Clayton says Packers are initial losers

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Originally posted by The Artist fka TD:

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Originally posted by The Crusher:
Whatever tlc, Collins was rated in the 5th round and we took him in the 2nd.

I say stick the ratings where the sun don't shine.

So if he was 5th round projectedly why didn't he trade down then? Can you say hello....McFly...

Collins was a good pick but do you honestly think he couldn't have moved down twenty picks then? Not trading down and having one player in mind is what Sherman did. Have backup plans and other players then having a Hardy for one.

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Originally posted by Brak:
Knowing the Packers, they probably picked Collins, then paid Baltimore to call them and say "nice pick, we wanted him."

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Originally posted by FANtastic:

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Originally posted by The Artist fka TD:

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Originally posted by The Crusher:
Whatever tlc, Collins was rated in the 5th round and we took him in the 2nd.

I say stick the ratings where the sun don't shine.

So if he was 5th round projectedly why didn't he trade down then? Can you say hello....McFly...

Collins was a good pick but do you honestly think he couldn't have moved down twenty picks then? Not trading down and having one player in mind is what Sherman did. Have backup plans and other players then having a Hardy for one.

Right after the Packers selected Collins they received a call from the Ravens congratulating them on the selection. Baltimore had Collins targeted as their next pick in that round and we're bummed when the Packers took him.

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Originally posted by AZPackerBacker:

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Right after the Packers selected Collins they received a call from the Ravens congratulating them on the selection. Baltimore had Collins targeted as their next pick in that round and we're bummed when the Packers took him.

Take THAT Baltimore, he said, still stinging from the Ray Lewis pick in '96. (OK, I know he wasn't GM then but it sounded good )

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Originally posted by Hungry5:
JaPF

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Originally posted by Brak:
Good stuff.

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Originally posted by LSU4GB:
Clayton molests collies.

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Originally posted by Liam___:

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Originally posted by LSU4GB:
Clayton molests collies.

come again?

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Originally posted by thelittlecheese:
My analysis,

Day one has to include the Walker deal and whether it was good value. Add to that we have to include the deal-down that involved the 36/37 picks. I happen to believe he got poor value on both trades.

Now, I'm not dumping on the picks Thompson made. They were quality picks for the draft position they were selected in.

What I am upset about is getting only HALF the value of a player like Walker and passing on Chad Jackson and Winston Justice at the 36/37 picks when they BOTH were ranked by many scouts as 1st rounders. Mock after mock had Justice going between #8 and #17 in the first round and had Jackson going between #18 and #25. To have those guys at picks 36 and 37 and to have a need for both positions is a priceless opportunity to literally get two mid 1st round talents! The Eagles jumped on Justice a few picks after the ones we traded. New England snatched Chad Jackson with quickness at our #36 pick so they knew what was up. Thompson obviously didn't.

Both trades based on the value of who we gave up (Walker, Jackson, and Justice) vs what we got (Colledge, Jennings, Spitz, Rodgers, Blackmon, and Jolly). Which group would you SERIOUSLY want to have? Let's not pretend here. Thompson f'd up and f'd up pretty badly. Not to mention we should have been able to nab a conditional pick in the future based on Walker's performance.

Let's compare tat for tat just for sh!ts and giggles:

Jennings vs Jackson. Jennings will never equal the quality or ability of Jackson. Sure I'm no crytal ball but I think it's a pretty safe bet that Jennings is more likely to be a career punt returner and #4 WR and Jackson has at least a legit shot to be a quality #2 WR if not a star.

Justice vs Colledge & Spitz. Justice was a 1st round rated LT. That is a hell of a bigtime player that you just don't give up. Colledge and Spitz are going to be dime a dozen interior lineup you can find littered throughout the draft. Sure, they can turn out to be solid interior guys but if Justice turns out to be a solid starter at LT, we lost on this one and I think it's far more likely on odds that Justice will out-value both Colledge and Spitz as a duo.

Walker vs Rodgers, Blackmon and Jolly. I think it's obvious by now and any level headed thinker must be really starting to "get" what I'm talking about. These trades and what we gave up is simply too much and what we got won't equal it.

Based on these factors, I give Thompson a C-. He simply gave up too much to get what he got in this draft. The only thing that saves him from a worse grade is that his picks were solid.

tlc

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Originally posted by Liam___:

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Originally posted by LSU4GB:
Clayton molests collies.

come again?

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Originally posted by LSU4GB:

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Originally posted by Liam___:

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Originally posted by LSU4GB:
Clayton molests collies.

come again?

