ChilliJon posted:Dungy doesn't say a word about his son that took his life in 2005.
That's amazing. Amazingly pathetic. I had no time for any of them. I think I'm getting cynical in my old age.
It's still hard to believe how they lost that home playoff game to the Giants in 2007. There have been some other crushing losses- namely the Packers/Cowgirls in 1995 (thanks for that 4th quarter pick BrINT), 4th and 26 and the ill fated heave in OT against Philly in 2003, and the meltdown in Seattle from a few years ago.
It's the Giants loss that sticks with me because in that game it appeared to me #4 did not want to be out there and his play backed it up. Yes it was cold but dammit this ain't Detroit man this is for the Super Bowl. Then he throws that lollypop to Driver toward the sideline (despite many other options) and it gets picked. Ugh! Or should I say "aw shucks?!?"
In fairness to Brent he did a lot of good things for the organization, but for as much as he/they accomplished they should have done so much more. Someone else posted it but unlike Rodgers a number of BrINTs teams had pretty good defenses around him. One title to show for it just doesn't seem right but that what the old gunslinging tendencies will get you.
It took playing with one of the best defenses of all-time for Bert to win a Super Bowl. 12 has played with a very good defense one time in his career, and he won it all that season.
If Reggie had not come to GB, Brett would have been Dan Marino with more interceptions.
Watched the speech again this am and I'm just going to come out and say it. Deana looks like she'd be all you'd want to tangle with in bed. In a good way.
I know reading body language and facial expressions are frowned upon. But when Brett was thanking her there were a couple times she had a sultry burn look going that screamed "you have no idea how many times I banged the landscapers". And it kind of got me worked up.
Brett was a great player and brought fun to the game. It was also a great speech and I enjoyed it. Enough said.
Sorry to be off topic, but I wanted to share something about the Lombardi departure. This is from "Closing the Gap" by Willie Davis:
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The biggest change we experienced on the Green Bay Packers before that 1969 season had to be the shocking news that Vince Lombardi was leaving the organization to go back to coaching, this time with the Washington Redskins. As outraged as folks around Green Bay were, the move made perfect sense for Coach. The Redskins had wooed him for a while and could offer him more money, as well as a piece of ownership of the team and more influence. He also saw some young talent that needed molding like the Packers had when he first joined. He also had help in veteran quarterback Sonny Jurgensen, whom he had always respected for his accuracy and leadership - much like Bart.
It stung me greatly, as it did many of the other players and fans in Green Bay. Although he had stepped away from coaching the year before, there had been at least some comfort from the knowledge that he was still around and involved with the team he had built. We didn't see him or hear from him every day, but with a presence as large as Coach Lombardi's, you felt it everywhere. Now it was gone, and there was no doubt about the size of the void we all felt in Green Bay coming into that season.
For as much as it hurt, I saw it coming. I had an experience with Coach during one of the last practices we had as a team in the 1968 season. He had come down to watch the team that had brought him so much joy and success. Instead he saw a shadow of what they once were, and he saw himself reflected in that.
"How you doin', Coach?" I asked as I jogged to the sideline.
"Willie, there is only one place in this game for me," he said, looking at the field pensively. "And that's out here coaching."
I had seen that look of determination and resolve many times in my career, and I knew he would be gone soon. He couldn't come back and take over coaching at Green Bay again because it would upstage Coach Bengston and ruffle some feathers. It wouldn't have been fair to Phil, and Coach Lombardi knew that. Plus with all the teams looking for coaches to turn around their programs, I knew Coach, despite bleeding Green and Gold, would look for another actual opportunity where he could build another legacy.
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There's also a heartfelt story about when Willie visited Lombardi in the hospital. Great book, I highly recommend it.
ChilliJon posted:...there were a couple times she had a sultry burn look going that screamed "you have no idea how many times I banged the landscapers". And it kind of got me worked up.
Brings new meaning to landscapers and their handling of hoes.
one thing that stuck with me was the way Brett kept repeating at the end that he doesnt regret a thing. I think his last words in the speech he looked straight at the camera and he emphatically repeated he regrets nothing.
I took that as a defensive jab about his orchestration to the Vikings.
great speech, but had to sneak that in there
"As I look back on my career, no regrets. No regrets, whatsoever. Sure, I would have liked to have won more games, would have liked to have gone to a Super Bowl this year, would have liked to have thrown less interceptions. More touchdowns. But no regrets at all"
Brett Favre retirement speech March 2008. He had no regrets before he left.
I dont know. Last night was as close to seeing Brett kind of open the door juuuuust a bit that he might have screwed things up as I've seen from him. Probably as close as we're ever going to see.
