Defensive "Accountability?"

9-6-2014    Seasons over

Is there a tie game in your prediction? 

The difference being Johnson was a reaction to Wolf whiffing on Jamal Reynolds while TT hasn't invested much of anything in the ILB position since whiffing on Hawk.

This is from Bad Bob on rating GB vs the Seahawks. Not a pretty read but really it shouldn't shock you either. This has been goin' on for what? 3 years now? His rating scale is from 1 to 5. The DL performed so badly they didn't even earn a 1. :

 

DEFENSIVE LINE (1/2)

The Packers unveiled their version of the 4-3 base front that they call "Quad." It was used on about 15 first-half plays compared with three in the 3-4 before Dom Capers went back to the 3-4 as his base in the second half. Mike Daniels (46 snaps) might have played his poorest game as a Packer. Given his leverage, strength and intensity, the Packers expected Daniels to overcome being just a shade over 6 feet and stop the run. Daniels did resist the run last year in the 3-4, just not on a regular basis. Matched against one of the NFL's more massive guards in James Carpenter, Daniels was consistently covered up and displaced. Then, when asked to play on throwing downs, he had little to give and didn't have a pressure. NT Letroy Guion (35) was every bit as much a liability as Daniels until the fourth quarter when both began making some plays. At first, Guion was little more than a blocking dummy being ridden out of the hole. He missed two tackles as well. Datone Jones (32) was more effective than the other two but wasn't exactly a tower of power, either. Josh Boyd (23) had the unit's sole pressure. NT Mike Pennel will get his shot soon because the Packers can't live for long with those results.

LINEBACKERS (1½

In some ways, "Quad" is like a nickel defense with Clay Matthews (65 snaps) walking out in the slot area as the No. 3 cornerback would. The Packers hope that by keeping Matthews moving around they have a better chance to find pass-rushing mismatches for him. To an extent, Matthews caught Seattle off-guard; otherwise, they wouldn't have run a tear screen for Percy Harvin into where Matthews was hovering to mash him. Matthews was OK with 1½ pressures and his extraordinary effort. The Seahawks got him on bootlegs, sweep screens and a 24-yard reception to TE Zach Miller. Julius Peppers (60) had 2½ pressures but was unable to overwhelm rookie RT Justin Britt. He also played hard. In the fourth quarter, Peppers chased off the edge and clipped the leg of Russell Wilson to abort what would have been about a 30-yard completion to Jermaine Kearse. That was pure hustle. Mike Neal's 40 snaps included 33 as a lineman. He didn't get much done. Just like in every exhibition game, Nick Perry (nine) flashed a time or two. Brad Jones played all 70 downs as the dime LB over A.J. Hawk (48) and Sam Barrington, who didn't play from scrimmage. Jones had three of the defense's 17 missed tackles, an exorbitant amount, and two penalties in man coverage against tight ends. He showed stiffness and poor technique in coverage, played too high and failed to get off blocks at the point and was slow to the perimeter. On one tackle, Harvin dragged him five yards. Jones used to be a lot better than this. Hawk had no physical recourse, either, when the D-line wasn't keeping blockers off him. A few times, he was driven almost out of the picture.

So this means Jones should start against the Jets, right?!?

Barring injury? Of course he will.

Expect Lattimore to get significant playing time versus the Jets.

I find myself torn on Perry. At times I think he's a malcontent that doesn't like football. Then he shows some serious athletic flashes and I wonder if he's just sick of getting ****ed around by Capers and Co. because they have no idea how to put him to use. 

 

If Brad Jones confidence wasn't shot going into Seattle that confidence is long gone now. Sometimes a player is dying for the coaches to pull him because he's to prideful to tap out. I think Brad has reached that point. 

Like the 1 old geezer I heard on a Cubs talk radio a few years ago say,"maybe the Cubs do not need to get better ... Maybe the other teams in the division just need to get worse".
I laughed at the time, but like Henry said ... Win your division, maybe make some adjustments in D scheme/personnel going forward AND those other teams in conference "get worse" by playoffs thru injury.
Looking at Seattle, they are not deep if some key players got hurt. SF is already down players and sometimes that just keeps you out of sync all season. NO outside in January makes them even with everybody. Who knows, that's why they play the games !

