At what point do we start questioning the condition program?

No.

We're just that unlucky? Ok. I haven't seen every game, so I can't see all the injuries that are happening. It's just amazing to me the number we get.

Happens to every team. Injuries are going to happen, you just can't predict where or when.

The good news for Jordy is that a promising career in stockbroking awaits him.

Question the conditioning? I'll light up and think about it.

Lots of soft team abuse that DL for about 180 yards on the ground.

Yes ankle sprains have a direct correlation with conditioning

These guys get out of bed every day and do their jobs. Not sure everyone here can make the same claim.

I think you raise a interesting point in the 'thread topic", but I don't think the conditioning program is the problem. Seems like most of the injuries are significant: broken bones, serious sprains of joints or complete tears. Not too many of the players have the "lingering" type of injury that I think is either from poor conditioning or improper conditioning after the injury.

Starks - Turf Toe (significant)
Benson - Lisfranc (significant)
Jennings - Surgery
Quarelss - Surgery
Sherrod - Surgery
Worthy - Concussion (maybe in the old days you could tough it out)
Bishop - Surgery
DJ Smith - Surgery
Woodson - Broken Bone

And those were before today's game. Have no idea of the type/extent of injuries to Nelson and Bulaga, though neither seem to be from poor "conditioning".

While all teams must battle through injuries over the course of the season, it does seem the Packers get quite a bit more than most other "good" teams". I would love to see them get healthy for a lengthy stretch of the season.

Probably the greatest thread ever.

Did you see all the injuries across the league today?

Think about some of the other significant injuries across the league prior to today:

Demarco Murray, Jahvid Best, Aaron Hernandez, Danny Amendola, Jones-Drew, Pierre Garcon, Darren Sproles, Rashad Mendenhall, Santonio Holmes, Beanie Wells, Fred Davis, Kevin Boss, Jake Locker. A number of those guys are out for the year.

The Steelers, Cardinals, and Lions went a while with 3rd string RBs.

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Originally posted by Tschmack:
The Steelers, Cardinals, and Lions went a while with 3rd string RBs.

So did the Packers the last several weeks.

Injuries happen. But I think the Packers are far more injured than other teams.

Not saying we should question the condition though.

If any other team in the league had the number of injuries to starters that we've had I guarantee they wouldn't be 6-3. That's probably a testament to how good the conditioning is rather than the opposite.

Injuries don't bother me as much as they used to, with the exception of an injury like Collins'. The Packers are more capable of handling injuries than any other team in the NFL.

Maybe I'd have been better served asking if there were anything else we could be doing to lessen some of these injuries. I know Clay is big into MMA cross training (no, I am not suggesting that other players try that. But outside of the hammy which is a constant sore spot, he doesn't get other injuries). Is there something we could be doing to toughen up a little? Or have all of these injuries been unavoidable?

I guess this is coming from a big fan that is so frustrated with seeing half of my favorite players sitting on the sidelines. I'm sorry all, I guess I'm just venting a little.

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Originally posted by PackLandVA:
I think you raise a interesting point in the 'thread topic", but I don't think the conditioning program is the problem. Seems like most of the injuries are significant: broken bones, serious sprains of joints or complete tears. Not too many of the players have the "lingering" type of injury that I think is either from poor conditioning or improper conditioning after the injury.

Starks - Turf Toe (significant)
Benson - Lisfranc (significant)
Jennings - Surgery
Quarelss - Surgery
Sherrod - Surgery
Worthy - Concussion (maybe in the old days you could tough it out)
Bishop - Surgery
DJ Smith - Surgery
Woodson - Broken Bone

And those were before today's game. Have no idea of the type/extent of injuries to Nelson and Bulaga, though neither seem to be from poor "conditioning".

While all teams must battle through injuries over the course of the season, it does seem the Packers get quite a bit more than most other "good" teams". I would love to see them get healthy for a lengthy stretch of the season.

Good post, PackLandVA.

And that last paragraph, that's how I feel. I understand that all teams deal with injuries--it's a violent game, and you can only do so much to strengthen your body to help offset those injuries. I would just like to see what this team could do if they were even semi-healthy, so I'm searching for answers. And maybe therein lies the problem. Maybe there just aren't any answers to be found.

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Originally posted by bubbleboy789:
Injuries happen. But I think the Packers are far more injured than other teams.

Not saying we should question the condition though.

If any other team in the league had the number of injuries to starters that we've had I guarantee they wouldn't be 6-3. That's probably a testament to how good the conditioning is rather than the opposite.

