I figured some of these deserved their own thread. The scheme got guys open - it's just that Hundley seems to lack the ability to see them. I'll post some screen grabs and others can add more if they see them.
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Telling that they showed footage of him at UCLA last night. Looks like the same guy. Rodgers, on the other hand, changed his play in a positive direction.
The QB guru has almost three years invested in him. I'm getting some bad flashbacks to Graham Harrell....
As noted in the game thread, I'm not buying the first shot.
What are you not buying? It's a seam throw. The same throw Tom Brady & Rodgers practice & do regularly.
Rodgers mentioned early in his career he spoke with Tom about that specific play & improving his seam throwing.
I get Hundley is no Rodgers or Brady....however....you aren't going to have a WR any more WIDE OPEN than that in the NFL.
He's not good. He's a career backup. I hope he improves & I'm wrong but 3 years invested in a career backup just isn't very good coaching or personnel evaluation.
I'd like to see that play in motion. The OL looks ridiculous to me. I mean Bak is almost ten yards back from Taylor and Bulaga. Those two don't look like they're pass blocking to me. And WTF is Linsley looking at?
Just looks fishy IMO.
I think this is where McClain lights a trail of jet fuel on fire so the OL can see the runway.
Brainwashed Boris posted:What are you not buying? It's a seam throw. The same throw Tom Brady & Rodgers practice & do regularly.
Rodgers mentioned early in his career he spoke with Tom about that specific play & improving his seam throwing.
I get Hundley is no Rodgers or Brady....however....you aren't going to have a WR any more WIDE OPEN than that in the NFL.
He's not good. He's a career backup. I hope he improves & I'm wrong but 3 years invested in a career backup just isn't very good coaching or personnel evaluation.
I don't even think he's a career backup. A career backup is a guy who makes the "easy" throws within the scheme but doesn't necessarily have the talent to execute difficult plays. Matt Flynn makes that throw to Nelson, steps up in the pocket, or throws the wheel route to the back. Matt Flynn didn't have the arm strength to drop a ball in small windows on out routes or in the seam. That's why he wasn't a starter elsewhere. Hundley isn't making many of the easy reads and he isn't physically talented in the way that someone like Michael Vick was who can get away with just relying on athleticism. He's a poor man's Vince Young.
I think he might be a financially solvent man's Spurgeon Wynn.
Here's the wheel route footage from above a few seconds later. If that's Rodgers Cobb probably has a TD.
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Video of Jordy running open (still in second post).
I'll save you the click, you can view it here:
Brutal. pic.twitter.com/UvJvuyjrBg
— Aaron Nagler (@AaronNagler) November 7, 2017
Kendricks should have taken his block outside, save Jones.
The still crops out the CB trailing 87 to his left. Still an easy 6 for an NFL QB.
Brainwashed Boris posted:
He's not good. He's a career backup. I hope he improves & I'm wrong but 3 years invested in a career backup just isn't very good coaching or personnel evaluation.
A backup what? FFS, this is the NFL, even backups have to be able to hit someone THAT wide open.
I stand corrected your honor.
It's just brutal - This is the same $#!T we've seen from him since the Saints game.
I would say let the Joe Callahan era begin, but I know MM has too much of the old P'burgh 'Cho stored up to willingly admit any sort of defeat. The Sons of the Monongahela ain't built that way.
Pulling Hundley is a lose-lose proposition. On hand, it admits he was rong about him. On the other, if Callahan fails, then he was rong about him too, and there is no plan C.
Of course not, McCarthy numbers his plans.
packerboi posted:I'll save you the click, you can view it here:
Brutal. pic.twitter.com/UvJvuyjrBg
— Aaron Nagler (@AaronNagler) November 7, 2017
This is the play that Gruden ripped on Jones. While it wasn't perfect blocking, he chipped the pass rusher enough to allow time for the pass to get off. Hundley got happy feet immediately and didn't even look to throw.
I really want to pull for Hundley, but man, 3 years in the system and you should be way better than what we've seen. 
It should be "Read-React." With Hundley, that play looks like "Read-Flee." It seems like he looks right at Jordy, and just gets too scared by footsteps to let it go. Does Hundley have the ability to stand in the pocket and take a hit? If not, he's not an NFL QB.
Feeling pressure when none is there has been the problem since he took over.
oh wow
— Eric Edholm (@Eric_Edholm) November 7, 2017
from TD to sack pic.twitter.com/ivcOvIvaor
Brak posted:Boy. That's bad. Thanks.
Brak, you had me convinced. Wow! Looked to me a star receiver getting open for another TD.
packerboi posted:I'll save you the click, you can view it here:
Brutal. pic.twitter.com/UvJvuyjrBg
— Aaron Nagler (@AaronNagler) November 7, 2017
When I watch this play again, it doesn't even look like Hundley looks up at the routes. He's more interested in not getting hit than finding a receiver. Jordy wide open down the middle? This is a play that every other QB would be drooling to see...
WEAKNESSES: Poor pocket awareness and presence, struggling to decipher and recognize pressures...drops his eyes early and allows defenders to disrupt his tempo, struggling to manage the pocket and stare down the gun barrel, especially with interior pressures...too easily rattled and doesn't play with consistent confidence in the pocket...needs to develop his internal clock, holding the ball too long and allowing the pocket to swallow him up.
What we're seeing from Hundley was the knock on him coming out of UCLA.
....and 3 years in Mr QB guru couldn't cure him of those issues.
"The QB room is fine!" -
The only thing that can cure it, is live game action. Sitting in a QB room and practice does not simulate live action.
And remember going into the game the rap on the Lions DL was few sacks. Two in the previous two games I believe.
The troubling thing for me is that based on how Hundley has performed, so far, how did MM and TT think they were going to get draft picks for him in a trade? Looks like wishful thinking, to me.
Hundley did exactly what NFL teams would hope a backup quarterback would do in his situation on Monday night. 86.0 quarterback rating, 0 interceptions, 0 fumbles. Worst number was 3 sacks but on 2 of them he was moving forward so the three sacks only totaled a loss of 12 yards. He missed some reads but still completed nearly 70% of his passes and was responsible for zero turnovers. That's decent backup quarterback stuff there. Manage the game and don't completely screw it up. The reason the Packers could play .500 football with Matt Flynn a few years ago wasn't because Flynn was a great quarterback, but because he was a solid backup quarterback with a good surrounding cast. That's not the case with Hundley. His running backs aren't as good, the offensive line isn't as good, and the defense can't defend the pass at all (can't cover and can't create pressure, they are just awful). Maybe the Packers could have out-gunned the Lions with the league's best talent at quarterback, but even with an average starting NFL quarterback the Packers had very little chance of winning this game. If the Packers started putting up points then Caldwell would have likely just said "forget the running game" and would have let Stafford/Jones/Tate bomb this defense. Stafford had a QB rating of 132.4 in this ballgame, and there is little doubt the Lions probably could have hung 40+ on the Packers if they would have wanted too.
Also hate the way McCarthy started the game with 4 Aaron Jones runs in the first 11 plays and 8 of those 11 snaps were taken with Hundley under center. The team went down the field and botched the field goal, no fault of the offense. But Jones' fourth carry was as 8:48 of the first quarter. The next time a running back got a handoff (not counting the gadgets to Davis/Cobb) was a Montgomery carry with 2:04 left in the second quarter. So with the backup quarterback in, McCarthy somehow made the decision to go 21+ minutes in the first half without a "traditional" running play. Also, after the first drive Hundley was in the shotgun on 20 of the next 25 plays. Great way to help out a backup quarterback, abandon the running game and completely telegraph to the defense that you want to pass, pass, pass.