From McCarthy today:
Considering Barclay at RT, but still don't know whether T.J. Lang will be available. But definitely discussion will be involving Barclay at RT.
quote:Originally posted by El-Ka-Bong:
if the prognosis for Sherrod and Bulaga is good, I can't imagine Ted using an early pick on a tackle.
It's not like they are wide receivers or something.
I read Bulaga should be fine, but Sherrod I'm not so sure about. Sherrod suffered a pretty serious injury, he may never be able to play.
quote:Originally posted by Stevie:
What drives me nuts about Starks is that as he is being tackled and he's trying to get an additional yard or two, he almost always turns so he's either sideways or he's back-first. When he does that, he is exposing the ball and is vulnerable to having somebody like a Tillman punch it out of his grasp. In my opinion, it's a bad habit that needs to be broken before it costs us.
If he is securing the ball, does it matter which was he is turned?
Yes.
If you are running down the sideline, does it matter what hand you are using to keep it high and tight?
As he said, it is about exposure.
If you are running down the sideline, does it matter what hand you are using to keep it high and tight?
As he said, it is about exposure.
PFF did not like Barclay much at all. Gave up 5 hurries on 23 pass blocking attempts. All of that while operating within an offense designed to get the ball out quickly.
Personally I thought he did fine. And i'd rather him play RT with Lang at LG, assuming Lang ever plays another snap in his career.
Personally I thought he did fine. And i'd rather him play RT with Lang at LG, assuming Lang ever plays another snap in his career.
quote:Originally posted by Goalline:quote:Originally posted by WolfPack:
JAke Long and LoadHolt are FA tackles next year
I have no clue what were gonna do at center
LOADHOLT?????
Joke all you want, Loadholt straight up dominated the Packers on Sunday. He was one of the main reasons AP had such a huge day. He had no problem sealing off Walden and absolutely destroyed Mike Neal on a play in the 4th quarter.
quote:Originally posted by BrainDed:
If you are running down the sideline, does it matter what hand you are using to keep it high and tight?
Of course it matters when you are at the sideline, but if Starks is running in the middle of the field, has the ball secure, does it matter if he turns sideways? I don't think so.
quote:Originally posted by bubbleboy789:
PFF did not like Barclay much at all.
I doubt PFF factors in first live action for an UDFA when grading. I also thought he did okay and when given help - which many NFL T's need against good edge rushers like Robinson - he did not embarrass. Sounds like he is in the conversation for RT even if Lang is a go this weekend.
Starks hasn't demonstrated any issues with ball security. You're searching for a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.
quote:Originally posted by michiganjoe:
Starks hasn't demonstrated any issues with ball security. You're searching for a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.
Maybe, but if I remember correctly, one of the main issues that troubled the Packers about Starks two years ago, was how he carried the ball. (Since then, blocking assignments have come to the front). If you watch him, he does tend to put the ball away from his body sometimes, he tends to carry it up high and he definitely does twist and turn into somewhat awkward positions where the ball is exposed. Since then, he has shown not to have had an issue with ball security, so to an extent your are right about a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. And for now, IMO, he is a more effective carrier than Green and really all we have, but at least, personally, he makes me nervous alot. With all that said, he might be the salvation to the running game again this year as he was two years ago.
quote:Originally posted by bubbleboy789:
PFF did not like Barclay much at all..
That's weird, and I'm a big fan of that site. I thought CHTV had a rundown that was much more in line with what I saw on the field:
quote:-On the first play of Barclayâs second series, McCarthy again showed that the playcalling wouldnât change with the rookie in the game. Thanks to a bad decision from Randall Cobb to run east-west instead of north-south on a punt return, the Packers found themselves pinned inside the 10-yard line. Instead of calling a run or two to escape the shadow of their own goalposts, McCarty dropped Rodgers back on first down. You probably donât ask your quarterback to throw from the end zone unless thereâs a semblance of confidence in your right tackle. Left on an island against Robison, Barclay handled the situation fine.
-By my count, only one hurry could be assigned to Barclay in nearly 20-pass blocking snaps. It came on his third snap.
-The Packers didnât have a negative play when running behind Barclay. Six of the 10 runs, however, went for five or more yards, including Starksâ 22-yard touchdown.
-On 12 different occasionsâyes, 12âRodgers was able to buy time by escaping the pocket to the right of the formation. On the gameâs biggest playâa 33-yard completion to Randall Cobb late in the fourth quarterâBarclay helped clear the right side for Rodgers to buy time and find Cobb, who ran a drag route across the entire field.
