What the fuck is going on with Holiday? I mean, Bledsoe would be better at this point.
What did they think? They were going to quit? Well, they started going one on one and early shots… now their lead is gone.
@Music City posted:What did they think? They were going to quit? Well, they started going one on one and early shots… now their lead is gone.
The offense in the first quarter was mainly Middleton beating guys in isolation and Giannis beating guys in isolation. They were great, but no one else got into any rhythm. I wonder what the NBA record is for point swing within a game. The Bucks were up 21, but I wouldn't be surprised if they lost by 30.
Dumb challenge. He clearly slapped him hard on the forearm. Giannis will be lucky to hit the rim on his FTs anyway.
Stupid challenge… hit his arm. Griffin is a fucking dipshit, never thinks he fouls anyone.
Giannis is a complete head case. Down to 5. If Giannis hit's his FTs it's still double digits.
Middleton and Giannis have all but 2 points.
The Bucks have scored 3 points in the last 7 and a half minutes.
@Music City posted:So fucking stupid…
Tell him to take the fucking ball and shoot it. No more of this drama shit. No more 3s.
@MichiganPacker2 posted:The Bucks have scored 3 points in the last 7 and a half minutes.
Badgerish
It's been multiple years now. No team with Giannis as the #1 guy is going to win deep in the playoffs. He's a complete head case. He needs a shrink.
The Bucks deserve every bit of this embarrassment. Every minute of it. No one can understand why they do what they do… no one likes the way they play… there’s nothing about it a smart team cannot just counter with a few simple moves.
25 for 50 from the line with 2 10-second violations.
3 for 28 from the 3-point line.
That's Giannis in the playoffs this year.
Giannis can't even hit layups the last quarter and a half. The FT issues have really affected his finishing too.
We are about one 3 minute Durant/Irving stretch of normal play from the Nets putting the Bucks out of their misery.
How many times are they going to let Kevin Durant go off of screens for wide open shots?
Other than Khris Middleton shots and Giannis shots inside the 3-point arc, the Bucks are 4 for 23.
The Bucks offense is literally just MIddleton making contested shots or Giannis getting to the rim.
Well, stupid basketball doesn’t win championships. Got it… ok…
That sequence sums up the Bucks in this series. Lack of hustle and give up 3 offensive rebounds.
@MichiganPacker2 posted:25 for 50 from the line with 2 10-second violations.
3 for 28 from the 3-point line.
That's Giannis in the playoffs this year.
Someone else said it before, but whoever's idea it is/was to have Giannis hold the ball so long on his FT attempts should be fired on the spot. Christ, get the ball from the ref, one dribble, set, shoot.
@Cheezers posted:Someone else said it before, but whoever's idea it is/was to have Giannis hold the ball so long on his FT attempts should be fired on the spot. Christ, get the ball from the ref, one dribble, set, shoot.
That was me in a previous thread. It's exactly the opposite of what a guy in his position should be doing. He's freezing up. The longer you hold the ball the worse that gets.
Good for Tucker… you don’t let Durant talk shit.
Make up call on the Middleton shot.
Have the Bucks run an offensive play the last 10 minutes that didn't end up with Middleton taking a contested shot? They have nothing else.
They need Thanasis earlier. He may not be very talented, but he isn't scared.
The Bucks scored 30 points in the first 10:30 of the game.
They've scored 37 points in the last 25:30.
Will they hit 90 for the game? I'll say no.
@Music City posted:Best defensive sequence of the night…
If Portis, Forbes, and Connaughton aren't hitting shots I guess you need to play Thanasis more minutes. At least he's going to hustle, get rebounds, and he's not a complete defensive liability. He might as well be out there not scoring if those other guys aren't going to score.
Behind again, as Holiday gets toasted again.
And, now we get another Giannis FT adventure.
Giannis has 31 and 11 with 9 minutes left and I'd say he's played terrible. Am I that jaded, or is this the correct take?
@Music City posted:An airball… a fucking airball…
And then a shot clock violation.
Nets are shooting 36%, 28 of 78, snd only down 4.
Are we sure we still don't have Bledsoe? He'd be upgrade over Holiday.
@MichiganPacker2 posted:Giannis has 31 and 11 with 9 minutes left and I'd say he's played terrible. Am I that jaded, or is this the correct take?
5 turnovers, 1 for 7 from 3, and 4 of 9 from the line. He hasn’t played well.
Bucks with 7 points in the 4th quarter.
A Connaughton putback after an air ball from Forbes lands in his hands.
