+ & - of Bronco game

Jennings - "Heads" call in OT, block on Jones' TD
Grant - ran hard, decisively
Oline - good protection again, decent run blocking
Dline - solid, solid unit; they seem to always play well

I think you're being too harsh on Bigby; the only clear penalty was the ball kick (delay of game). I thought the others should have stayed in the pocket.

lotsa pluses only one minus

need not to believe our clippings at this point. We are a very good team in a league of very mediocre teams. If we let down, almost any team left on our schedule can beat us.

The pluses add up to that if we don't let up, we can be in every game we play.

Oh yeah, Deanna in the booth.

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need not to believe our clippings at this point. We are a very good team in a league of very mediocre teams. If we let down, almost any team left on our schedule can beat us.

Good Point. The ESPN guys said as much after the game. Weak league, no parity this year. Some teams are just awful right now.

Positives:

Favre: ++++++ ad infinitum
The Oline: Some of those holes were freakin HUGE. Nice pass blocking
Ryan Grant: So decisive. I see why Edgar Bennett likes him so much.
Kampman: The man never quits, one of the hallmarks of a great pass rusher
Kickers: Nice legs on those kids

Negatives:

Penalties: Ooof! Too many. Part of that was the officiating.
Al Harris: Stokely ate him for lunch. He seemed a step slow tonight. Very on Al like. The Pack played a lot of zone though, it appeared, Al's weakness.
Ryan: Too many punts into the endzone

HUGE NEGATIVE - Korndog's stupid, insensitive, prying question regarding the Monday night game 24 hours after Irv's death. "Deanna, how was it after that game?

One of the things that makes Kampan so effective is that he can beat you outside, inside or straight up (bull rush). For a long time, the only move Kabeer had was the outside speed rush. He's added an inside move which has helped him some.

Also, did you notice that Kampman tackled the WR on that option play THREE times? Just missed him twice and finally got him on the third try. Amazing determination and hustle.

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Originally posted by Goalline:
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Al Harris: Stokely ate him for lunch. He seemed a step slow tonight. Very on Al like. The Pack played a lot of zone though, it appeared, Al's weakness.

Great game for the Packers to win, but in nitpicking, Harris looked bad last night. Playing patty cake with Marshall trying to force a fumble late in the 4th was inexcuseable if you ask me. Tackle the f-er there on the 50 instead of giving him 20+ more yards!

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Also, did you notice that Kampman tackled the WR on that option play THREE times? Just missed him twice and finally got him on the third try. Amazing determination and hustle.

He worked his butt off on that play.

I am not sure who it was but there was another Packer that IMO made that play end up a loss of two yards when it looked like he might break all of it. When he reversed field one of the Packers was coming in and just held up and played contain, forcing him to cut it back up the middle.

I noticed it at the moment and mentioned right then that the guy has in essence made the play, simply by maintaining contain.

Different play, ALSO Kampman. That was the run that Selvin Young took down to the 3. He started to break it outside, but Kampman held contain. So he took it back to the middle and made a really nice run.

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Crosby.

Pretty small item in the stats, but the kickoff return coverage showed a few leaks last night. The difference is that when GB gives up a 35 yard return, Denver still had to start on the 30-or-so because the kickoff was fielded in the end zone. If Shortwell had kicked off with that same coverage level, Denver would've started at least a couple of drives outside their own 40 after what would have been a much shorter kick. In a game like this, that's obviously enormous, as it's an extra first down Denver has to get.

Agreed with pretty much everything else mentioned here.

NEGATIVES
The Packer DL was inconsistant with pressure, and that's what allowed Denver to move the ball the way they did. The secondary did not have one of its better nights. Those two elements kind of combined to almost lose the game. The tackling was atrocious last night. Despite giving up only 13 points, the D played pretty poorly most of the game.

Not too happy with the red zone offense. need to seal the deal, and they had a couple of long drives end in FGs because they couldn't get the ball in from inside the 5.

And the penalties. Jesus, Mary, and Joseph the penalties. They need to clean that up, because the secondary penalties are pissing me off, and the offensive penalties continue to cost this team points. It damn near cost them the Washington game, and this one too.

POSITIVES
Have to give props the Favre of course. He really answered the bell, and that's what great ones do. The OL had a good night against a bad D. The WRs ran good routes, made plays, and got the YAC. Favre was 21-27 because they were in sync. Donald Lee also had a good night.

You also have to take your hat off (again) to McCarthy. He matched up with Shanahan, a super HC, and beat him. This was a game that was dangerously close to being a shootout, if not for some costly mistakes by both teams. Shanahan probably knew a shootout would favor him. The Packers in turn changed the complexion of the game by grinding out a few long drives to shorten the game. They nailed a couple long plays, but they had a 98 yard drive and a couple other long drives to grind the game down to a more comfortable pace.

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Originally posted by scoop:
Jennings - "Heads" call in OT, block on Jones' TD
Grant - ran hard, decisively
Oline - good protection again, decent run blocking
Dline - solid, solid unit; they seem to always play well

I think you're being too harsh on Bigby; the only clear penalty was the ball kick (delay of game). I thought the others should have stayed in the pocket.