ChilliJon posted:
I know reading body language and facial expressions are frowned upon. But when Brett was thanking her there were a couple times she had a sultry burn look going that screamed "you have no idea how many times I banged the landscapers". And it kind of got me worked up.
They ALL do that.
Gotta take the "red pill" bro.
#hypergamy
If you feel the need to convince me over and over again that you have no regrets, you probably have some obvious regrets
There's always regrets. Favre, or anyone for that matter, can say there's no regrets but the reality is that saying "no regrets" in public is just another way to try to convince himself he did the right thing. Saying "no regrets" is just another way of saying "I screwed up, but I've (mostly) let it go." And there's no way Favre is going to admit he screwed up in public.
I think saying he has no regrets is also a way of saying that even if he was to do it all over again, he would be incapable of doing things any other way. I'm sure Favre would choose to have thrown fewer interceptions, but he was incapable of it. It would have meant changing his style of play, which he couldn't do (on his own). I'm sure he would also have chosen to finish his career in Green Bay, but he couldn't because management and his pride wouldn't let him. He was driven by his emotions and did not have the capacity to act in any other way. If he never had the self-control necessary to avoid throwing impulsive interceptions, why would anyone expect him to have the self-control needed to manage his hurt feelings without acting out?
The flip side of this , of course, is that Green Bay fans here that need to keep telling us they don't care about Favre or insist on calling him Bert ect. and trashing him....they obviously still love him or they wouldn't feel the need to keep acting like they don't.
Funny how that works...people don't see the same behavior in themselves.
Oldschool, you are about as far from understanding normal human emotions as anyone I've seen on this board, so you can keep your limited insights to yourself.
Dr._Bob posted:Oldschool, you are about as far from understanding normal human emotions as anyone I've seen on this board, so you can keep your limited insights to yourself.
Yes and that is exactly what you would say... because what I said is true. 
No worries, no malice intended.
Just a rather easy observation.
We all do it.
Jesus Christ, just go the Hell away.
The Ref fka Blair Kiel posted:Jesus Christ, just go the Hell away.
I thought it was you're cute and all, or something like that?
Is this where we talk about what we had for breakfast?
oldschool posted:The flip side of this , of course, is that Green Bay fans here that need to keep telling us they don't care about Favre or insist on calling him Bert ect. and trashing him....they obviously still love him or they wouldn't feel the need to keep acting like they don't.
Funny how that works...people don't see the same behavior in themselves.
Or it could just be fun.
Who doesn't love a hero worshiper?
I totally get why some Packer fans may not have wanted to watch last night. Certainly, that is how I felt - before the Thanksgiving Game with the Reunion and welcome back to the family hug by Bart.
I figure if Bart freaking Starr can forgive #4, then who the hell am I not to?
Watched the speech twice. Thought it was great, and was awesome to see and hear the sea of Green and Gold.
Henry posted:I call cognitive dissonance.
And you would be correct of course...but you knew that already.
You have to get up pretty early in the morning to pull one over on Henry.
The Ref fka Blair Kiel posted:Jesus Christ, just go the Hell away.
I originally wrote a lengthier response, but this sums it up.
I watched, cringed a tad when he went kinda on and on about his wife......but he got the Packers a Super Bowl, and in turn we shared in that as well. Was proud of him.....and watching all the shows on him these past few days.....I think I can say, so glad we had him........and thanks Brett. Now it's on to the 2016 season.
oldschool posted:The flip side of this , of course, is that Green Bay fans here that need to keep telling us they don't care about Favre or insist on calling him Bert ect. and trashing him....they obviously still love him or they wouldn't feel the need to keep acting like they don't.
Funny how that works...people don't see the same behavior in themselves.
Yeah, I love him. Yaaaaaawn! Next!
Fedya posted:Is this where we talk about what we had for breakfast?
Not yet, Fedya. Can you point Oldschool to one of your epic movie threads?
gbIdaho posted:I totally get why some Packer fans may not have wanted to watch last night. Certainly, that is how I felt - before the Thanksgiving Game with the Reunion and welcome back to the family hug by Bart.
I figure if Bart freaking Starr can forgive #4, then who the hell am I not to?
Watched the speech twice. Thought it was great, and was awesome to see and hear the sea of Green and Gold.
Please don't blame Bart.
Thank God he didn't win a Superb Bowl with the 'queens. Then, he would have to compare the two teams and which season he thought was better, etc. THAT would've been hard to listen to yesterday.
Goalline posted:Fedya posted:Is this where we talk about what we had for breakfast?
Not yet, Fedya. Can you point Oldschool to one of your epic movie threads?
I don't just recommend epics, you know. 
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That's about all that I recall.
I suppose...you probably passed out after all the blood rushed from your head.
The world needs more people to explain obvious jokes.
SDPF has found his special purpose.