Dawkins would have been nice, but the other 4 you list would have not significantly helped this team. Spitz was a good center before the injury and Wells has been average as his backup. Birk has been average in Baltimore and Brown signed the richest contract ever for a center. And I don't even know where Dockery is. I don't know much about him but before the season guard looked pretty solid. Colledge was good last year.
quote:Brian Dawkins S from PHI to Den (UFA) (liability Bigby
WOW!
IC - Im assuming that the Packers have a plan on who they are picking in the draft. With a pick like #9, they should be able to have an idea within 3-5 players on whom they will end up with. Raji seemed like the most likely candidate for us to end up with. I should have clarified that if they were going to go in the direction of a DL in the first round or two of the draft.. Haynesworth made little sense to go after.
And yes, I think given the right treatment and money, any player will come to Green Bay. If you dont have a bad (Yes I will be editing out any name-calling of our GM or HC. Future violations will result in your banishment from X4) GM, you should be in the market for any player. Green Bay is an attractive place to go, they are not marketing it very well or selling it as a destination rather than a siberia. Im sick of the schtick that black people do not like Green Bay. Look around. Most of our team is black. They have adapted quite well to green bay and alot of our key players have flourished and are collecting very nice paychecks. If you cant sell someone on your organization versus a virtual blackhole like washington.. then you are a poor GM and you should be fired.
And yes, I think given the right treatment and money, any player will come to Green Bay. If you dont have a bad (Yes I will be editing out any name-calling of our GM or HC. Future violations will result in your banishment from X4) GM, you should be in the market for any player. Green Bay is an attractive place to go, they are not marketing it very well or selling it as a destination rather than a siberia. Im sick of the schtick that black people do not like Green Bay. Look around. Most of our team is black. They have adapted quite well to green bay and alot of our key players have flourished and are collecting very nice paychecks. If you cant sell someone on your organization versus a virtual blackhole like washington.. then you are a poor GM and you should be fired.
quote:Originally posted by The Artist fka TD:quote:Brian Dawkins S from PHI to Den (UFA) (liability BigbyConsidering what the Packers record is with Bigby in the game, another whiff.
WOW!
Bigby is not very good. You have to be an idot of major proportions to think that Dawkins would not have been an upgrade.
Can you do me a favor and find the Packers record with Bigby playing and theirs w/o? Isn't that what you tell us about Favre boy? But those double standards don't work that way?
Just a whole lot of stoopid.
Don't you have to get that book report done? Green Eggs and Ham?
Just a whole lot of stoopid.
Don't you have to get that book report done? Green Eggs and Ham?
quote:.. then you are a piss poor GM and you should be fired.
That's why guys like Barnett, Jennings, Woodson, and Pickett have either signed or re-signed. Talk about more Hooked on Moronics.
Do yourself a favor and don't inhale for a few hours.
quote:Originally posted by CUPackFan:
Dawkins would have been nice, but the other 4 you list would have not significantly helped this team. Spitz was a good center before the injury and Wells has been average as his backup. Birk has been average in Baltimore and Brown signed the richest contract ever for a center. And I don't even know where Dockery is. I don't know much about him but before the season guard looked pretty solid. Colledge was good last year.
Last i checked - about 20 mins ago, Brown was the #6 rated center in the NFL by the sporting news. During the Free Agency period.
Spitz could then play guard (assuming no injury) and Wells could be insurance (which is all he should be).
Dockery is in Washington. I think in 2007 he signed the richest guard contract in NFL history.. he was cut in Feburary after Buffalo botched a trade with Detroit for him. Washington immediately signed him for about the same guaranteed money that he had remaining on his deal from Buffalo. He is an upgrade over either of our guards.
Again.. we could have 2 offensive line upgrades. Instead of 15M just chilling (forgive the pun). It's an uncapped year and rolling over these bonuses has zero effect for next season. It's really quite pointless to have the money except from a fiscal standpoint because no one knows what to expect next season. That being said, most people think that the free agency climate in the uncapped year will be quite conservative from the majority of clubs.
I'd prefer the line upgrades. Again, someone tell me I am wrong and give a substantial reason why. IMO it's another case of Ted being Ted. At some point he is going to need to prove to this fan base/team that he can go and get it. New England is the best example of a team/organization that has developed players from within but has gone out and used free agency and making "low risk, high reward" trades to develop their franchise.
