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Timpranillo posted:A Fade is literally like 1 step and throw. ZERO chance of a sack. Let Kelce jump for it.
Reid is a coward.
Also, we heard all year that Mahomes is mature way beyond his age. Can he not be trusted to understand that a sack loses the game? It's all hindsight, but I thought in that moment they might try to get TWO more snaps- didn't they stop the clock or hurry the snap or something? I'm not gonna bash the decision, but I wonder if Andy thought it through at all. If you have a chance to keep Brady off the field, possibly win the game, would you take a shot or not?
IMO, they flubbed when they called the TO after getting that last 1st down.
There was (I think) 16 seconds left, and could've been spiked with 9 or 10 seconds left and saved the TO.
Should've been enough time for 1 or 2 plays, plus TO is saved for FG attempt, if needed.
bdplant posted:Reid had the best QB in the league this season and he couldn’t get it done. He should be fired immediately.
No, he just has to do about 4 or 5 more times first while expecting Mahomes to cover for shitty assistants and bad management while he goes into a chickenshit, yes man shell.
McShellshocked. Andy sure McVinced the **** out of that game. Hey! They are exactly alike.
goff was shell-shocked all game. this is going to be a bb special, they are going to throw the kitchen sink at this kid, and i dont' think bb is going to make coaching mistakes like payton did. gd i hate the patriots.
artis posted:Timpranillo posted:A Fade is literally like 1 step and throw. ZERO chance of a sack. Let Kelce jump for it.
Reid is a coward.
Also, we heard all year that Mahomes is mature way beyond his age. Can he not be trusted to understand that a sack loses the game? It's all hindsight, but I thought in that moment they might try to get TWO more snaps- didn't they stop the clock or hurry the snap or something? I'm not gonna bash the decision, but I wonder if Andy thought it through at all. If you have a chance to keep Brady off the field, possibly win the game, would you take a shot or not?
NE knew that KC could not risk throwing the ball anywhere other than the end zone & flooded the EZ with defenders. Any throw into the EZ would be of great risk to be intercepted, especially since the defenders there did not have to go back on the ball, they could see the ball in front of them and attack it. No, you have a 50% of getting the ball first in OT, you have a VERY slim chance of scoring a TD with a throw to EZ in that situation & an equal chance of throwing an Int.
pkr_north posted:goff was shell-shocked all game. this is going to be a bb special, they are going to throw the kitchen sink at this kid, and i dont' think bb is going to make coaching mistakes like payton did. gd i hate the patriots.
That’s why a Saints/Pats or K.C./Rams Super Bowl would’ve been fun. I think the Rams get run out of the building.
Best matchup will be Donald and LA DL vs. NE OL. That's where the game will be won/lost. Brady's been polishing his nails all season in the fortress of solitude he calls a pocket. Donald could be his kryptonite if the rest of the LA D can disrupt WR's enough to take away Brady's quick throws.
My prediction is the competition committee will alter the replay rules to add “penalty” challenges—say two per game— to prevent the two most egregious errors—the Rams non-PI call and the bogus roughing the passer call on the Chiefs that really helped the Patriots on that drive.
Sufferinginmn posted:I'm sure someone posted this already, but what is our draft position now with the saints loss?
30
DH13 posted:Best matchup will be Donald and LA DL vs. NE OL. That's where the game will be won/lost. Brady's been polishing his nails all season in the fortress of solitude he calls a pocket. Donald could be his kryptonite if the rest of the LA D can disrupt WR's enough to take away Brady's quick throws.
NE O-line was impressive yesterday in both run & pass. Their starting 5 consists of 1 Third , 1 Fourth, 1 Fifth, 1 Seventh round pick, & an UDFA.
FLPACKER posted:NE knew that KC could not risk throwing the ball anywhere other than the end zone & flooded the EZ with defenders. Any throw into the EZ would be of great risk to be intercepted, especially since the defenders there did not have to go back on the ball, they could see the ball in front of them and attack it. No, you have a 50% of getting the ball first in OT, you have a VERY slim chance of scoring a TD with a throw to EZ in that situation & an equal chance of throwing an Int.
Mahomes INT rate this year was 2%. The odds of NE, which had just marched twice down the field for TDs, would get the ball in OT against your shit defense was 50%.
Great math there Reid. I mean, sure you never touched the ball again, but at least you didn’t take an infinitesimal risk to, you know, try to make the Super Bowl. Better to be safe than sorry.
