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Rd 1. Van Noy in the first. Can play any LB position. Packers did meet with him

Rd 2. WR Jared Abbrederis in the 2nd-Best route runner n the draft and runs a 4.40. Can also be the punt and KR his first year 

Rd 3. CB Jaylen Watkins-if Hyde is the safety they have to get some more depth.

Rd 3. hopefully a comp pic- TE CJ Fiedorowicz

RD 4- Daniel McCullors DL Tenn-

RD 5- QB of choice

 

This guy should be there in rd 4.

Strengths

Terrific football intelligence. Keys and diagnoses quickly, understands run fits and spills willingly. Physical -- good take-on/tackle strengh between the tackles. Pursues hard. Good tackler when he's able to square up ball carriers. Two-year captain with outstanding football character. Leads vocally and by example. Football is in his blood and approaches the game accordingly.

Weaknesses

Average athlete. Not explosive. Tight hips (exposed in space). Limited foot speed, lateral agility and range. Can be late to the perimeter. Struggles in man coverage and is stiff dropping/turning in coverage.

Bottom Line

Big, tough, experienced, durable, competitive Mike linebacker who was a heart-and-soul type for the stingiest defense in college football. Like a coach on the field, Bullough is a throwback talent whose instincts and technique will have to compensate for athletic limitations for him to win a starting role.

 

Scary how Hawkish this analysis reads.  Just knowing we could see a different number making tackles 5-10 yds down field is uplifting.

Max is faster, bigger, and smerter than Borland.  And likely to be there 1-2 rounds later.  Lamin Barrow isn't bad.  Quicker but not as stout run stopper.

 

One other point, the boys at 1265 seem to really like Sam Barrington.  Think back to where Bishop was after 1st year vs where he got to before injury.

Totally disagree-If Hyde is their safety choice and Raji retuning to NT then those positions are covered. Raji has been out of position the past three years. He was not a DE in any scheme. I think the biggest needs are ILB, TE and now center.
 
Originally Posted by BrainDed:

The two biggest needs are still S and NT.

 

i'm not a big fan of taking te's early.  i trust our development in players and i'd rather grab a freakish athlete later in the draft and teach him to play the position.  not many in this draft class though.  colt lyerla is f'd up in the head and ac leonard has had some red flag issues too.

Originally Posted by turnip blood:

The Packers have a red zone offence need. Last year they had troubled scoring TD's. Power game near the goal would be helped with a Big TE, Big Wide, power back in the vein of Hondo.

In my opinion that was more of a play calling problem.  We have one of the best power run games but didn't use it as often as we should have in the red zone.

Jimmy Ward has the goods to be a good NFL Safety IMO. Hope Ted and company have been paying attention. Guys a playmaker and really takes pride in his tackling. 

 

Not that I'm biased to promote a NIU player  The MAC has produced some good NFL talent....of which significantly helped bring our latest Lombardi !! 

 

If we go safety early, would be thrilled with Ha Ha or Prior as well. 

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Van Noy can play either, but is better suited inside for Green Bay. He's physical, athletic, quick and can cover as well as blitz. He could be a Navarro Bowman type with better quicks.

 

Think bigger, faster, better Brandon Chillar.

Originally Posted by Grave Digger:
Mack is going in the top 5. Mosley has been falling some because needs are changing and other players are rising. No one said Bryan Bulaga would fall either and he dropped for the same reason I think Mosely will. If we don't get Mosely in r1 then I think they will shoot for another ILB in r3 or r4.

agree completely with this. If we can't get Mosley, there is a huge gap to the next ILBer. I think we could Jones (FSU) or Skov (Stanford) in the third round or with comp pick. Safeties that may  be able to play right away may not last past the second round. 

ILB.  CJ  Mo (R1), Chris Bo (R2), or Shayne Sko (R3) - get at least one, wouldn't mind getting two.  Best safety available (hopefully either R1 or R2).  If don't get 2 ILB, grab best WR/CB return guy available to get Cobb out of that role (Abracadabra would make a ton of sense for this).  Hopefully CJ Fiedo is available in R4.

Originally Posted by BrainDed:
Originally Posted by turnip blood:

The Packers have a red zone offence need. Last year they had troubled scoring TD's. Power game near the goal would be helped with a Big TE, Big Wide, power back in the vein of Hondo.

In my opinion that was more of a play calling problem.  We have one of the best power run games but didn't use it as often as we should have in the red zone.

It can not be just play calling, bad play calling would only account for a small proportion of failed red zone opportunities. The power run game was not all that great and only developed latter in the season.
There is good reason to believe the Packer run game will be really good next season. A big TE, Receiver, or a clone of Hondo Williams would be really help the power game. A back like Hondo or Klune would be a mid round type draft pick. I have been convinced for several years that  the Packers have been looking for Hondo clone since he retired.

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Originally Posted by Herschel:

Van Noy can play either, but is better suited inside for Green Bay. He's physical, athletic, quick and can cover as well as blitz. He could be a Navarro Bowman type with better quicks.