I agree on Bigby. The unnecessary roughness call was very borderline. He was coming full speed and the guy barely stepped out of bounds and he pulled up and hit him with his shoulder. Even the announcers mentioned that Stokley could work in Hollywood they way he flopped on the play. The interference call must have been for face guarding. He actually did a nice job of getting his hands between the ball and the receiver and knocking it away and didn't make much contact (if any) before the ball arrived. The kicking the ball was stupid, but it changed a 3rd and 18 to a 3rd and 13. If you want to bash someone for a stupid penalty, bash Moll. It's inexecusable to false start at the 1 yard line.

Overall, the officiating was questionable for both sides. It really disrupted the rhythm of the game for both teams. That holding call on the WR blocking Harris when Selvin Young ran by him on the sidelines in the 4th quarter was a terrible call.

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The unnecessary roughness call was very borderline.

I'll go a step further- it was a pussy call. He was tip-toeing the sideline, and he hit him just as his fett touched white. Total BS.

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That holding call on the WR blocking Harris when Selvin Young ran by him on the sidelines in the 4th quarter was a terrible call.

He had a hold of the Packer's shoulder pad, so he couldn't disengage form the block to make the tackle on the sideline. It was the only reason the play went down the sideline. I thought that call was pretty easy to make.

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NEGATIVES
The Packer DL was inconsistant with pressure, and that's what allowed Denver to move the ball the way they did. The secondary did not have one of its better nights. Those two elements kind of combined to almost lose the game. The tackling was atrocious last night. Despite giving up only 13 points, the D played pretty poorly most of the game.

Not too happy with the red zone offense. need to seal the deal, and they had a couple of long drives end in FGs because they couldn't get the ball in from inside the 5.

And the penalties. Jesus, Mary, and Joseph the penalties. They need to clean that up, because the secondary penalties are pissing me off, and the offensive penalties continue to cost this team points. It damn near cost them the Washington game, and this one too.

POSITIVES
Have to give props the Favre of course. He really answered the bell, and that's what great ones do. The OL had a good night against a bad D. The WRs ran good routes, made plays, and got the YAC. Favre was 21-27 because they were in sync. Donald Lee also had a good night.

You also have to take your hat off (again) to McCarthy. He matched up with Shanahan, a super HC, and beat him. This was a game that was dangerously close to being a shootout, if not for some costly mistakes by both teams. Shanahan probably knew a shootout would favor him. The Packers in turn changed the complexion of the game by grinding out a few long drives to shorten the game. They nailed a couple long plays, but they had a 98 yard drive and a couple other long drives to grind the game down to a more comfortable pace.

The DL was inconsistent

Penalties didn't help the red zone offense. and they were really trying to establish the run when they were down there. I was ok with that.

Penalties piss everyone off. Im sure that will be fixed.

Shanahan is not a super HC, and how would a shootout favor Denver? I think that Packers proved that they can score very quickly from the get-go.

I agree on the WR holding call. I don't think it prevented Harris from making the play. The game was way over-officiated.

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NEGATIVES
You also have to take your hat off (again) to McCarthy. He matched up with Shanahan, a super HC, and beat him. This was a game that was dangerously close to being a shootout, if not for some costly mistakes by both teams. Shanahan probably knew a shootout would favor him. The Packers in turn changed the complexion of the game by grinding out a few long drives to shorten the game. They nailed a couple long plays, but they had a 98 yard drive and a couple other long drives to grind the game down to a more comfortable pace.

I thought McCarthy clearly outcoached Shanahan. The Packers made Denver use a couple of timouts and drew two 12 man on the field penalties against Denver by playing a hurry up offense in situations when they knew Denver would make mass situational substitutions (they also got them on one play with only 10 men on the field).

I also thought that Shanahan and Cutler played the last 1:30 of regulation very poorly. They had first and 10 at the 18 with about 1:20 left and had to scramble to kick a FG at the gun to tie it. The QB draw on the third down play at the 3 at the end of regulation was very questionable (or at least the execution). Why would Culter not throw the ball out of the end zone instead of letting himself be tackled? The worst that happens is a 5 yard penalty for a lineman illegally downfield and then you have time to line up your FG team properly.

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Shanahan is not a super HC, and how would a shootout favor Denver? I think that Packers proved that they can score very quickly from the get-go.

The reason they would want to get in a shootout, or get on the board early and often, is to reduce the amount of running the Packers were doing. If the Packers were coming from behind, it would force them to throw the ball, and then you have the "Favre rule" come into play, which gives you a better chance.

McCarthy did out-coach Shanahan. But Shanahan is an excellent HC.

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Stupid mistakes by the OL. I'm beginning to side with Kworst. The way some of these assclowns are playing, they don't belong in the league.

First 100 yard rusher of the year. Sure the Oline made some stupid penalties but they also opened up some nice holes.

Kampman's one handed sack -- holy ****

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Oh yeah, Deanna in the booth.

Was that a positive or negative???

Depends on who you ask.

Positive.

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Different play, ALSO Kampman. That was the run that Selvin Young took down to the 3. He started to break it outside, but Kampman held contain. So he took it back to the middle and made a really nice run.