-A big reason for Barclayâs success in giving Rodgers a lane to buy time was his ability to drive Robison up field on speed rushes. On several plays, Barclay did a strong job of moving his feet and getting his hands on Robison as he tried to turn the corner. Lang struggled with this in two games against speed rushers.
-McCarthy left Barclay on an island against Robison on a majority of the passing plays. When he did get help, it was in the form of chip blocks from the backs. There was no coddling of the inexperienced tackle Sunday.
-The play ended in an interception, but Barclayâs hustle and clear-out block on Robison allowed Rodgers to step into a deep ball on the throw-back pass. If the play goes for the touchdown, Barclay is a hero.
-On Starksâ 22-yard touchdown, Barclay pulled outside in front of the sweep and did just enough on linebacker Erin Henderson to open up the play. It wasnât picture-perfect, but Barclay accomplished his job in front of the run.
-One area where Barclay struggled was finishing blocks on the second level. Chad Greenway shed a pair of block attempts when Barclay either pulled inside or got to disengage into the second level.
-Barclayâs second holding call was ticky-tack. The original block was perfect, but he got a little tug in as Rodgers (again) escaped the pocket to his right. Good call by the book, but Barclay briefly getting his hands outside Robisonâs pads had no effect on the play.
quote:-On Starksâ 22-yard touchdown, Barclay pulled outside in front of the sweep and did just enough on linebacker Erin Henderson to open up the play. It wasnât picture-perfect, but Barclay accomplished his job in front of the run.
I thought he wiffed, caught nothing but air.. The Defender just tried to cut up field instead of beating him to the sideline or taking on the block.
The real heros on that play are Taylor, Sitton and Jones.. Starks deserves credit for his speed and MM for the play call. EDS was running around looking for someone to block and never touched an opponent.. LOL
http://www.packers.com/media-c...ac-a7bf-85fdfa740b25
If Henderson gets outside of Barclay it's a 3yd gain. He whiffed, but he forced Henderson inside. His job is to prevent Henderson from making the tackle. Mission accomplished.
quote:Originally posted by Boston Jim:
I read Bulaga should be fine, but Sherrod I'm not so sure about. Sherrod suffered a pretty serious injury, he may never be able to play.
Not trying to call you out, but has anyone reported or speculated that Sherrod is done for good? Like when Collins got hurt, you heard speculation pretty quick that his career might be over. I just haven't heard anyone say that about Sherrod.
I think you have start Barclay at RT next game. Lang has not been good at RT, but even if Barclay is worse than Lang at RT, the boost the OL gets from going from EDS to Lang at LG would have to offset that.
Barclay didn't get a good shot in on the LB, but he did make him change his course and it worked out for the better. If he had gotten on him, the LB still might make that play. Barclay missing actually made it a better play.
As far as keeping Barclay at RT, I agree with MM when he said about Barclay: "I thought in the run game he was physical, thatâs a trait that we really like in Don. I thought the pass protection, a lot of his things were technical. I thought he did a solid job. When a rookie comes in for his first time in game action and youâre able to keep playing throughout your gameplan, I think thatâs a big credit to him."
I liked that Barclay wasn't afraid to get after people physically. They had their best success running to his side. He didn't act like a rookie. He wasn't afraid to get after it, even if he whiffed like on Starks' TD. He didn't hurt us in pass protection, and if MM says they played their regular gameplan, then they must have been comfortable with his performance. And the breakdown from CHTV shows that Barclay gave Rodgers better alleys to escape to, and we know Rodgers looks to run right first. The fact he had someplace to go to the right means Barclay had taken care of business. I say keep him there if at all possible.
As far as keeping Barclay at RT, I agree with MM when he said about Barclay: "I thought in the run game he was physical, thatâs a trait that we really like in Don. I thought the pass protection, a lot of his things were technical. I thought he did a solid job. When a rookie comes in for his first time in game action and youâre able to keep playing throughout your gameplan, I think thatâs a big credit to him."
I liked that Barclay wasn't afraid to get after people physically. They had their best success running to his side. He didn't act like a rookie. He wasn't afraid to get after it, even if he whiffed like on Starks' TD. He didn't hurt us in pass protection, and if MM says they played their regular gameplan, then they must have been comfortable with his performance. And the breakdown from CHTV shows that Barclay gave Rodgers better alleys to escape to, and we know Rodgers looks to run right first. The fact he had someplace to go to the right means Barclay had taken care of business. I say keep him there if at all possible.