Bengal Tigers vs. Wild Wings Snowman

@D J posted:

I don't think the norm was ever 220 INTs in 140 games. Namath was and is vastly overrated is the point.

Roman Gabriel was 201 TDs and 149 INTs in that era.

Guys who played in New York are often overrated. Other than Lawrence Taylor most of the Giants and Jets stars were overrated.

I agree Namath was overrated, but his interception ratios were really skewed to look even worse when he kept playing when he was completely washed up. In his last three years he had 22 TDs against 49 interceptions in 29 games. Take those out and he's in line with the other guys.  

@Tschmack posted:

I’m just glad we won’t see the stupid ass neutral site game

Don’t worry, it’s coming someday regardless for both conferences

@GreenBayLA posted:

Like Brady without Gronk?

100%. Since Gronk came into the league, Brady's QB rating with him is 103.8 and 89.6 without him.

@GreenBayLA posted:

Like Brady without Gronk?

Like Rodgers without Davante eh?  

@YooperPackfan posted:

Don’t worry, it’s coming someday regardless for both conferences

Probably with huge halftime shows and almost all corporate ticket holders in domes or in Miami or LA.

@YooperPackfan posted:

Don’t worry, it’s coming someday regardless for both conferences

The NFL's wet dream is dome playoffs.

Haven't read all 4 pages yet so I apologize if it's been stated, but Buffalo performance today in ideal Buffalo-type conditions very reminiscent of recent Packer performances in playoffs post 2010.

@MichiganPacker posted:

Guys who played in New York are often overrated. Other than Lawrence Taylor most of the Giants and Jets stars were overrated.

I'd ad Strahan, although not bert's gift.

Fuck the 49ers and Cowboys.  Both teams suck ass.  

I’ll be rooting for Philly or AFC opponent in the next round.

@MichiganPacker posted:

Guys who played in New York are often overrated. Other than Lawrence Taylor most of the Giants and Jets stars were overrated.

I'd argue Phil Simms is underrated. The guy was Brady or Aikman without the weapons. Seemed to just make the right decisions at the right time.

@MichiganPacker posted:

Josh Allen's cap hit is 17 million this year and 40 million next year.

Joe Burrow's is 10 million in 2022 and 11 million in 2023.

That difference allows you to sign an extra guy or two.

They have to sign their own.

@Goldie posted:

Like Rodgers without Davante eh?  

Burrow threw to 9 different receivers. Throws to the open guy, doesn't give a fuck who it is. Rodgers doesn't.

@Herschel posted:

I'd argue Phil Simms is underrated. The guy was Brady or Aikman without the weapons. Seemed to just make the right decisions at the right time.

Hostetler took them to their second Super Bowl win. He was a career back up. Simms didn’t have that bad and his defenses were elite.

@GBFanForLife posted:

Burrow threw to 9 different receivers. Throws to the open guy, doesn't give a fuck who it is. Rodgers doesn't.

Rodgers' receivers don't get open, and when they do, don't catch the ball.  Remember Deguara's drop of an easy first down in the SF playoff game last year?

@D J posted:

Early daggers are dangerous.

I am good at being wrong.

Yah, so was I.

@Fedya posted:

Rodgers' receivers don't get open, and when they do, don't catch the ball.  Remember Deguara's drop of an easy first down in the SF playoff game last year?

...tough one to watch back. Rodgers will be sick with himself when he sees it on the film. Ugh. pic.twitter.com/caI79hZIbV

— Ben Fennell (@BenFennell_NFL) January 23, 2022

@Fedya posted:

Rodgers' receivers don't get open, and when they do, don't catch the ball.  Remember Deguara's drop of an easy first down in the SF playoff game last year?

More Rodgers slurping

@Tschmack posted:

Burrow will eat the Chefs defense alive next week

I hope you’re right. Can’t stand Andy Reid.

Cincinnati would have destroyed Buffalo in the first game they played this year. This team is fun to watch. I watched them every week.