Bellichek is going to own McVay's ass in the Super Bowl. It will be a humbling experience for McVay and especially so for Goff. New Orleans' defense rattled Goff. NE's defense are licking their chops. I will be rooting for the Rams, but I think this game may already be over.
michiganjoe posted:KC defender doesn't line up offside and they're going to the Super Bowl. Right up there with Bostick's gaffe.
and he was lined up over the LOS at least two feet! How can anyone screw that up in such a big game?
Depends on what NE D has cooked up for stopping the run. Goff won't have to do as much if Gurley and Anderson get untracked. They were a bit stunted vs. NO's #1 D but ran roughshod over DAL's #5 D. NE's run D was #11 in the regular season but like NE, they seemed to have turned it up in the post season.
No amount of prep is going to prepare Goff for handling what Belichick throws at him in the passing game. LA needs to spend every practice snap over the next 2 wks on their run game.
If LA D can keep NE O to long 12 play drives and then run the ball on schedule on O, they can win.
Timpranillo posted:FLPACKER posted:NE knew that KC could not risk throwing the ball anywhere other than the end zone & flooded the EZ with defenders. Any throw into the EZ would be of great risk to be intercepted, especially since the defenders there did not have to go back on the ball, they could see the ball in front of them and attack it. No, you have a 50% of getting the ball first in OT, you have a VERY slim chance of scoring a TD with a throw to EZ in that situation & an equal chance of throwing an Int.
Mahomes INT rate this year was 2%. The odds of NE, which had just marched twice down the field for TDs, would get the ball in OT against your shit defense was 50%.
Great math there Reid. I mean, sure you never touched the ball again, but at least you didn’t take an infinitesimal risk to, you know, try to make the Super Bowl. Better to be safe than sorry.
It was 2% when you didn't HAVE to throw it in an area 10 yards X 53 yards with 6 defenders in it from 30 + yards away.
He also threw up that prayer that should have been picked in the EZ. That would have ended the game right there.
Has anyone seen the missed call in the New Orleans game yet today? I thought for sure it would get more media coverage.
Crappy feeling after yesterday.
I wanted the Rams, but that non-call is just too brutal. I think NFL headquarters should be given the authority to contact any game for plays so egregious the outcome may be impacted. Of course, have the local crew decide, but they need to be ordered to do so,
As to the AFC game, just so sick and tired of the Pats and wish that guy wasn't offsides. Game over and no Pats.
FLPACKER posted:Timpranillo posted:FLPACKER posted:NE knew that KC could not risk throwing the ball anywhere other than the end zone & flooded the EZ with defenders. Any throw into the EZ would be of great risk to be intercepted, especially since the defenders there did not have to go back on the ball, they could see the ball in front of them and attack it. No, you have a 50% of getting the ball first in OT, you have a VERY slim chance of scoring a TD with a throw to EZ in that situation & an equal chance of throwing an Int.
Mahomes INT rate this year was 2%. The odds of NE, which had just marched twice down the field for TDs, would get the ball in OT against your shit defense was 50%.
Great math there Reid. I mean, sure you never touched the ball again, but at least you didn’t take an infinitesimal risk to, you know, try to make the Super Bowl. Better to be safe than sorry.
It was 2% when you didn't HAVE to throw it in an area 10 yards X 53 yards with 6 defenders in it from 30 + yards away.
Yes. Andy Reid has had his game management problems, but not yesterday. The challenge flag he threw cost him a timeout, but that was a challenge you make every time because it was a tossup call (the replay didn't confirm a catch- just that the play stood). '
As you say he had to throw it in the end zone.
On the OT drive, the Chiefs had the Patriots 3rd and 10 3 times.
The Patriots had to win the coin toss, convert 3rd and 10 three times, and score a TD and not a FG. I'd take that over having Mahomes go Favre (circa 1999-2006) and try to throw it through 4 guys when a FG gets you to OT at home.
Blame the defenses inability to generate pressure on an immobile QB three times on that drive in obvious passing situations.
FLPACKER posted:It was 2% when you didn't HAVE to throw it in an area 10 yards X 53 yards with 6 defenders in it from 30 + yards away.
And yet, 1st down and 16 seconds left they took that same supposedly HUGE RISK of when they "HAD to throw it in an area 10 yards X 53 yards with 6 defenders in it from 30 + yards away" OMG HOW WASN'T IT PICKED MAN??????
