Black December for the Packers

Don't forget...we hate Bert too.

Those are all true, but everyone gets stale over time (except Belicheck). 

Capers scheme got exposed over time and he could not adjust.

Thompson made some great picks over the years, but his last 2 or 3 drafts were not very good.

McCarthy, see Capers.

Personally I am grateful for everything MM3 did for the club, along with TT and even Compers.

Sure, everyone wears out their welcome, but there's no reason to be bitter.

Time always wins.

We are spoiled rotten. Very grateful for them.

Remember well the dark ages. The only sliver of light was
 Max & Jim on the radio.

So far no packers sighted getting a hot dog & a beer from the 
vendors.

kildare51 posted:

We are spoiled rotten. Very grateful for them.

Remember well the dark ages. The only sliver of light was
 Max & Jim on the radio.

So far no packers sighted getting a hot dog & a beer from the 
vendors.

Ezra Johnson!

MM inherited HOF Bert in full sandlot mode, got him back to playing respectable football and took the Packers deep into the playoffs. 

He then played a vital role in navigating the messy divorce between the organization and Bert, developed AR into an MVP QB and brought the Lombardi back home. 

Its been a rough couple of years and an ugly ending, but I’ll always be grateful for what he did for the organization. 

Thanks Mike!

kildare51 posted:

We are spoiled rotten. Very grateful for them.

Remember well the dark ages. The only sliver of light was
 Max & Jim on the radio.

So far no packers sighted getting a hot dog & a beer from the 
vendors.

Yes we are and I never thought I would see the day that Packers fans acted that way.

Anyhow as Boris said its time for some positives.

I know for me I appreciate every single moment that our team has been excellent.  MM got us a Super Bowl win, 8 straight playoff appearances, multiple division titles, and multiple NFCC game appearances.  Did they come up short? sure but it was pretty damn nice being able to see our team play in many cases in to late January.  Thank you Mike you are a class act who gave us some really good times!

Sure it was time.  For all of us regardless of what we do there will come a time for us to move on.  But, I am not bitter about it I am thankful for it and we all should be.

I thought after the 4th and 23 collapse that I may never see another Packers SB win.  Not just because of that failure but there was something about those late Favre/Sherman teams that always had something wrong about them.  That they just couldn't get over the hump as the team was constructed at that point.  I thought the team and the HOF QB was fading back to obscurity.

A new HC and a couple good drafts later and they were in the NFCC game again.  Farb retires and my expectations were reset very low.  I saw AR in a preseason game his rookie year.  His play on the field was meh and his sideline demeanor looked awful.  I thought the draft pick was a bust. 

From 2009 through 2016 this team has delivered so much more than I could have wildly expected.  Not just the unbelievable run in 2010 as a WC but all the other big games they won.  The team at its peak had guys that you could always count on delivering when they had to.  The many wins vs min, the dominance over the bears, all the late game heroics by AR, Cobb, Jordy, etc.  

MM was as big a part, if not bigger part, of that story.  He gets the blame for much of the last couple years' failure.  That means he gets the credit for all that came before it.  He's earned his place in the Green Bay Packers legend.

Spot on.  McStupidface did a shitton for this organization and deserves the credit.  Thompson as well.  

Capers on the other hand, if anyone deserves to be kicked when they are down...

I liked Mike , but this is a what have you done for me lately world.  I hope he gets a good gig and adds to his successful career.  

Theres been a bit of talk out here about the Denver position.

Cheers to heroes past.  Let's hope for some new ones.

I also liked MM. I felt ARod was the problem in some those losses MM took the heat for. I supported TT, as well, until he started drafting basketball players instead of football players to be Packers--Rollins, Goodson, et.al..I'm sure MM will get snapped up somewhere and I wish him luck wherever he goes. Let's move on, hire a new HC and maybe a new OC and see where that takes us. One thing for sure is that the new HC or OC should know how to use a TE in their offensive scheme.  All the heat is now on Gute and ARod to lead this team back to glory. Murphy will be hiding under his desk if the sh__ hits the fan, now!

Nice piece on MM

I don't think many could argue the kind of man McCarthy is. Clearly seemed to care about the GB community. He, like TT, deserves a place in the Packers HOF

I would list my hatred of Winston Moss ahead of Compers.

How's that for positivity?

I'm positive that this was the right move.   Extremely positive. 

Positive or pawsitive? 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/spor...-harbaugh/ar-BBQrc5G

God please no....Jim H has a shelf life in the NFL, like 4 years max.

Unless they have a plan for year 5 & beyond, hard pass.

I don't think he will want to leave with Meyer retiring. 

Harbaugh had success in SF because SF turned a decade of trash play into a great OL and even better front 7 on defense with a steady flow of top 10 draft picks before Jim arrived. 

No. Thank. You. 

Agreed on a pass of Jim Harbaugh.  He did a great job turning around San Fran... and then he helped sabotage the turnaround with his incendiary personality that burnt all the bridges around him.   I could see Harbaugh and Rodgers both being so competitive they would eventually want to murder and dismember each other I think.

John Harbaugh is a different story.  I think he has a lot of the good qualities of Jim but he's a little more in control of himself and isn't the pain in the ass his brother is.  He probably isn't leaving Baltimore, but if he did come to GB, I would welcome it.

