch of young players whose salaries are about to skyrocket. Hendricks (3 million), Addison Russell (3 million), Bryant (10 million), Schwarber (600 K), Contreras (600 K), and Baez (600 K) are all arbitration eligible this winter. They are drawing about 18 million in salary cumulatively right now. I know the Cubs have money, but each of these guys is probably a 10-20 million dollar a year player (or more for Bryant and Baez).
What an innning....a couple of weak ground balls, a pop up that drops in and right after getting back in it they are now deep in the hole.
MichiganPacker posted:CAPackFan95 posted:I hate the Cubs.
Ditto. One thing that makes me feel better is that they have a bunch of young players whose salaries are about to skyrocket. Hendricks (3 million), Addison Russell (3 million), Bryant (10 million), Schwarber (600 K), Contreras (600 K), and Baez (600 K) are all arbitration eligible this winter. They are drawing about 18 million in salary cumulatively right now. I know the Cubs have money, but each of these guys is probably a 10-20 million dollar a year player (or more for Bryant and Baez).
Uh, I think you'll see over the next couple of years, this really won't be a problem at all....for a variety of reasons.
The thing I dread the most is a situation where we have to win the last game of the season to clinch a wild card. And right now that means Chacin, maybe on 3 days rest. Then what do you do for the wild card game?
MichiganPacker posted:CAPackFan95 posted:I hate the Cubs.
Ditto. One thing that makes me feel better is that they have a bunch of young players whose salaries are about to skyrocket. Hendricks (3 million), Addison Russell (3 million), Bryant (10 million), Schwarber (600 K), Contreras (600 K), and Baez (600 K) are all arbitration eligible this winter. They are drawing about 18 million in salary cumulatively right now. I know the Cubs have money, but each of these guys is probably a 10-20 million dollar a year player (or more for Bryant and Baez).
Interesting... maybe this is why Stearns is holding the cards close to the vest. It is a pretty fair rationale.
The chess game between Espstein and Stearns could a damned interesting thing to watch. Based on the speed of the turnaround Stearns might be a better evaluator of talent...
That’s exactly my point ammo
In a 5 or 7 game series I think the Brewers would be competitive against just about anyone
In a one and done scenario I really don’t like their chances as they have the worst starting pitching of any of the division leaders or wild card contending teams. Chacin is probably their best option but at best he’s a #2 but more likely a #3
phaedrus posted:But, Epstein already got the hardware.
He’s on the other side of the rebuild. Stearns is still on the climb.
I like Stearns, not ready to compare him in any way to Theo just yet. I think that time may come and then we can give him a parade.
Right now his team has to beat the Cards.
You hate to put too many “Must win” labels, but I cannot escape the idea that this series needs to be won or they’re really is trouble. Two things at the same time- get up off the floor and prevent St Louis from getting back in it. You fail on one and allow the other, it’s going to be really tough sledding the last 6 weeks.
yup, I recall a thread around the break, the thought was we would know a lot more about this team by August 20. I am not sure what more we know but they certainly have not improved their position. The Cubs probably will not die and the Cards are coming on.....not much room for error for our lads.
Tschmack posted:
In a one and done scenario I really don’t like their chances as they have the worst starting pitching of any of the division leaders or wild card contending teams.
Personally I kinda like it for them as they have one of the best pens in the league. The proverbial 'shorten' the game deal…