Ted seems to be solely focused on the draft. He has made a few free agent moves, some of which have had large impacts on this team. The fact that he has not gone to this vehicle more is bothersome when his drafts have been largely mediocre to slightly above mediocre by most analyst accounts. This is also reinforced by his... 2 games over .500 record in almost 5 years... as well as his 1 total playoff appearance in 5 years after the Packers had appeared in the playoffs in the majority of years the decade prior to his regime.
quote:Originally posted by The Artist fka TD:quote:.. then you are a piss poor GM and you should be fired.
That's why guys like Barnett, Jennings, Woodson, and Pickett have either signed or re-signed. Talk about more Hooked on Moronics.
Do yourself a favor and don't inhale for a few hours.
That was a hypothetical artist- thanks for reinforcing my point. Im saying if you cant go out and get free agents and sell Green Bay.. then you arent doing your job. So many posters in this forum think that we have no chance to sign any elite black player to a contract in GB. Im trying to make the point that lets try to get away from the 1970s thinking and lets get to modern day thinking. Any GM worth their salt should be able to sell any player on any organization if it has done their work. A franchise like the GBP should have zero problem in this regard.
quote:Originally posted by The Artist fka TD:
Can you do me a favor and find the Packers record with Bigby playing and theirs w/o? Isn't that what you tell us about Favre boy? But those double standards don't work that way?
Just a whole lot of stoopid.
Don't you have to get that book report done? Green Eggs and Ham?
Not many people are rushing to your side on this one Timberlake. Everyone that has watched a Packer game the last couple years know he cant cover a soul. He is a liability.. especially come playoff time when we will have to face these throw it around offenses that don't employ 2 TE sets. Likely opponents = Philly, AZ, NO. All are not good teams to be facing when you have Atari Bigby.
quote:Originally posted by Diggr14:
then you are a piss poor GM and you should be fired.
But GMs that have no concept of money or cap implications of FAs should be applauded?
Oh, wait, NOW I get why you are still weeping about the loss of Mike Sherman! Neither of you have a clue about cap management!
DERP DA DERP
quote:Originally posted by Diggr14:
Not many people are rushing to your side on this one Timberlake. Everyone that has watched a Packer game the last couple years know he cant cover a soul. He is a liability.. especially come playoff time when we will have to face these throw it around offenses that don't employ 2 TE sets. Likely opponents = Philly, AZ, NO. All are not good teams to be facing when you have Atari Bigby.
You can't fix Stoopid.
Clueless Sherman: 59-43
Wooden Ted: 40-37
Which is better?
Wooden Ted: 40-37
Which is better?
quote:A franchise like the GBP should have zero problem in this regard.
And just how are the *******, Cowboys, and Redskins of the world doing with their trophy facilities since FA has blossomed?
Diggy proving you can't fix stoopid.
Are the fries ready yet?
quote:Originally posted by Diggr14:
Clueless Sherman: 59-43
Wooden Ted: 40-37
Which is better?
Playoff record 1-1 or Shermie's 2-4?
Or should we bring in Sherman's great collegiate record too?
LMAO! Diggy....
quote:Originally posted by The Artist fka TD:quote:Originally posted by Diggr14:
Not many people are rushing to your side on this one Timberlake. Everyone that has watched a Packer game the last couple years know he cant cover a soul. He is a liability.. especially come playoff time when we will have to face these throw it around offenses that don't employ 2 TE sets. Likely opponents = Philly, AZ, NO. All are not good teams to be facing when you have Atari Bigby.
You can't fix Stoopid.
Not my fault you are wrong. Oftentimes the majority is a product of a really stupid premise.
quote:Originally posted by The Artist fka TD:quote:Originally posted by Diggr14:
Clueless Sherman: 59-43
Wooden Ted: 40-37
Which is better?
Playoff record 1-1 or Shermie's 2-4?
Or should we bring in Sherman's great collegiate record too?
LMAO! Diggy....
Yeah, ill take Sherman's 4 playoff appearances and 3 division titles. It's better watching a playoff game as opposed to talking about next year.
The Packers have the #1 defense and were ranked high with a healthy Bigby. Again, can you try to offer some proof instead of claiming he sucks? Nope, we know you can't.
quote:Yeah, ill take Sherman's 4 playoff appearances and 3 division titles. It's better watching a playoff game as opposed to talking about next year.
