Bucks vs. Bulls, November 30th

@Boris posted:

Seah Rhyan syndrome. Better player doesn't get to play..... IDK why?!?🤷‍♂️ Every time I see Jackson in he looks like he's playing pretty well

Jackson was ruled out last night because his back tightened up in the second half, so maybe he would have gotten more minutes had he been available.

I do think the Beauchamp minutes need to end. Neither Jackson nor Beauchamp is ever going to be a good enough shooter to consistently help on offense during crunch time, but Jackson has a great feel for the game in terms of passing and cutting that Beauchamp just doesn't have. Jackson was the best player on a national title team in college despite averaging 7 points a game. He has a bit of a Draymond Green vibe to him (actual basketball skills, not personality) in that everything seems to look more organized when he's out there. He is probably their best on-ball defender as well.

Beauchamp is just the latest in the line of Thon Maker, DJ Wilson, Sterling Brown, Jordan Nwora, etc. They draft these guys, then talk them up like they are going to be major contributors, but they just aren't ever going to be rotation players. The only draft picks in the last 10 years that are decent NBA players are Brogdon and DDV. DDV is actually exactly what they need right now - a relatively cheap guard who can provide some resistance on the ball but also be enough of a threat at the 3 point line to provide spacing. He's basically another Connaughton, but that's more valuable than having Beauchamp or Payne out there. The Knicks aren't going to trade him, but the combined salaries of Payne, Beauchamp, and AJ Green would be more than enough to get him.

These other guys eventually leave the Bucks as trade fillers and then are out of the league in another year or two. That will be Beauchamp. If you can't look good playing alongside Giannis, Dame, Brook, and Middleton and getting wide open shots when are you going to look good?

@MichiganPacker posted:

The only draft picks in the last 10 years that are decent NBA players are Brogdon and DDV.

Well then, it’s a good thing that we have like zero draft picks until Haley’s Comet returns. 😉

@lambeausouth posted:

Well then, it’s a good thing that we have like zero draft picks until Haley’s Comet returns. 😉

Obviously the Bucks have not relied on the draft to build their roster since hitting the equivalent of a multi-billion dollar lottery getting Giannis with the 15th pick of the 2013 draft.

The Bucks are 8 deep when they get to the playoffs (maybe 9 if you count Cam Payne).

Middleton was a throw-in during the Jennings trade in 2013. Lopez, Connaughton, and Portis were all cheap free agents who completely changed their career trajectories by signing with the Bucks (and playing with Giannis and, to a lesser extend, Middleton). Beasley and Crowder (and maybe Payne) are solid role players on minimum deals. That's literally their whole rotation other than Dame.

Dame was the result of packaging about 10 years of picks and progressively trading off some good to average players (Greg Monroe, George Hill, Malcolm Brogdon, Grayson Allen) over the last 6-7 years to progressively go from Bledsoe to Holiday to Lillard.

If you have a superstar player that makes your floor about 40 wins, your picks mean almost nothing in the big picture. You have just as good a chance to draft an all-star in the second round as you do after about pick 20 in the first.

Sure, one of the picks you give up might end up being the next Jokic, but those types are just lucky picks. If the Nuggets knew he was going to be that good, they'd have taken him earlier (they took Doug McDermott 11th overall the same year they picked Jokic in the first round).

https://medium.com/@burakcanko...ft-pick-2d113d6b82e5

@MichiganPacker posted:

I know I'd like to rather trade Adrian Griffin for Terry Stotts right now than trade Portis, but Giannis wanted Adrian Griffin so they have Adrian Griffin.

So, legitimate question here, is Giannis becoming Aaron Rodgers, he gets his guys or else I may go elsewhere?

@ammo posted:

So, legitimate question here, is Giannis becoming Aaron Rodgers, he gets his guys or else I may go elsewhere?

His brother has played for the Bucks for the last 5 years, so at some level, yes.

The difference with Giannis is that they did what he wanted and then he extended his contract.

Also, he requested they keep trying to compete at the highest levels and they went out and got Jrue Holiday and then Dame Lillard. Rodgers wanted teams to sign Allan Lazard, washed-up Randall Cobb, Tim Boyle, and probably "1 game a year" Bakh next.