On a side note, I know at one time the Harbaugh's parents were living in the Milwaukee area as recently as 2013 when their dad took the associate AD job at Marquette, but I don't know if they're still around. 

El-Ka-Bong posted:

 

Capers on the other hand, if anyone deserves to be kicked when they are down...

That defense in the 2010 and subsequent Super Bowl was pretty impressive.  

R MaN posted:

El-Ka-Bong posted:

 

Capers on the other hand, if anyone deserves to be kicked when they are down...

That defense in the 2010 and subsequent Super Bowl was pretty impressive.  

Nick Collins and Charles Woodson were the keys to that defense. Capers had success at a lot of places. Every place he had success he had a great safety and great CB play. 

Nick Collins' injury was like Craig Newsome's injury in 1997. They were both freak injuries that prevented the Packers from winning more Super Bowls. 

I would consider the insane Harbaugh on one condition. One of the other teams in the NFC North would need to hire Jim Schwartz as HC for the same number of years. Then I’m all in.  

And another would have to hire Dom Capers.

Guteskoonk is floating fake news out there to throw other teams off the scent. He’s smert.

I have already posted a positive comment on MM. It was included in a complaint about him. Both are true. He will be respected as a man and a coach in my book for some time. Loyalty and respect can be a rare and valuable thing. 

I am personally happy that I don’t have to read any more  posts about his physical appearance. Good grief, just imagine what people could write about any one of our posters appearance? And I put myself at the front of that ugly appearance line.

But then again, we do what we do.

Brainwashed Boris posted:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/spor...-harbaugh/ar-BBQrc5G

God please no....Jim H has a shelf life in the NFL, like 4 years max.

Unless they have a plan for year 5 & beyond, hard pass.

Hardest pass. I’d pick him over Fitzgerald, and. Well Fitzgerald. 

Boris made a very good point about love being related to results and I won't expand on it but I do think a couple of things:

1)  In every competetive activity eventually the message grows old and I think that as much as the dwindling offensive talent doomed M3 this year.

2)  I wonder how #12 will take to the coaching necessary to return him to his expeceted level of play.  I saw an documentary about Holmgren the week before  M3 was fired and  that statement from Holmy about his first job as QB coach for Joe Montana really resonated, and I think it is true.  Just look at the resurection of a "washed up" Favre" when M3 came in and forced him to return to basics.

3) When TT was shown the door I wonder if the power struugle didn't presage that M3 was going to go this year if he didn't win it all!

4)  The perception that 12 got M3 fired I would love to know the truth behind it.

5)  How many people think he might end up in Cleveland in 2019!

One of the best things about MM was that he never trashed a player or coach in the media. Even after the Fail Mary, he got his guys to come out and kick the PAT to respect the game. Fans and the club never had to worry about MM's behavior. Heck, I remember the time GB missed a field goal to win and MM dropped to his knees and later apologized because it wasn't professional. I think MM deserves a lot of respect for his handling of the Favre situation, getting AR to be one of the very best, and in how he conducted himself and expected his team to conduct itself. But, yes, all good things must end and it was time...

As for TT, one of the best early and then became like my favorite jeans: bleached out, worn out, and ready to be put to pasture. 

Awesome. 

Packers players gave Mike McCarthy a standing ovation when he back yesterday to address the team three days after he was fired. "It was warranted and deserved," Clay Matthews said. https://t.co/yT3YmwGQc8

— Rob Demovsky (@RobDemovsky) December 6, 2018

Bah Humbug!

Which did Clay say he deserved, the firing or the standing O?

DH13 posted:

Which did Clay say he deserved, the firing or the standing O?

Clay was pissed McVince subjected them to Moss all those years.

PackerPatrick posted:

I have already posted a positive comment on MM. It was included in a complaint about him. Both are true. He will be respected as a man and a coach in my book for some time. Loyalty and respect can be a rare and valuable thing. 

I am personally happy that I don’t have to read any more  posts about his physical appearance. Good grief, just imagine what people could write about any one of our posters appearance? And I put myself at the front of that ugly appearance line.

But then again, we do what we do.

Seriously, I never got the going after a guy's appearance (unless you look like Opie or wear a dead badger on your head.  I'm criticizing the badger of course).  There's plenty of other pertinent things to discuss.  Let's just stick with funny names that grinds on posters.  

I'm super hot btw.

Smokeshow Henry. He's fabulous!

Who knew?

packerboi posted:

Awesome. 

Packers players gave Mike McCarthy a standing ovation when he back yesterday to address the team three days after he was fired. "It was warranted and deserved," Clay Matthews said. https://t.co/yT3YmwGQc8

— Rob Demovsky (@RobDemovsky) December 6, 2018

Then why the heck didn't the team play like it when MM was on the sideline? 

Say what you want about Ted, MM, Capers, etc....but they brought a 4th Lombardi Trophy to Titletown. Our 13th WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP !!!!! 

For that I say ......Thank You !!!

Henry posted:

 

Seriously, I never got the going after a guy's appearance (unless you look like Opie or wear a dead badger on your head.  I'm criticizing the badger of course). 

Damn it Henry, I'm just home after having surgery, almost blew a stitch when I started laughing after reading this.