Yet, you criticize Ted for mediocrity. Well, our goal is the playoffs and that's it.
Mike Sherman's NCAA record 10-14. And this year he played in a conference that was 6th in power rankings. WOW...go Shermie.
quote:Originally posted by Diggr14:
Clueless Sherman: 59-43
Wooden Ted: 40-37
Which is better?
and despite that, Ted's team has gotten further in the playoffs than Sherminator's teams ever did
I tend to give a guy that was 24 games over .500 (prior to Ted) and had 3 division champs and 4 playoff appearances a little more slack than I give a guy that is 3 games over .500 with 1 playoff appearance and 1 division championship.
I guess you arent very good at math.
I guess you arent very good at math.
quote:Originally posted by CAPackfan:quote:Originally posted by Diggr14:
Clueless Sherman: 59-43
Wooden Ted: 40-37
Which is better?
and despite that, Ted's team has gotten further in the playoffs than Sherminator's teams ever did
That is nice, what did he do to make that team better the next year.. Went back into rebuilding mode. We had 32M in cap room going into our 6-10 bust out season last year.
quote:Originally posted by Diggr14:quote:Originally posted by CAPackfan:quote:Originally posted by Diggr14:
Clueless Sherman: 59-43
Wooden Ted: 40-37
Which is better?
and despite that, Ted's team has gotten further in the playoffs than Sherminator's teams ever did
That is nice, what did he do to make that team better the next year.. Went back into rebuilding mode.
Not really, no
quote:Originally posted by Diggr14:
I tend to give a guy that was 24 games over .500 (prior to Ted) and had 3 division champs and 4 playoff appearances a little more slack than I give a guy that is 3 games over .500 with 1 playoff appearance and 1 division championship.
I guess you arent very good at math.
TT inherited Sherman's cap mess and that's why it took a couple years to get things on track. Then he had to deal with another mess, TOG, a player Sherman had been babysitting for 5 years.
Have you ever wondered why nobody supports your point of view?
And still, diggr14 can't address how he'd use the cap space that evil Ted Thompson let go to waste.
Identifying 5 free agents with no concern for contract amount or length is what Joy Behar would do, it's what a person with little to no knowledge of the NFL would do, it's what a troll would do.
Surely you can help me understand how all these holes would be filled with the cap amount.
Or, you can ignore and change the subject because you can't do something basic like that.
Identifying 5 free agents with no concern for contract amount or length is what Joy Behar would do, it's what a person with little to no knowledge of the NFL would do, it's what a troll would do.
Surely you can help me understand how all these holes would be filled with the cap amount.
Or, you can ignore and change the subject because you can't do something basic like that.
Guess that 32M in cap room was there for show and tell. If he went out and spent some of it, they could have averted 7 losses of 3 points or less... and helped a rookie QB possibly achieve the same successes as the year prior. But no, Ted was being Ted. He prefers chilling around .500.
quote:Originally posted by CAPackFan95:
And still, diggr14 can't address how he'd use the cap space that evil Ted Thompson let go to waste.
Identifying 5 free agents with no concern for contract amount or length is what Joy Behar would do, it's what a person with little to no knowledge of the NFL would do, it's what a troll would do.
Surely you can help me understand how all these holes would be filled with the cap amount.
Or, you can ignore and change the subject because you can't do something basic like that.
I think I identified the two candidates in an earlier post... Brown and Dockery. If you think they would have cost more than 15M I'd be happy to break down the salaries for them.. but considering they dont, do I have to bother?
Maybe you can help me understand why you defend a GM that habitually leaves 15-30M in cap room each year open prior to the season when there are glaring holes that he can fill if he bothered to be creative and use it on a free agent or two or three. Im not just talking 2009. Im talking 2008, 2007, 2006. It's a litany of this kind of poor decision making. Im not saying go Dan Snyder or Jerruh Jones on the situation.. Im saying fill your key holes and be tight but aggressive.
I guess I like divison championships and playoff appearances too much to understand your line of thinking.
I guess I like divison championships and playoff appearances too much to understand your line of thinking.
No, please break it down. You are aware of their cap numbers, right?
So, please detail for me what the offers needed to be to exceed what they accepted and would come to Green Bay.
Sorry, I'm not accepting "trust me" from you.
I'll be holding my breath Joy.