 

Think bigger, faster, better Brandon Chillar.

Not saying it's not out there, but I haven't found a site yet that lists him as a MLB.  Have a link?

This is from CBS Sports on Van Noy:

 

Relies on instincts and efficiency, rather than physicality. Beats blockers to the action, rather than taking them on shedding violently and isn't an explosive tackler. Projects best as a traditional outside linebacker in the 4-3 alignment because of this lack of take-on mentality, though he has shown the ability to get to the quarterback.

In some games we lacked enough LBs to play a real 3-4. LB will be a round 1-3 pick.

 

Safety remains a problem even if Hyde moves. S will be a round 1-3 pick.

 

That said, if a Van Noye or a top TE is there, who doesn't need them?

Originally Posted by BrainDed:
Originally Posted by turnip blood:

The Packers have a red zone offence need. Last year they had troubled scoring TD's. Power game near the goal would be helped with a Big TE, Big Wide, power back in the vein of Hondo.

In my opinion that was more of a play calling problem.  We have one of the best power run games but didn't use it as often as we should have in the red zone.

...our run game is greatly enhanced by the threat of our passing attack, which forces people to play 2 deep safeties. This is not the case from inside the 10 yard line. As LT kept saying on the NFL Network, we gained alot of rushing yards vs. a "light box"....there is no "light box" inside the 10 yard line....a TE would help down there. 

Originally Posted by Pakrz:
Originally Posted by Herschel:

Van Noy can play either, but is better suited inside for Green Bay. He's physical, athletic, quick and can cover as well as blitz. He could be a Navarro Bowman type with better quicks.

 

Think bigger, faster, better Brandon Chillar.

Not saying it's not out there, but I haven't found a site yet that lists him as a MLB.  Have a link?

http://www.optimumscouting.com...-option-stopper.html

http://www.bleedinggreennation...ile-kyle-van-noy-byu

 

Guy's just a good football player who can blitz (almost looked better blitzing when lined up inside than out), spy, drop & zone cover. Needs to add some bulk in the weight room but otherwise a pretty solid guy.

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I'm waiting to see what Mosley's Pro Day numbers are going to be. He didn't do much at the Combine, making me wonder if he's dealing with injuries. If you're looking at linebackers, the guys with the numbers are (not necessarily in order):

 

(1) Khairi Fortt - CAL - 6-2, 248 - 4.7 40 - 30 bench - 36" vertical, 10' broad jump - 33 5/8" arms 

(2) Max Bullough - Mich St. - 6-3, 249 - 4.78 40 - 30 bench - 31" vertical, 9'4" broad jump - 31" arms

(3) Chris Borland - WIS - 5-11, 248 - 4.83 40 - 27 bench - 31" vertical, 9'6" broad jump - 29 1/4" arms

(4) Kevin Pierre-Louis - BC - 6-0, 232 - 4.51 40 - 28 bench - 39" vertical, 10'8" broad jump - 32 1/4" arms

(5) Prince Shembo - ND - 6-1, 253 - 4.71 40 - 26 bench - 38.5" vertical,  10'2" broad jump - 33 1/8" arms

(6) Kyle Van Noy - Penn St. - 6-3, 243 - 4.71 40 - 21 bench - 32.5" vertical, 9'4" broad jump, 31 5/8" arms

(7) Avery Williamson - Kentucky - 6-1, 246 - 4.66 40 - 25 bench - 30.5" vertical, 10' broad jump - 32 3/4" arms

(8) Jordan Zumwalt - UCLA - 6-4, 235 - 4.76 40 - DNP in the bench - 33" vertical, 9'8" broad jump, 31 1/4" arms

 

I've only included guys who participated in all the drills at the combine, with the exception of Zumwalt, who didn't bench, and also guys with good measurables. I didn't include Mack or Barr, who will, in all likelihood  be off the board. As far as those 2 go, I think Mack certainly looks like the stronger and more athletic  of the 2.

 

I don't see any of these other guys being graded out as first round picks, with the exception of Mosley, who remains a question mark to me.

 

Obviously, these are only workout numbers, and they don't really tell a thing about how well a guy can play the position.

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I don't understand why many draftniks seem to keep discounting how good of a LB Shayne Skov is. Barring injury he will be the best ILB to come from this draft. He's not as athletic as CJ Mosley, but he's more instinctive and physical. Had he not torn his ACL in 2011 he would easily be the #1 ILB in this class IMO. Watch his game vs. Oregon and vs. UCLA in 2013 and tell me he's not the best ILB in the draft.

Ted has admitted that need can break ties in BPA, and I think he illustrated that very clearly with the 2012 draft.

 

TE, S and ILB have the best chance of contributing from Day 1, so I could see him lean that way if all things are equal. But with what seems like a legitimate goal of getting his best players on the field on D this year, any Front 7 spot could easily jump into the rotation.

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