Caddyshack


"your uncle molests collies"

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Originally posted by justanotherpackerfan:

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Originally posted by Hungry5:
JaPF

Clayton called them "initial losers", thus they can't use initials....get it?

That may be longest time period in history, between telling a bad joke and explaining it.

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Funny thing...just last week Colin Cowherd and some of the other ESPN minds sited the Packers as having one of the more succesful drafts last year because they got 4 starters.

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Originally posted by kworst:

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Funny thing...just last week Colin Cowherd and some of the other ESPN minds sited the Packers as having one of the more succesful drafts last year because they got 4 starters.

4 starters on a pathetic team is not that big of a deal

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Originally posted by kworst:

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Funny thing...just last week Colin Cowherd and some of the other ESPN minds sited the Packers as having one of the more succesful drafts last year because they got 4 starters.

4 starters on a pathetic team is not that big of a deal

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Originally posted by justanotherpackerfan:

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Originally posted by Hungry5:
JaPF

Clayton called them "initial losers", thus they can't use initials....get it?

That may be longest time period in history, between telling a bad joke and explaining it.

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Originally posted by Hungry5:

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Originally posted by justanotherpackerfan:

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Originally posted by Hungry5:
JaPF

Clayton called them "initial losers", thus they can't use initials....get it?

That may be longest time period in history, between telling a bad joke and explaining it.

JaPF - the one and only initial loser!

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If 8-8 is pathetic how would you describe the 15 teams that drafted ahead of the Packers?

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Originally posted by phaedrus:

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If 8-8 is pathetic how would you describe the 15 teams that drafted ahead of the Packers?

In the NFC North, 8-8 is maybe 6-10 in other divisions.

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Originally posted by The Artist fka TD:
Has Clayton found his potect protector yet? Good thing he's not a scout.

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Originally posted by Hauser:

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Originally posted by The Artist fka TD:
Has Clayton found his potect protector yet? Good thing he's not a scout.

Artist, what is a 'potect protector?

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Originally posted by thelittlecheese:
My analysis,

Day one has to include the Walker deal and whether it was good value. Add to that we have to include the deal-down that involved the 36/37 picks. I happen to believe he got poor value on both trades.

Now, I'm not dumping on the picks Thompson made. They were quality picks for the draft position they were selected in.

What I am upset about is getting only HALF the value of a player like Walker and passing on Chad Jackson and Winston Justice at the 36/37 picks when they BOTH were ranked by many scouts as 1st rounders. Mock after mock had Justice going between #8 and #17 in the first round and had Jackson going between #18 and #25. To have those guys at picks 36 and 37 and to have a need for both positions is a priceless opportunity to literally get two mid 1st round talents! The Eagles jumped on Justice a few picks after the ones we traded. New England snatched Chad Jackson with quickness at our #36 pick so they knew what was up. Thompson obviously didn't.

Both trades based on the value of who we gave up (Walker, Jackson, and Justice) vs what we got (Colledge, Jennings, Spitz, Rodgers, Blackmon, and Jolly). Which group would you SERIOUSLY want to have? Let's not pretend here. Thompson f'd up and f'd up pretty badly. Not to mention we should have been able to nab a conditional pick in the future based on Walker's performance.

Let's compare tat for tat just for sh!ts and giggles:

Jennings vs Jackson. Jennings will never equal the quality or ability of Jackson. Sure I'm no crytal ball but I think it's a pretty safe bet that Jennings is more likely to be a career punt returner and #4 WR and Jackson has at least a legit shot to be a quality #2 WR if not a star.

Justice vs Colledge & Spitz. Justice was a 1st round rated LT. That is a hell of a bigtime player that you just don't give up. Colledge and Spitz are going to be dime a dozen interior lineup you can find littered throughout the draft. Sure, they can turn out to be solid interior guys but if Justice turns out to be a solid starter at LT, we lost on this one and I think it's far more likely on odds that Justice will out-value both Colledge and Spitz as a duo.

Walker vs Rodgers, Blackmon and Jolly. I think it's obvious by now and any level headed thinker must be really starting to "get" what I'm talking about. These trades and what we gave up is simply too much and what we got won't equal it.

Based on these factors, I give Thompson a C-. He simply gave up too much to get what he got in this draft. The only thing that saves him from a worse grade is that his picks were solid.

tlc

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Originally posted by thelittlecheese:
Both trades based on the value of who we gave up (Walker, Jackson, and Justice) vs what we got (Colledge, Jennings, Spitz, Rodgers, Blackmon, and Jolly). Which group would you SERIOUSLY want to have? Let's not pretend here. Thompson f'd up and f'd up pretty badly. Not to mention we should have been able to nab a conditional pick in the future based on Walker's performance.