No, the play I am talking about is the one where Kampman had him and missed him twice, but got back up and got in on the tackle. As Young turned away from Kampman the second time and started to head back to the other side of the field a Packer defender came in from that side of the field had just held contain. Young spotted it and immediately turned upfield and was tackeld for the 2 yd loss.

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And the penalties. Jesus, Mary, and Joseph the penalties. They need to clean that up, because the secondary penalties are pissing me off, and the offensive penalties continue to cost this team points. It damn near cost them the Washington game, and this one too.

PENALTIES (Number-Yards) 13 - 103

Totally unacceptable.

While I go along with others that some of the penalties were bogus, those two false starts when the Pack were on the one yard line And what was it 2 times stupid mistakes gave the Donkeys a first down instead of forcing them to punt?

OK, that was Brandon Marshall (WR) with the ball, not Young. I'm not sure who had contain on that other side, but I understand what you mean.

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PENALTIES (Number-Yards) 13 - 103

Totally unacceptable.

While I go along with others that some of the penalties were bogus, those two false starts when the Pack were on the one yard line

The second false start at the goal line was pretty insignificant, since at that point you're going to throw the ball anyway, and you might as well throw from the 11 as from the 6.

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Originally posted by squirrelpee:And what was it 2 times stupid mistakes gave the Donkeys a first down instead of forcing them to punt?

Help me out on these two - I really don't remember.

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Positive.

To me it was a negative - too much of the Favres. (Breleigh goes to my daughters' school so I get to see Deanna enough)

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And the penalties. Jesus, Mary, and Joseph the penalties. They need to clean that up, because the secondary penalties are pissing me off, and the offensive penalties continue to cost this team points. It damn near cost them the Washington game, and this one too.

PENALTIES (Number-Yards) 13 - 103

Totally unacceptable.

While I go along with others that some of the penalties were bogus, those two false starts when the Pack were on the one yard line And what was it 2 times stupid mistakes gave the Donkeys a first down instead of forcing them to punt?

That's just poor coaching.

Positives: The Packers won despite not having an injured Justin Harrell.

Negatives: After Denver scored their TD, Favre made a throw that immediately put the Packer defense back on the field.

They're gaining confidence in themselves. At some point the light is going to go on, and they'll realize they actually are a good team. You don't win 10 out of 11 by luck.

I really like the comments I've heard from McCarthy and Favre. They consistently manage the expectations while giving credit to the talent and toughness of this team.

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Originally posted by squirrelpee:And what was it 2 times stupid mistakes gave the Donkeys a first down instead of forcing them to punt?

Help me out on these two - I really don't remember.

There was only 1... the Bigby P.I. Which, after watching the replay was a close call.

The whole celebrity in the booth thing is getting annoying. Good announcers don't need to make a football game into a talk show. There were a couple plays while Vince and Deanna were in the booth that I wanted to see replays of that weren't even commented on because Korny and the gang were too focused on books and movies and FEELINGS???(seriously, I heard more about feelings in MNF this week than from a season and a half of Dr. Phil). At least when Madden get's annoying, he is still talking about the game.

Other than that, too many penalties. Offense, defense, and Special Teams all suffered from mental mistakes.

Favre's fake to the invisible man. I know it was one little mistake but it's worth mentioning just because it was hilarious. At least he didn't loose the ball on that sack.

Grant was very impressive, he hit holes fast and with authority. I really think in a rotation between Morency, Wynn, and Grant we have a decent running game even if it lacks individual stats. At least it sets up a play fake, providing there is a RB there for Favre to fake to

Stokley was getting open all over, we need to make sure we can stop the pass a little more and missed tackles hurt us in several big plays (Marshall reception and RB pass attempt come to mind)

Pass blocking was impressive, it didn't seem like Favre was feeling near the pressure Cutler was in the pocket.

DID JONES CATCH THAT BALL AND HOLD ON TO IT?!?!?!?!?!?!

All in all, we found a way to win, which is what really matters. It's the thing that is seperating this year's packers team from the last few years. I hope this momentum carries and the pack keeps fixing the little problems and winning bigger games. Hopefully Favre keeps his trend of winning in new places alive next week at MY FIRST PACKER GAME!!! Look for me, I'll be the one in green!

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There was only 1... the Bigby P.I. Which, after watching the replay was a close call.

That one doesn't even count, since without the "pass interference" the ball is likely caught for a first down. So, I'm still at zero "stupid mistakes that gave the Donkeys a first down instead of forcing them to punt".

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And the penalties. Jesus, Mary, and Joseph the penalties. They need to clean that up, because the secondary penalties are pissing me off, and the offensive penalties continue to cost this team points. It damn near cost them the Washington game, and this one too.

PENALTIES (Number-Yards) 13 - 103

Totally unacceptable.

While I go along with others that some of the penalties were bogus, those two false starts when the Pack were on the one yard line And what was it 2 times stupid mistakes gave the Donkeys a first down instead of forcing them to punt?

That's just poor coaching.

It starts at the top, IMO.

KGB also hads a sloid game last night. He was consistently around Cutler, even though he didn't get an actual sack.