Regardless of Farb's silly comments, I'm not so sure Rodgers was ready to step into a championship game in 2007. I've ready numerous accounts of how 'weak' he looked in his first training camp in 05. I saw him at a preseason game vs. TEN that fall. He didn't look any better than Eric Couch at that point, on the field and off. I know he had a complete metamorphosis coming into a following camp (can't recall if that was 06 or 07) but he's come a long way since Cal. Maybe they could have won a SB in 09 (2010) but Farb could have too...
quote:Originally posted by Dr._Bob:
Rodgers on Favre: Favre's retirement should have come sooner.
Hearing the Favre audio on The Big Show today made it all the more telling.
Back-handed compliments of Rodgers and revisionist history. Sad.
One caller noted Joe Montana was upset w/ 49er organization but never made it personal about Steve Young. TOG, not so much.
Brett you pissed away your legacy and time has passed you by-bye.
Back-handed compliments of Rodgers and revisionist history. Sad.
One caller noted Joe Montana was upset w/ 49er organization but never made it personal about Steve Young. TOG, not so much.
Brett you pissed away your legacy and time has passed you by-bye.
quote:And so he just kind of fell into a good situation.
That's the part that bugged me the most. AR was in a really tough situation. He gets drafted by GB and has to learn from a legendary QB that resented him. He had to follow a legend which isn't an easy thing to do. Then he had to lead the team in that circus that was Favres retirement all while bandwagon fans were calling for his failure.
AR deserves all the credit in the world for overcoming all of this. It's an insult to him and his accomplishments to say something like that.
quote:Originally posted by Benzene:quote:And so he just kind of fell into a good situation.
That's the part that bugged me the most.
Because other legendary QBs were so easily replaced in Miami, Denver, Dallas, AZ (and possibly Indy) with no speedbumps.
Favre and Packers losing SB 32 was end of NFC dominance. Now with Rodgers and Packers + Saints and
quote:Originally posted by Henry:quote:Originally posted by LJames:
Yeah I read the piece and thought he was just rambling on and gave some compliments. I still love Favre though, so I don't read everything like some psycho ex or however you guys see this.
And yet you show up just to comment on this thread? Yes, psycho indeed.
Hello, Henry. Psycho? I come here more than the gazette or joursnal sentinel to get articles. I meant no offense, I'm not a wordsmith.
What was your take?
I also think Favre has always been something of a boob. I doubt he became a dumb athlete because of Mike Sherman.
The loss of his moral compass was the biggest factor in his behavioral changes
Irv was the only one he feared
Irv was the only one he feared
He definitely feared and adhered to Irv. He feared Holmy too. The Walrus had his big boot in Brent's ass every single day for years. Brent needed that, as MM also realized. After the monster was let out of its cage, though, FrankenBrent didn't want to be held accountable anymore. Apparently he still doesn't.
The idea that Rodgers was surrounded by incredible talent last season is just plain wrong. He had one Pro Bowl player at the skill positions. Brent had stars all over the place when he won in '96. Levens, Chmura, Jackson, Freeman, Rison. That team also had far and away the best defense in the league. I guess bitterness clouds reality.
quote:Originally posted by Benzene:quote:And so he just kind of fell into a good situation.
That's the part that bugged me the most. AR was in a really tough situation. He gets drafted by GB and has to learn from a legendary QB that resented him. He had to follow a legend which isn't an easy thing to do. Then he had to lead the team in that circus that was Favres retirement all while bandwagon fans were calling for his failure.
AR deserves all the credit in the world for overcoming all of this. It's an insult to him and his accomplishments to say something like that.
Well said Mr. Aromatic and it's just too bad. I have always been a huge Favre fan and wish he just walk away and preserve what legacy he has left.
If Favre and Rodgers had come into the leauge at the same time on the same team...Favre would have been the backup.