Josh Allen needs a new offensive coordinator/ QB coach. Someone that can adapt the offense to his skills

@NumberThree posted:

...tough one to watch back. Rodgers will be sick with himself when he sees it on the film. Ugh. pic.twitter.com/caI79hZIbV

— Ben Fennell (@BenFennell_NFL) January 23, 2022

Hero ball is more important to AR12 than moving the chains.

buffalo defense didn’t show up today

@Goalline posted:

I am good at being wrong.

Don’t be so hard on yourself….you’re great at it!

Josh Allen is a young Favre without Holmgren; Joe Burrows is Joe Cool 2.0. Plus, Taylor doesn't get enough respect as HC. That team is ready every week. I can see a Philly/Cincy Superb Owl.

@NumberThree posted:

...tough one to watch back. Rodgers will be sick with himself when he sees it on the film. Ugh. pic.twitter.com/caI79hZIbV

— Ben Fennell (@BenFennell_NFL) January 23, 2022

And who was that at the Niners 40 yard line beating his man on the left side? Two guys open, but Rodgers saw neither and threw into double coverage.

It was easy to tell who the better team was.

Bengals looked smooth, calm, and in control.
When they had the ball, they were getting 6-7-8 yards on 1st down, convert those to continue the drive, and connecting on some big plays.

The Bills looked like the Keystone Cops in comparison. They has a puncher's chance to make big plays because of Allen, Diggs, Khalil, and Beasley, but the Bengals had a good defense that didn't let many big shots through, and easily absorbed those that did.

Only QB who I'd presently put ahead of Burrow is Mahomes, and it's a pretty close call. Really was impressed by the Bengal team and coaching staff and completely agree with others that the Bills resembled the Packer playoff teams of late.

I loved the shot of Diggs being a big-ass -baby (BAB) on the sidelines. The guy has always been a front-runner.

@GBFanForLife posted:

Cincinnati would have destroyed Buffalo in the first game they played this year. This team is fun to watch. I watched them every week.

I live near Cincy and I watch quite a few Bengals games and yes they are fun to watch.  Burrow is so smooth and confident in what he does he doesn't force things, plays within the system, and throws to whoever is open.

Seems to me that a lot of people seem to have forgotten they were a Super Bowl team a year ago.

@FLPACKER posted:

I loved the shot of Diggs being a big-ass -baby (BAB) on the sidelines. The guy has always been a front-runner.

The percentage of WRs that are complete divas and me-first type of players is higher than at any other position (even QB). The exceptions, like Davante Adams, stand out and are often considered quiet and reserved.

It will be interesting to see how this next crop of WRs progresses through to their next contract.

Is Justin Jefferson going to want out of Minnesota if he doesn't get 35 million a year?

Is Chase going to cause problems in CIncy (which could conceivably end up having to pay him and Burrow 90 million a year).

Not to mention what happens to Higgins.  That boat's not big enough for both Higgins and Chase getting a second contract, though they have another year or two before they have to worry about that.  Unless Chase gets testy and wants a new contract sooner.

@DH13 posted:

Not to mention what happens to Higgins.  That boat's not big enough for both Higgins and Chase getting a second contract, though they have another year or two before they have to worry about that.  Unless Chase gets testy and wants a new contract sooner.

After what just happened to Tony Pollard yesterday, you can't blame guys for pushing. The high first round picks are generally pretty well insured against injury in terms of earning "big" money (Chase (5th overall) has already made 30 million guaranteed and Jefferson is at 13 million after going 22nd overall. Both are obviously going for 75 million guaranteed (Davante got 67 million guaranteed).

RBs don't get huge contracts, but Pollard could have probably gotten 3 years and 15 million from someone with something like 8-10 million guaranteed. After needing surgery on a broken fibula, he's probably looking at close to the minimum for next year. And Pollard was a 4th round pick, so he's only made 3.2 million over his entire career so far.

@Herschel posted:

I'd argue Phil Simms is underrated. The guy was Brady or Aikman without the weapons. Seemed to just make the right decisions at the right time.

That's a really good point.  Almost every other New York sports "star" is so overrated yet Simms rarely gets mentions. I wonder if there's a story here with the media back when Simms was playing. 