A pair of Giannis FTs (always an adventure) after a very poor offensive set ends with him taking a double-teamed 10 footer.
A Giannis 3 pointer.
Literally, none of those are good possessions. Even when they've scored, they've looked terrible.
Gawd this is an overall turible game by both teams. But this is the kind of game home court advantage should help a team win easy. The bucks just play scared, only giannis and Middleton shoot and virtually nothing from anyone else.
Giannis is playing really tight. He's got points, but he's so nervous he's tripping over his feet quite often.
G and M have 60 of 76 points. This is an everyone else problem.
@Sufferinginmn posted:G and M have 60 of 76 points. This is an everyone else problem.
Giannis may be playing the worst I've ever seen a player play and get almost 40 points.
Yep, where is ball movement from the heat series.
Jeff Van Gundy should just say they should fire Bud and he should take over for Game 4. He's almost there on some of these comments.
Did I say last week that NBA basketball is the best I’ve seen. What a moron I am. This shit is unwatchable.
What a frustrating game to watch. The Bucks have no ball movement at all.
@Sufferinginmn posted:G and M have 60 of 76 points. This is an everyone else problem.
Not exactly an efficient 60 points.
If you take out Middleton and Giannis' shots inside the 3-point line, the Bucks are 8 for 41 from the field.
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We beat the heat the same way you beat the nets...Forbes, connington, Portis, lopez...all contribute offensively. What happened to that?
Durant has decided to win the game now.
Just fire Bud after this game. No reason to see him get credit for the sweep
Could you imagine the nets with Hardin?
The Bucks totally deserve this. The front office deserves it. The coaching staff deserves it. They have a superstar and all the talent they need and they’re failing because the other team knows what they’re doing and they don’t.
I know it was the heat of the moment, but you get a rebound and you throw it to Giannis with 2.8 seconds? Lucky they had a foul to give.
I don't care what anyone else says, but bud can't win this series hanging it around G and M. We have to win with ball movement and getting others guys shooting and offensive rebounding.
You guys are fun to read during games.
Khris Middleton
44 minutes, 35 points, 15 rebounds. 3 for 6 from the three-point line. 8 for 9 from the line. He didn't have many easy looks all night.
The rest of the team was 3 for 25 from the 3-point line and 4 for 10 from the line. Many of those 3s were wide open.
But this is just charity unless they go back to Brooklyn 2-2…
@Tschmack posted:How is not a goddamn foul
I agree with you, but did you really want Giannis at the line with under a minute left down 1?
@Blair Kiel posted:You guys are fun to read during games.
I've never wanted to fire a coach after a win before. The Nets have a bunch of guys that are average defenders at best and don't necessarily move laterally very well (Griffin, Durant with a repaired Achilles, Harris, etc.). So, knowing that you design an offense that lets them stand around stationary for as much as possible?
The Bucks only win close playoff games if Khris Middleton bails them out. Every one of his shots feels like it has to be exhausting for him.
Get the Nets moving on defense.
@MichiganPacker2 posted:I feel like I just watched a Dick Bennett Wisconsin game.
Perfect analogy.
Greg Gard is a genious compared to Budencrappenholzer.
They have not shot the ball well yet in any of these three games. It’s not like a lot of them have been contested either.
The bench, Lopez, Tucker and Holiday have also given them basically nothing offensively.
The half glass full person would say they are due. They had to get this one. It is possible this is Toronto 2019? The comparisons are eerie. Brooklyn should have won this game, much like Milwaukee should have won game 3 against the Raptors.
We’ll find out soon enough. My concern is Bud is no Nick Nurse.
The Bucks going iso-heavy and no movement creates no flow, no rhythm… that’s why Connaughton airballed an open 3. He has no rhythm because it’s been all iso. No one is going to consistently hit shots if they never move and don’t ever touch the ball.
That’s how you neutralize a bench disadvantage. The Bucks have had the better bench all season, but you’d never know it. P&r iso bullshit every possession and there’s no chance they’ll be able to contribute.
@Tschmack posted:We’ll find out soon enough. My concern is Bud is no Nick Nurse.
He’s a poor man’s Scott Brooks…
@Music City posted:He’s a poor man’s Scott Brooks…
As we've all said many times, the parallels between Bud and Mike McCarthy are eerie. If you want someone to provide stability to a chaotic organization, Bud's your guy. Jason Kidd's schemes made no sense against anyone. Bud's schemes are solid enough to win against 2/3rds of the teams in the league. It's basically just line up and expect your guys to win matchups and force the other team to make outside shots. That's fine against this years Orlando Magic and Chicago Bulls in March. It's not a great idea (usually) against Kevin Durant, Duncan Robinson, Fred Van Vliet, Kyle Lowry, etc. in the playoffs.