I didn't have a problem with what Favre said- I think he was talking about the team last year. The Packers were literally inches from not being in the playoffs at all- I read what he said in that context. That the Packers last year had a great team but were 7-6 and almost failed ot make the playoffs at all.
Jesus, why can't this guy just stfu???
Favre doesn't really bother me anymore. He's out of football and out of the spotlight. He has a job as a commentator for college football, so occasionally things about him, his career or the Packers will be brought up, I'm not forced to listen to him, read about him or really discuss him much anymore. I refuse to listen the some of the same old prognosticators drudging up dumb comparisons and brainless analysis. I've moved on from Favre.
quote:Originally posted by LJames:
I also think Favre has always been something of a boob. I doubt he became a dumb athlete because of Mike Sherman.
No, but Sherman enabled him to this haughty, entitlement attitude (God complex)
quote:Originally posted by Satori:
The loss of his moral compass was the biggest factor in his behavioral changes
Irv was the only one he feared
That's for sure. Hey, want me to Sext you?
Just keep "lil Boris" out of the messages!
Like most, I am pretty tired of what will Brent say or do but it is apparent that he now lives in a bitter little world where he is mostly unloved, fans are ambivalent towards him and he is professionally a joke. He was universally panned in his first appearance as an announcer and the interview he gave must have went on long enough that his bitterly angry ego got the better of the aw shucks image he worked so hard to foster when he was a top player in the league.
His little cheap shots at Rodgers, (just like Deanna and the Thanks Ted T-shirt at the first Packer Viking game) demonstrate to me how much he loathes Rodgers. No question AR probably has similar feelings about Brent but is still grounded enough to maintain a modicum of civility.
I certainly hope the scenario someone above posted with AR at the podium of Super Bowl 46 telling the crowd as MVP I fell into a great situation here and I just wonder why it took so long!
Pack88
His little cheap shots at Rodgers, (just like Deanna and the Thanks Ted T-shirt at the first Packer Viking game) demonstrate to me how much he loathes Rodgers. No question AR probably has similar feelings about Brent but is still grounded enough to maintain a modicum of civility.
I certainly hope the scenario someone above posted with AR at the podium of Super Bowl 46 telling the crowd as MVP I fell into a great situation here and I just wonder why it took so long!
Pack88
quote:Originally posted by Music City:
That the Packers last year had a great team but were 7-6 and almost failed ot make the playoffs at all.
They were never 7-6 last year.
They were 7-3 after beating Bert and the Queens.
Lost to Falcons late on a FG after a Rodgers comeback 7-4.
Beat the Niners 8-4.
Lost Rodgers, lost to the Lions to go 8-5.
Lost to the Patriots without Rodgers to go 8-6.
And then proceeded to run the table.
quote:Originally posted by Boris:
I think around 2000 or so once Sherman enabled him, is when he became a douche
It started under Rhodes, Sherman just let it get out of hand.
Nothing more to see here. Let's move on.
He's seething inside at both the accomplishments of AR and the vindication of TT. He needs to purge the hatred before it consumes him.
i think it started when holmie started letting his eyes wander.
quote:
So. F***kin. Stiff. Animatronics?
quote:Originally posted by Orlando Wolf:
Nothing more to see here. Let's move on.
This!
I have no more energy to spare discussing Brent.
Wow...you should write for a living or something.quote:Originally posted by JJSD:
He definitely feared and adhered to Irv.
My main three points are:
1)Favre is surprised it took Rodgers so long? Go back to the Arizona playoff game. Rodgers was superhuman, but the defense was a sieve. Place the burden of not winning sooner on Rodgers?
2)Team more talented than any other Favre was on? I think 96 and 97 were more talented.
3)Favre appears to have an axe to grind.
1)Favre is surprised it took Rodgers so long? Go back to the Arizona playoff game. Rodgers was superhuman, but the defense was a sieve. Place the burden of not winning sooner on Rodgers?