This.

Believe me I am as frustrated by the  lost as anyone, but the lost was in Seattle.  As much as I hate to admit it: Seattle is in a class by themselves right now.  Can you name another team that could have fared better in Seattle?   As much as I am sick of seeing the Packers break every time they get bitch slapped by a physical team,  I do not think we will see a change in coaches or concepts this season.  I think what Cuqui posted is about the best change we can hope for.  My only addition is that I would replace Janis  with Jones on the inactive list to spice up the KRs.

 

esox, not many would have fared better, most if not all would have lost.......that does not excuse the poor play, poor coaching and general poor showing.  And from reading the scribes this summer this yr was supposed to be different.  

Agree with that. All I can hope for is that the coaching staff and players grow some balls and get out of their funk.  I really hate watching this team play scared. 

Interesting to hear leRoy Butler say that there is no way that Ha Ha should not start in place of Burnett...but that is not "the Packer way". That is in sharp contrast to the famous clip of Lombardi telling Marv Fleming (or Lee Roy Caffey?) "if we don't get a better effort out there we are going to replace you" 

it kinda seems obvious to me right now that Perry should be playing DE whether we're 3-4 or 4-3.  if he can give consistent effort, which might be what keeps it from happening cuz the coaching staff doesn't see that in practice.  but when he bullrushed this preseason he looked somewhat unstoppable.  I'd go with that with him and see how long he can do it at least.  something's gotta work some day, don't it?

I've always found the love affair the organization has with Morgan Burnett puzzling. HHCD needs to make the tackles and hang onto the ball, but he was in the right place and those things are correctable. The bad news is there's no indication I've seen that the Packers are thinking about a change.

Hope and change never work out

 

What makes you think this time is different?

Let's find out.  They have 15 games to show this coaching staff can adapt; dare I say get out of the rut.

 

That's my hope and I hope it's MM driving it.  He needs to do this to truly become a top tier coach on all levels.

But, as I said in the opening post, and others have said throughout this post, why haven't these issues been accounted for in the previous 3 years? Why are we looking to have them get addressed after game 1?

 

The issues with the defense are not new and no one has been held accountable at least as far as I can tell.

 

And what happens if we find out after the next 15 games that we still have an inadequate defense?  And why has no one been held accountable for all that has transpired the past 3 years?

 

I am just confused as to why we are still waiting for the same defensive issues to be sorted out and when someone will be held acceptable for the repeated failures.

I'm confused why you think a football BB would have answers to accountability of the Packers front office/coaching staff as well as believing you or I have any affect on the decision making process.  

 

If you're here to continue to mope about it you'll be hard pressed and join the ranks of clowns who believe discussion is throwing **** at a wall and waiting  years on end to say "called it!".  It's literally long term rooting against the team you support just to feel like your opinion is legit.  Get over it, it's a take and a back and forth that makes fandom fun.  Dickbags who try  to vindicate themselves over a football take can go over to KFFL. 

 

 It's a situation that sucks but I bet you bottom dollar this team still rolls through easy opponents and makes the playoffs.  That's when the rubber hits the road.   If you think there isn't a factor of a team or player getting hot at the right time you are mistaken.  Even the best organizations can look like juggernauts and **** the bed while the right team at the right time can take it all.  

 

The hope is that MM continues to grow as a coach.  I don't want a Norv/Lovie situation where they are capped out, one trick ponies.  This may be MM's swan song or his greatest moment.  Watch the drama and unfold and try to enjoy it.   

Agree that they will still make the playoffs and are a top 10 team.. Point is that now is the time to make changes so Barrington, Lattimore, Pennell, Did and co can learn now and give us a better chance come playoffs.

Exactly.  That's my point.  Maybe TT is churning the rosters looking for a Howard Green.  Maybe MM is blowing capers toupee back telling him to **** or get off the pot or telling Moss to shave his "tough beard" because it ****ing failed instead of the more hands off approach on defense as in years past.  Those guys make me admire the cogability of Campen for christ sake.