It's a testament also to the depth of this team. You have to give Ted Thompson and our coaches a lot of credit for finding players.

Realistically, with all of these injuries, we should be 7-2. That's pretty amazing if you think about it.

Everyone who has lived in Wisconsin knows that dairy products builds strong bones. clearly the problem is that the team is not getting enough milk and cheese in its diet!

Not bad for a soft team.

Throw in rules fast.

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Originally posted by lambeausouth:
Every team has injuries. I get that they're part of the game. But it sure seems that we have more than our fair share of players getting hurt.

Are we a soft team?

I get where you are coming from, but someone rolling back on a players leg towards the end of the play has nothing to do with condistioning. Clay Matthews off season conditioning progam deals with MMA training, core, speed, etc. Guys can pull a hammy on every play. Plus many of the injuries right now for the Packers require surgery.

Draft harder players. CLEARLY CM3 ànd Jordy àre really soft.

BFI rankings for this team are falling fast, ESPN speculates conditioning is part of the problem

The team was pretty healthy last year, if I recall. But that does currently look like the exception in the **** sandwich made up of 2010 and 2012. Agree with others that most of these injuries can't be prevented with anything short of black magic, but I do wonder about the various strains/pulls. Would those be considered less flukey?

Football is football, and people get hurt playing football. HOWEVER, the Packers seem to have been a team that (for several years) has been hit by hamstring injuries more often than they should; AND, there are several players on the team (Mathews for one) who have a history of being hampered by hamstring problems. PERHAPS, it would be wise to adjust the conditioning regimen for players like that to include activities that are designed to strengthen and stretch the hamstrings. For example, in Mathews' case, perhaps he should be doing some stretching of the hamstrings when the offense is on the field. Just sayin'!

I'm sure Matthews and the training staff are well aware and do everything they can to keep his hamstrings in good shape. I think it's just the nature of the beast. He's explosive, quick and strong and pushes himself to the limits. His hamstring/s just can't keep up. I've had my fingers crossed since the beginning of the season but it finally happened again.

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Originally posted by Stevie:
Football is football, and people get hurt playing football. HOWEVER, the Packers seem to have been a team that (for several years) has been hit by hamstring injuries more often than they should; AND, there are several players on the team (Mathews for one) who have a history of being hampered by hamstring problems. PERHAPS, it would be wise to adjust the conditioning regimen for players like that to include activities that are designed to strengthen and stretch the hamstrings. For example, in Mathews' case, perhaps he should be doing some stretching of the hamstrings when the offense is on the field. Just sayin'!

The trainers that Matthews works with are top notch. You'd be crazy to think that his hamstrings aren't a topic of concern and a focal point of his individual training plan year round. Some players are just more prone to that type of injury than others. The way Matthews is built coupled with the intensity that he plays the game has to put an enormous amount of strain on his body. That guy plays harder on the last play of the game than most guys play on the first.

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Originally posted by Tdog:
I'm sure Matthews and the training staff are well aware and do everything they can to keep his hamstrings in good shape. I think it's just the nature of the beast. He's explosive, quick and strong and pushes himself to the limits. His hamstring/s just can't keep up. I've had my fingers crossed since the beginning of the season but it finally happened again.

Ding ding ding. Maybe we wouldn't get so many hamstring, quad, groin injuries, if the players didn't push themselves to their maximum. I'm sure everyone on this board would be fins with CM3 jogging around, and not going full bore.

I've heard that lollygagging around can work.

Read this opinion on another PACKER site but concur with it. The poster was questioning the loss of playing time by injured players before a second opinion it sought. Had Jennings got a second opinion sooner wouldn't he be playing by now? There's a press release that Perry after knee injury not responding is seeking a 2nd opinion. With the salaries paid these men wouldn't the cost of an 2nd opinion sooner be more cost effective since they would return to play sooner?

Makes sense to me.

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wouldn't the cost of an 2nd opinion sooner

I'm no doctor obviously but seeking a 2nd opinion right away might very well come up with the same diagnosis. But if you wait 10-14 or more days and the swelling around the troubled areas subsides, then you might have a a good shot of discovering more with a 2nd opinion.

I gotta think the GBP knows what they're doing. Why they are getting hit with so many gray area injuries? who knows. It's all part of the plan to test their mettle before the playoffs. Dog works in mysterious ways.

Send the Packers your job application!

why don't they just get the second opinion first

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Originally posted by Goalline:
Draft harder players. CLEARLY CM3 ànd Jordy àre really soft.

QFT Brotherman, QFT.

Why's he gotta be a brother?

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