@CUPackFan posted:

That's a really good point.  Almost every other New York sports "star" is so overrated yet Simms rarely gets mentions. I wonder if there's a story here with the media back when Simms was playing.

Simms had a few things that held him back.

He made two Pro Bowls his entire career (one in his last year). He didn't make a single All-NFL team.

As others mentioned, when he got hurt in 1990 Hostetter came in and there was no drop off at all on their way to a Super Bowl title.

His relationship with the NY media got off to a rough start. Everyone hated the Giants drafting him, including Simms (from Wikipedia).

NFL Draft[edit]

Bill Walsh was so impressed that he planned to draft Simms in the third round, preferring him over the quarterback they ultimately took, Joe Montana of Notre Dame.^[4] But the New York Giants decided to make Simms their first round pick (seventh overall) to the surprise of many.^[5] When Simms's name was announced by Commissioner Pete Rozelle in front of the audience at the draft in New York, his selection was booed loudly by the Giants fans in attendance.^[6][7] (He was the second quarterback taken; Jack Thompson of Washington State went to Cincinnatiwith the third overall pick.) Simms was not happy being a Giant either, "All I was thinking was which teams I would rather play for—the Green Bay Packers, the Kansas City Chiefs, San Diego, San Francisco..."^[8]

@The Heckler posted:

I live near Cincy and I watch quite a few Bengals games and yes they are fun to watch.  Burrow is so smooth and confident in what he does he doesn't force things, plays within the system, and throws to whoever is open.

Seems to me that a lot of people seem to have forgotten they were a Super Bowl team a year ago.

Burrows is smert. He makes it look so smooth because he's never forcing things. He's always calm because he knows the routes and where to go with the ball; he's not thinking, "The play is designed here but I've made up my mind to go here instead even if it's double-covered" like another QB we know. Taylor has put Burrows into a good system, but Burrows is smert enough to execute it as well.

@MichiganPacker posted:

NFL Draft[edit]

Bill Walsh was so impressed that he planned to draft Simms in the third round, preferring him over the quarterback they ultimately took, Joe Montana of Notre Dame.^[4] But the New York Giants decided to make Simms their first round pick (seventh overall) to the surprise of many.^[5] When Simms's name was announced by Commissioner Pete Rozelle in front of the audience at the draft in New York, his selection was booed loudly by the Giants fans in attendance.^[6][7] (He was the second quarterback taken; Jack Thompson of Washington State went to Cincinnatiwith the third overall pick.) Simms was not happy being a Giant either, "All I was thinking was which teams I would rather play for—the Green Bay Packers, the Kansas City Chiefs, San Diego, San Francisco..."^[8]

Bart Starr was all set to draft Montana in the 3rd round in the 1979 draft.  But he deferred to his defensive staff who talked him into Charles Johnson, a DT. In 3 years Johnson had 7.5 sacks and 1 INT.  Starr always said later that was the biggest mistake he made in drafting, he should have trusted himself.   Could you imagine have Montana, then Favre and then Rodgers?

@ammo posted:

Bart Starr was all set to draft Montana in the 3rd round in the 1979 draft.  But he deferred to his defensive staff who talked him into Charles Johnson, a DT. In 3 years Johnson had 7.5 sacks and 1 INT.  Starr always said later that was the biggest mistake he made in drafting, he should have trusted himself.   Could you imagine have Montana, then Favre and then Rodgers?

I have always wondered if Bart's coaching tenure in GB would have been much different if he wasn't also the GM and just was the coach.   Also I have wondered if Montana would have been Montana if he landed in GB?  Who knows but man it would have been incredible if it worked out.

@MichiganPacker posted:

NFL Draft[edit]

Simms was not happy being a Giant either, "All I was thinking was which teams I would rather play for—the Green Bay Packers, the Kansas City Chiefs, San Diego, San Francisco..."^[8]

So many draft prospects in the 70s and 80s made a big stink about not wanting to be drafted by the Packers. That's the first time I've ever read about a player saying he wished he had been drafted by GB during that era.