 

We don't know what the hell is happening but if the coaching staff didn't take that abortion of a game as a serious point of reflection then you're likely right that they will continue down a path of inevitable failure.  

The time to make changes is during the off season.  The staff has observed the likes of Jones, Hawk, Barrington and Lattimore for months.  

 

The only way GB is going to get better at MLB is the draft....

I despise that argument.  Coaches saw Bishop behind crap for years as well.  

 

Anyway, it can't get much worse than Hawk and Jones.  Doing nothing is a worse offense then inserting more suck IMO.

I'm not saying it's right... I'm saying it's my expectation of the immediate future.

Start here

 

Tap Tackle. When you are chasing someone, and they are to far in front for you to make a real hit on them, you can attempt a tap tackle. It sounds exactly like what it is. You dive for their feet in an attempt to tap their ankles and bring them down or make them trip. This should be used as a last resort at bringing someone down. Don't cower out of a tackle and then chase and do a tap tackle for two reasons.

• You will look like a coward for letting them through, and you will find it harder to tap tackle than normal tackle.

You play how you practice... and if you don't, you need to be replaced. Hawk and Jones must be all-pro in practice.

Wow, apparently I unintentionally touched a nerve.

 

My question about accountability was not about what might happen in the future -- so I could claim to be a know it all, but rather why there has not been any (or at least much) accountability for what has happened in the past considering that Thursday night the defense looked like the same old same old.

 

For the record, I agree with you that the Pack with the best QB in the game and a lot of talent elsewhere will recover and do just fine during the regular season this year, I was just focusing on why nothing has been done about the past problems with the D.

I am a Free Range Ahole.  

 

There are no answers.  I understand the desire for continuity and seeing that they did have success in 2010 and even parts of 2011, but this is likely the last year of said continuity.  I can't believe if the defense offers the same performance all season long with the same results in the playoffs that there won't be some serious housecleaning.  If there isn't, questioning MM's approach as a whole is definitely a legit argument.  Hell, it's legit right now but it sure the hell isn't going to change much other than shuffling players at this point.

I know Dom Capers, Mike McCarthy and Ted Thompson spend a lot of time watching film, but I’m beginning to think Green Bay’s defensive coordinator, head coach and GM close their eyes when it comes to any play involving A.J. Hawk.

 

How else could you explain seeing plays like this game after game for year after year and still thinking the former No. 1 pick deserves to be a starter?

 

It’s bad enough that the man in the middle of Green Bay’s D is moving away from the line of scrimmage, but what makes it even worse is the situation. On 3rd and 1, Hawk is readily conceding another three downs to the offense rather than attempting to make a stop and getting the defense off the field (Can you imagine Vince watching this? He’d have Hawk on the first plane to Buffalo by morning).

Right now going to Buffalo might not be the worst thing. 

He's been playing like that his whole career.  Up until this year he got a pass from a lot of people because who was in front of him.  He got accolades for being steady while making tackles 5 yards down field..  When you play so conservative its easy not to make mistakes.

 

We need play makers, not guys playing scared.

SL, there's not an answer anybody from here can give you.

I'm sure you know that the Head Coach is the one who controls the coordinators, and they in turn control the position coaches, but MM is the one who ultimately hires/fires staff.

IOW, the GM and the President aren't going to be involved with the coaching staff.

Given all that, no one is holding MM accountable, and he's holding no one accountable.

You likely have wondered if TT or Murphy has/will 'force' MM to make changes if he's unwilling to make them himself. I have. But it appears this is not the case, no matter the reason.

One day, someone may be held accountable, but I'll bet it's not until we have an entire coaching staff turnover.

Why is "accountability" in quotes?  Is accountability not really a word?

Because he doesn't have cyber fingers to do cyber air quotes.

Oh, I'm reading that way, with a hardcore sarcastic tone to accountability.

 

It just confused me more

Speaking of AJ Hawk sucks, shouldn't there be a Defensive "Availability" thread to go with this one?

 

 

My cyber fingers are coming tomorrow.  So much cyber masturbating.