So, please detail for me what the offers needed to be to exceed what they accepted and would come to Green Bay.
Sorry, I'm not accepting "trust me" from you.
I'll be holding my breath Joy.
quote:Originally posted by Diggr14:
And yes, I think given the right treatment and money, any player will come to Green Bay. If you dont have a complete idiot as a GM, you should be in the market for any player. Green Bay is an attractive place to go, they are not marketing it very well or selling it as a destination rather than a siberia. Im sick of the schtick that black people do not like Green Bay. Look around. Most of our team is black. They have adapted quite well to green bay and alot of our key players have flourished and are collecting very nice paychecks. If you cant sell someone on your organization versus a virtual blackhole like washington.. then you are a piss poor GM and you should be fired.
You see, this is where you are wrong again, as usual. There was a poll of players, you know those FA you want to sign, where Green Bay was in the bottom 5 of places to play in the NFL. Instead of an idiot GM, maybe it's idot fans like you is why FA don't like Green Bay.
So it is Diggr that is the problem for the Packers not signing Free Agents! I KNEW IT!!!!!!!
Yep. Dockery's deal is essentially a 3 year 13M deal. I think it's a 5/25 on paper. But the last two years are unlikely to be seen. Brown's deal is a 5 year 37.5M dollar deal. 20M guaranteed. 11M SB - 2009/2019 guaranteed
2009: 4M 2010: 5M 2011: 4M 2012: 5M 2013: 6M Cap # for 2009 = 6.2M.
Again.. as I said. 6.2M + dockery's deal is alot less than 15M. Why do I have to explain this to you.
2009: 4M 2010: 5M 2011: 4M 2012: 5M 2013: 6M Cap # for 2009 = 6.2M.
Again.. as I said. 6.2M + dockery's deal is alot less than 15M. Why do I have to explain this to you.
quote:Originally posted by ammo:quote:Originally posted by Diggr14:
And yes, I think given the right treatment and money, any player will come to Green Bay. If you dont have a complete idiot as a GM, you should be in the market for any player. Green Bay is an attractive place to go, they are not marketing it very well or selling it as a destination rather than a siberia. Im sick of the schtick that black people do not like Green Bay. Look around. Most of our team is black. They have adapted quite well to green bay and alot of our key players have flourished and are collecting very nice paychecks. If you cant sell someone on your organization versus a virtual blackhole like washington.. then you are a piss poor GM and you should be fired.
You see, this is where you are wrong again, as usual. There was a poll of players, you know those FA you want to sign, where Green Bay was in the bottom 5 of places to play in the NFL. Instead of an idiot GM, maybe it's idot fans like you is why FA don't like Green Bay.
You know as well as I do that when it comes to player's careers they will chose 1. Money 2. Security 3. Organization first. They are business people. Some are dumber than others... but if you are a GM worth anything.. you should be able to sell an organization like Green Bay. It shouldn't even be hard.
and actually.. i think free agents probably don't like Ted Thompson... which might be part of the problem. If he cant sell his organization and they have no faith in him to make their career better... then, it might be that... and the idot fans that ride his jock of course.
Just like women, you don't get football either. Is there any crochet forums?
And since you are an NFL player you know this is fact. 
Well he's making AR12's career better as well as Brandon Chillar, Clay Mathews, Jennings, hell just about everybody he's drafted.
Well he's making AR12's career better as well as Brandon Chillar, Clay Mathews, Jennings, hell just about everybody he's drafted.
Diggr, I've grown increasingly tired of your schtick.
You want to be contrarian that's fine but do it in a respectful tone and manner. Calling our GM and HC names is uncalled for and unprofessional. I won't allow it here.
FYI, take a good look at the record of the team this year. 9-4. Yeah I know it kills you to be proven wrong but you might as well get used to it and you better admit it when it happens.
You want to be contrarian that's fine but do it in a respectful tone and manner. Calling our GM and HC names is uncalled for and unprofessional. I won't allow it here.
FYI, take a good look at the record of the team this year. 9-4. Yeah I know it kills you to be proven wrong but you might as well get used to it and you better admit it when it happens.
Can we all put speculations on this board?
I speculate diggy has no brain.
I speculate diggy has no brain.
Yeah I know you love the attention too. I get it.
Perhaps we could have a chat once a week with Diggr?
Perhaps we could have a chat once a week with Diggr?