It's exactly the mindest of Mike McCarthy. Line your WRs up and let them win matchups. There's no scheming guys open by McCarthy just like there's no scheming easy shots in the halfcourt by Bud. Imagine if Khris Middleton got to shoot catch and shoot 3s like Klay Thompson? Almost every playoff game against a good team in the Bud era that comes down the 4th quarter requires Khris Middleton to play like Michael Jordan in the halfcourt. Middleton is a great shooter, but he doesn't have the athleticism to create easy looks in the halfcourt. Kevin Durant is a top 10 offensive player in NBA history but even Nash has him coming off ball screen and he ends up shooting pullups over guys who are on their heels. Middleton gets the ball and bumps a guy 5 times to try to create some separation to get off a good shot. Give the guy some help. Run multiple screens for him. Let Holiday go in the pick and roll with Giannis and have Middleton spot up.
@MichiganPacker2 posted:Khris Middleton
44 minutes, 35 points, 15 rebounds. 3 for 6 from the three-point line. 8 for 9 from the line. He didn't have many easy looks all night.
The rest of the team was 3 for 25 from the 3-point line and 4 for 10 from the line. Many of those 3s were wide open.
I’m still not forgiving him for the first two games that amounted to a shit sandwich.
Let’s see how he plays in the next two games.
BTW, I am really disappointed in Holiday. But I’m more disappointed in Giannis. We won, but does anybody think this team is a threat to do anything from here on out? This team, and most of all, our 2x MVP, have no mental toughness at all. The damned hoop doesn’t move when you shoot free throws. How the hell can any player in the NBA not but at least 70% from the line?
I have to wonder if it’s not the players feeling added pressure because of the fundamental failures of Bud. They can’t count on the HC to put them in a position to win. They have to do it themselves, and they’re not up to the task.
I like the comp to McCarthy. Only, McCarthy won a Super Bowl before he was booted out of Green Bay. Yes, Rodgers played at a really high level, but he wasn’t yet the league MVP. That first award came the next season. Bud has the 2x MVP and DPoY, and two middle tier All Stars in Middleton and Holiday. I think this team has woefully underperformed given the talent level on this team. We’re a much better defensive team than Brooklyn. That’s not showing on the floor.
My Lakers took a dump. The Bucks look about to. I guess I'll have to pull for the local Suns....
Such horrible shooting, all around. Holliday missing how many toilet seaters???? It was probably only a few, but it seemed like a lot. Same with Middleton when he went cold. Then he hit two in a row, late in the fourth quarter, and Holliday makes the game winner, on a lay up. Lopez had next to no offense but he did show up on defense. Our passing has to improve. Middleton threw a few away while the guys he passed to looked off balance. Then, there was the turnover where he tripped over Giannis at the top of the key that reminded me of some kind of klutzy high school ball player. Clean up the crap and let's tie it up at 2 apiece. I was hoping Tucker would have gotten into it with Durant. He would have been ejected, etc., but it would have been something to see Durant laid out at FiServ. Of course, it would have then been open season on the Bucks when we went back to NY.
Honestly, other than game 2 against the Nets, their defense has been pretty damn good throughout the playoffs.
It’s the offense that’s the problem and MC and MP2 nailed it- too much iso one on one ball which plays right into Brooklyn’s strategy. The Bucks can’t simply trade jump shots with the Nets. KD is the best offensive player on the planet and Harris and Irving are decent shooters and scorers as well.
The only reliable (shooting) guy on Milwaukee is Middleton. But it doesn’t have to be like that. Milwaukee has options.
The Bucks are so much better in the front court (both ends of the floor) but if all you are going to do is iso and Jack up outside shots they will not win this series.
They need Giannis and Lopez down on the block. Let Holiday and to a lesser extent Middleton set up the offense. The Nets cannot stop the Bucks in the paint. Make guys like KD and Griffin actually play defense. Portis is another guy that has a very good post game. You start forcing the Nets to defend the entire half court and it will open up more outside shots like we saw against Miami.
The fact that Giannis took almost 10 3pt attempts tells you all you need to know about how screwed up their schemes are right now. Get his ass on the block and make multiple defenders commit so he can pass out to the open guy. Giannis is a really good passer. Play to his strengths. Enough of the Giannis playing PG bullshit.