Why is 2nd down and 11 seconds left different? Hell, using your "logic" Reid shoulda kicked a FG on 1st down and 16 seconds cuz OMG the league MVP might I don't know throw a pick against 6 DBS!!!!!!!eleventy!!!one!!!?!
But again, better to to play for OT and pin your hopes on a coin flip and hope that your shit defense stops the best QB of all time that had just shredded your gassed D for 2 straight TD drives
Great call.
Not to mention that if Dee Ford had not joined up offsides they would have won. Of course some of our more brilliant minds will insist that Reid TOLD him to lineup offsides.
mrtundra posted:Bellichek is going to own McVay's ass in the Super Bowl. It will be a humbling experience for McVay and especially so for Goff. New Orleans' defense rattled Goff. NE's defense are licking their chops. I will be rooting for the Rams, but I think this game may already be over.
If it was just one week, the Rams would have more of a chance. However, give Belichick two weeks and he'll devise things that no one has ever seen before. They stop the run game and force Goff to beat them downfield.
The 2002 Super Bowl featured the Greatest show on turf Rams against the Patriots and we know how that turned out. The Rams had multiple HOFers on that team. Warner, Faulk, Orlando Pace (a top 5 LT in history), and Aeneas Williams on that team. Tory Holt and Isaac Bruce may make it in some day.
How many HOFers did the Patriots have on that team? NONE so far. Obviously Brady is a first ballot guy, but no one else is in yet. Vinatieri is the only other sure thing. Maybe Ty Law gets in some day and Richard Seymour will get consideration. But that Pats team beat a Rams team with a lot more talent with a QB that had only started about 12 games.
MichiganPacker posted:The Patriots had to win the coin toss, convert 3rd and 10 three times, and score a TD and not a FG. I'd take that over having Mahomes go Favre (circa 1999-2006) and try to throw it through 4 guys when a FG gets you to OT at home.
And, interestingly enough, you both have the same number of SB wins. Weird.
And great call comparing a guy that only once in his career, at age 40, had a lower INT rate than 23 year old Mahomes. EXACT SAME PLAYER THAT BOTH THREW A TON OF PICKS!
Patrick Mahomes 2018 Red Zone Stats
70/108
514 yards
37 TDs
1 INT
You can't risk letting that guy throw it with the Super Bowl on the line man. You just can't!
You just don't get situational football do you? In the Red Zone the defense has to play the run in addition to the pass ..... the Pats did not have to play anything but the end zone, it would have been foolish to throw it in there, I don't think any coach in the NFL would have. I may be wrong but Tony Romo, who was calling the right play all night long & is not afraid to disagree with decisions, was not questioning the decision was he?
FLPACKER posted:You just don't get situational football do you? In the Red Zone the defense has to play the run in addition to the pass ..... the Pats did not have to play anything but the end zone, it would have been foolish to throw it in there, I don't think any coach in the NFL would have. I may be wrong but Tony Romo, who was calling the right play all night long & is not afraid to disagree with decisions, was not questioning the decision was he?
Again, I'll ask and wait for your answer
The situational football on 1st down and 16 seconds left with no timeouts was exactly the same as the situational football on 2nd down and 11 seconds left and no timeouts.
What exactly was different such that you aren't bitching that they should have kicked on 1st down? What was fundamentally different on 2nd down with 11 seconds vs 1st down with 16? Neither situation had a threat of the time running out. So, what's different?
Corner fade to Kelce. Either he gets it or no one does.
Reid said in his presser that he wanted to see how Pats were going to play defensively, when Mahones saw them in prevent he threw it away, that is when he decided to kick .... I believe that is the same thing Romo said, you make sure that the opponents does not make a huge mistake by not playing prevent & then if they play it as they should you kick it. Either way, you do not throw it in the end zone vs. prevent defense in that situation.
phaedrus posted:Corner fade to Kelce. Either he gets it or no one does.
Yes, they would have run that if the ball was inside the 5 yard line every time,but from the 30 with 6 defenders in the end zone not having to back up, but rather go forward to attack the ball, any throw in the end zone was very risky. The longer the ball is in the air, the more time the defense has to react to it.
Timpranillo posted:Belichick would have thrown with 11 seconds left.
