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@D J posted:

I don't think the norm was ever 220 INTs in 140 games. Namath was and is vastly overrated is the point.

Roman Gabriel was 201 TDs and 149 INTs in that era.

Guys who played in New York are often overrated. Other than Lawrence Taylor most of the Giants and Jets stars were overrated.

I agree Namath was overrated, but his interception ratios were really skewed to look even worse when he kept playing when he was completely washed up. In his last three years he had 22 TDs against 49 interceptions in 29 games. Take those out and he's in line with the other guys.  

It was easy to tell who the better team was.

Bengals looked smooth, calm, and in control.
When they had the ball, they were getting 6-7-8 yards on 1st down, convert those to continue the drive, and connecting on some big plays.

The Bills looked like the Keystone Cops in comparison. They has a puncher's chance to make big plays because of Allen, Diggs, Khalil, and Beasley, but the Bengals had a good defense that didn't let many big shots through, and easily absorbed those that did.

Cincinnati would have destroyed Buffalo in the first game they played this year. This team is fun to watch. I watched them every week.

I live near Cincy and I watch quite a few Bengals games and yes they are fun to watch.  Burrow is so smooth and confident in what he does he doesn't force things, plays within the system, and throws to whoever is open.

Seems to me that a lot of people seem to have forgotten they were a Super Bowl team a year ago.

@FLPACKER posted:

I loved the shot of Diggs being a big-ass -baby (BAB) on the sidelines. The guy has always been a front-runner.

The percentage of WRs that are complete divas and me-first type of players is higher than at any other position (even QB). The exceptions, like Davante Adams, stand out and are often considered quiet and reserved.

It will be interesting to see how this next crop of WRs progresses through to their next contract.

Is Justin Jefferson going to want out of Minnesota if he doesn't get 35 million a year?

Is Chase going to cause problems in CIncy (which could conceivably end up having to pay him and Burrow 90 million a year).

@DH13 posted:

Not to mention what happens to Higgins.  That boat's not big enough for both Higgins and Chase getting a second contract, though they have another year or two before they have to worry about that.  Unless Chase gets testy and wants a new contract sooner.

After what just happened to Tony Pollard yesterday, you can't blame guys for pushing. The high first round picks are generally pretty well insured against injury in terms of earning "big" money (Chase (5th overall) has already made 30 million guaranteed and Jefferson is at 13 million after going 22nd overall. Both are obviously going for 75 million guaranteed (Davante got 67 million guaranteed).

RBs don't get huge contracts, but Pollard could have probably gotten 3 years and 15 million from someone with something like 8-10 million guaranteed. After needing surgery on a broken fibula, he's probably looking at close to the minimum for next year. And Pollard was a 4th round pick, so he's only made 3.2 million over his entire career so far.

@CUPackFan posted:

That's a really good point.  Almost every other New York sports "star" is so overrated yet Simms rarely gets mentions. I wonder if there's a story here with the media back when Simms was playing.

Simms had a few things that held him back.

He made two Pro Bowls his entire career (one in his last year). He didn't make a single All-NFL team.

As others mentioned, when he got hurt in 1990 Hostetter came in and there was no drop off at all on their way to a Super Bowl title.

His relationship with the NY media got off to a rough start. Everyone hated the Giants drafting him, including Simms (from Wikipedia).

NFL Draft[edit]

Bill Walsh was so impressed that he planned to draft Simms in the third round, preferring him over the quarterback they ultimately took, Joe Montana of Notre Dame.[4] But the New York Giants decided to make Simms their first round pick (seventh overall) to the surprise of many.[5] When Simms's name was announced by Commissioner Pete Rozelle in front of the audience at the draft in New York, his selection was booed loudly by the Giants fans in attendance.[6][7] (He was the second quarterback taken; Jack Thompson of Washington State went to Cincinnatiwith the third overall pick.) Simms was not happy being a Giant either, "All I was thinking was which teams I would rather play forโ€”the Green Bay Packers, the Kansas City Chiefs, San Diego, San Francisco..."[8]

@The Heckler posted:

I live near Cincy and I watch quite a few Bengals games and yes they are fun to watch.  Burrow is so smooth and confident in what he does he doesn't force things, plays within the system, and throws to whoever is open.

Seems to me that a lot of people seem to have forgotten they were a Super Bowl team a year ago.

Burrows is smert. He makes it look so smooth because he's never forcing things. He's always calm because he knows the routes and where to go with the ball; he's not thinking, "The play is designed here but I've made up my mind to go here instead even if it's double-covered" like another QB we know. Taylor has put Burrows into a good system, but Burrows is smert enough to execute it as well.



NFL Draft[edit]

Bill Walsh was so impressed that he planned to draft Simms in the third round, preferring him over the quarterback they ultimately took, Joe Montana of Notre Dame.[4] But the New York Giants decided to make Simms their first round pick (seventh overall) to the surprise of many.[5] When Simms's name was announced by Commissioner Pete Rozelle in front of the audience at the draft in New York, his selection was booed loudly by the Giants fans in attendance.[6][7] (He was the second quarterback taken; Jack Thompson of Washington State went to Cincinnatiwith the third overall pick.) Simms was not happy being a Giant either, "All I was thinking was which teams I would rather play forโ€”the Green Bay Packers, the Kansas City Chiefs, San Diego, San Francisco..."[8]

Bart Starr was all set to draft Montana in the 3rd round in the 1979 draft.  But he deferred to his defensive staff who talked him into Charles Johnson, a DT. In 3 years Johnson had 7.5 sacks and 1 INT.  Starr always said later that was the biggest mistake he made in drafting, he should have trusted himself.   Could you imagine have Montana, then Favre and then Rodgers?

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@ammo posted:

Bart Starr was all set to draft Montana in the 3rd round in the 1979 draft.  But he deferred to his defensive staff who talked him into Charles Johnson, a DT. In 3 years Johnson had 7.5 sacks and 1 INT.  Starr always said later that was the biggest mistake he made in drafting, he should have trusted himself.   Could you imagine have Montana, then Favre and then Rodgers?

I have always wondered if Bart's coaching tenure in GB would have been much different if he wasn't also the GM and just was the coach.   Also I have wondered if Montana would have been Montana if he landed in GB?  Who knows but man it would have been incredible if it worked out.

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