2)Team more talented than any other Favre was on? I think 96 and 97 were more talented.
3)Favre appears to have an axe to grind.
quote:Originally posted by phaedrus:
3)Favre appears to have an axe to grind.
You think?
No.
"I'm really kind of surprised it was that small," Sterger said.
Stephen A Smith just LIT UP Skip Clueless about this. Skippy, of course, sticks up for Favre and brings up AR's "game losing" turnover against Arizona in the playoffs (failing to mention the 45 points they scored, or all of the turnovers Favre had in clutch situations), but Smith nailed him to the wall. He brought them all up, and called Favre "the biggest media whore in modern times". 
quote:Originally posted by Coach:quote:Originally posted by Music City:
That the Packers last year had a great team but were 7-6 and almost failed ot make the playoffs at all.
They were never 7-6 last year.
They were 7-3 after beating Bert and the Queens.
Lost to Falcons late on a FG after a Rodgers comeback 7-4.
Beat the Niners 8-4.
Lost Rodgers, lost to the Lions to go 8-5.
Lost to the Patriots without Rodgers to go 8-6.
And then proceeded to run the table.
Irony?
quote:Originally posted by fightphoe93:
". . . but something tells me that for all the bad stuff that has come out about him in these past couple years, there probably was ALOT more bad stuff that was kept a secret.
When it came to light that Favre dished to the Lions about the Packer's playbook before a 2008 game, Leroy Butler commented on a Milwaukee sports talk radio show that this "was just the tip of the iceburg" regarding Brent's antics.
He didn't elaborate. However, he did mention that several players from the 1996-97 teams have held various reunions/get togethers over the years---Favre never attended any of them.
His actions speak for themselves. The Packer organization has moved on and done quite well without him. Too bad the same cannot been said about Farve.
Wow. BrINT is really, really bad as a commentator.
Good for him.
Good for him.
Surprising, since he dazzled in "Something About Mary".
quote:Originally posted by antiworst:
Stephen A Smith just LIT UP Skip Clueless about this. Skippy, of course, sticks up for Favre and brings up AR's "game losing" turnover against Arizona in the playoffs (failing to mention the 45 points they scored, or all of the turnovers Favre had in clutch situations), but Smith nailed him to the wall. He brought them all up, and called Favre "the biggest media whore in modern times".
Can't stand any of those ESPN idiots. I may have found a little respect for Stephen A. Smith, though. Didn't Skippy always rag on Favre when he was in Green Bay?
quote:Originally posted by Oldtimer:
He didn't elaborate. However, he did mention that several players from the 1996-97 teams have held various reunions/get togethers over the years---Favre never attended any of them.
I hear Reggie and Wayne Simmons have done the same. So stuck up.
quote:Originally posted by antiworst:
Stephen A Smith just LIT UP Skip Clueless about this. Skippy, of course, sticks up for Favre and brings up AR's "game losing" turnover against Arizona in the playoffs (failing to mention the 45 points they scored, or all of the turnovers Favre had in clutch situations), but Smith nailed him to the wall. He brought them all up, and called Favre "the biggest media whore in modern times".
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_...ay-packers-took-long
There is the video of Bayless and Stephen A debating the Favre issue. I feel exactly the same as Stephen A does, and that rarely happens. I lost all respect for Favre with the crap he pulled in 2008 about coming back and have confirmed this many times with comments Favre has made about Rodgers and the Packers. And his 2 yr stint with the Vikings....completely to stick it to TT (and the attention/$$$, too.). He is a huge media whore.
Favre knew exactly what he was saying and how it would be interpreted. He knew he could backpedal by saying he complimented A-Rod, but it was meant how most are taking it....complete sour grapes.
Bayless...total dick since he started in the media. When I was at SMU, he worked for the Dallas Times Herald and has always voiced a minority opinion about anything and everything. And let you know about it. And forced it down your throat. He is as much a media whore as Favre. And well paid for it, too.