Belichick would have done the same thing Reid did. See if the defense would make a mistake and, if not, throw it away.
If any coach wanted to be ultra-aggressive in that situation, instead of throwing it over everyone's head you might have thrown an out to gain another 8-10 yards and then have a better throw to the end zone from closer for one more play. Obviously, the risk is the guy is not going to get out of bounds and the game is over.
If you wanted to completely go for broke, then maybe you design a pattern to catch it short of the goal line and take your chances on the guy breaking a tackle and getting in. Then, this comes into play.
Timpranillo posted:Patrick Mahomes 2018 Red Zone Stats
70/108
514 yards
37 TDs
1 INTYou can't risk letting that guy throw it with the Super Bowl on the line man. You just can't!
Technically, he wasn't in the red zone on that pass - it was at the 21. But, obviously that's splitting hairs, so we'll assume it is in the red zone for this discussion.
Mahomes has great red zone stats, but those stats aren't that relevant to the situation. Those stats are based on the run game being a threat -there was zero chance of a run, so there is no play action. They were at the 21. They could have run a draw where no one touches the back until 10 yards down the field and the Patriots still would have that covered.
Also, he absolutely had to throw it into the end zone. he couldn't throw it 5 yards short and let the guy try to run in with no timeouts. Maybe he breaks a tackle and they win, but if Andy Reid/Mahomes designs a play to try to do that and they come up 3 yards short it's an all-time coaching blunder when the FG gets you to OT.
I'm also guessing Belichick designed the defense to ensure that Kelce was not going to just get a jump ball against a single defender in the end zone.
Timpranillo posted:MichiganPacker posted:The Patriots had to win the coin toss, convert 3rd and 10 three times, and score a TD and not a FG. I'd take that over having Mahomes go Favre (circa 1999-2006) and try to throw it through 4 guys when a FG gets you to OT at home.
And, interestingly enough, you both have the same number of SB wins. Weird.
And great call comparing a guy that only once in his career, at age 40, had a lower INT rate than 23 year old Mahomes. EXACT SAME PLAYER THAT BOTH THREW A TON OF PICKS!
You're actually supporting my point here. Mahomes has the statistics he does and hasn't thrown any game ending interceptions (like Favre did in at least 3 playoff games) because he doesn't make stupid low percentage throws like Favre did all the time.
Timpranillo posted:Belichick would have thrown with 11 seconds left.
Dude you don't get it. You can't throw up a jump ball in that situation.
Many other areas of this game to be critical, that call is not one of them.
Watched BB's post game presser, praised Reid, said Reid out schemed them some in second half. When asked about decisions made during the game, he said something to the effect "there are 50 decisions you make every game, if they are right or wrong I will leave that up to the experts". Of course the insinuation is that everyone thinks they have a better idea of what coaches should do. I've always maintained that the easiest thing to find in America is someone who thinks they can do your job....even though they are not trained for it & have never done it. A big part of being intelligent is knowing what you don't know.
DH13 posted:You mean short WRs that have Brady throwing to them.
WR ownership of 21st-century SB winning rings has been dominated by teams that have relied upon short WRs, so it's not only New England:
Tony Romo is amazed NE can win without a true outside WR. LMAO.
There is also the possibility that the 7th-round QB shines because nobody ever saddled him with a bunch of slow fat uncoordinated tall WRs.
If Mike McCarthy kicked a figgy with 11 seconds left. Not given Rodgers a shot at the win. And then GB lost in OT this site would melt down to a smoldering pile of ashes.
Mike has been crushed for years for not being more aggressive in Seattle. Rightfully so.
DH13 posted:Best matchup will be Donald and LA DL vs. NE OL. That's where the game will be won/lost. Brady's been polishing his nails all season in the fortress of solitude he calls a pocket. Donald could be his kryptonite if the rest of the LA D can disrupt WR's enough to take away Brady's quick throws.
Exactly. Brady's at his best when the pocket is clean and he doesn't have to move. Rams front four will give him trouble.
FLPACKER posted:Reid said in his presser that he wanted to see how Pats were going to play defensively, when Mahones saw them in prevent he threw it away, that is when he decided to kick .... I believe that is the same thing Romo said, you make sure that the opponents does not make a huge mistake by not playing prevent & then if they play it as they should you kick it. Either way, you do not throw it in the end zone vs. prevent defense in that situation.
And like you, Reid will be watching the Super Bowl at home.