Brees wins going away. After yesterday, it might be unanimous.
quote:Originally posted by Goalline:
Throwing to RBs is bad?
Couldn't agree more. BFD he threw to his running backs. If we had Sproles, MM would have more plays designed for him to catch the ball as well.
Brees has put together a historic season and cemented himself in the record books. I think he gets the MVP, and that is in no was a knock on AR.
EKB,
But, look at the ratio of TD's to INT's.
Rodgers - 45:6 = 7.5
Brees - 46:14 = 3.3
I honestly think Rodgers played QB at the highest level the position has ever been played.
Looking at the above, the ratio of the ratios (7.5/3.3) is nearly 2.3.
That difference is just sick.
But, look at the ratio of TD's to INT's.
Rodgers - 45:6 = 7.5
Brees - 46:14 = 3.3
I honestly think Rodgers played QB at the highest level the position has ever been played.
Looking at the above, the ratio of the ratios (7.5/3.3) is nearly 2.3.
That difference is just sick.
The ratio ofthe ratios??? Dude, do you work for the census bureau? Sick!
Why does Flynn's day knock the abilities of Rodgers? The pass protection was arguably the best all year minus that first drive.
Yet, people forget dumping off to one of the best 3rd down backs in the game along with tossing a screen. I have yet to see Brees throw a pass in which Rodgers did on 3rd down vs the Steelers in the Super Bowl.
Yet, people forget dumping off to one of the best 3rd down backs in the game along with tossing a screen. I have yet to see Brees throw a pass in which Rodgers did on 3rd down vs the Steelers in the Super Bowl.
make sense you do not
The MVP award has always had a major flaw: it doesn't account for the post-season, when arguably that's the most important variable.
Or does it? Ten bucks they do the Co-MVP thing again. Rodgers gets props for last year as well as this year.
Or does it? Ten bucks they do the Co-MVP thing again. Rodgers gets props for last year as well as this year.
Actually, the TD's are a wash. You can just look at the ratio of INT's. Brees has 2x as many INT's.quote:Originally posted by Goalline:
The ratio ofthe ratios??? Dude, do you work for the census bureau? Sick!
INT's are killers.
Brees deserves the MVP, and as a Rodgers fan, it hurts me to say it. There's two factors that lead me to this conclusion:
A. Flynn threw six TDs yesterday. 6. Rodgers has never done that. Clearly, a lot of Rodgers' success is due to the system. Anthony Dilwig could probably do some damage driving this Lamborghini of an offense.
2. Saints are the hot team right now. Everyone's talking about Who Dat, and the Packers are basically an afterthought right now. Since all national commentators have their fingers on the pulse of what's what, Brees deserves the nod.
A. Flynn threw six TDs yesterday. 6. Rodgers has never done that. Clearly, a lot of Rodgers' success is due to the system. Anthony Dilwig could probably do some damage driving this Lamborghini of an offense.
2. Saints are the hot team right now. Everyone's talking about Who Dat, and the Packers are basically an afterthought right now. Since all national commentators have their fingers on the pulse of what's what, Brees deserves the nod.
Rodgers over Brees and it really shouldn't be close. 14 wins in 15 tries vs 13 in 16. Secured home field advantage. Packers beat New Orleans head to head.
I'm not buying any of the Brees arguments, so what if he's been great for 6 years and didn't win an MVP? Tough luck. It's not like Rodgers career has been garbage, and he doesn't have his MVP either.
Anyone who changed their MVP vote because of Flynn's performance really shouldn't have a vote. What Flynn did has no bearing on what Rodgers did. If you watched Rodgers this season you know how accurate he's been, you know how great he has been at protecting the football, you know it's not just a product of a system and great teammates. Brees has plenty of talent helping him as well.
Who cares about the yards record? Brady would've broken it a week later anyway. If you put this year's A-Rod in a dome and consciously have him chase records Brees style he might've thrown for 6,000 yards.
Oh, and Rodgers leads in ESPN QBR
I'm not buying any of the Brees arguments, so what if he's been great for 6 years and didn't win an MVP? Tough luck. It's not like Rodgers career has been garbage, and he doesn't have his MVP either.
Anyone who changed their MVP vote because of Flynn's performance really shouldn't have a vote. What Flynn did has no bearing on what Rodgers did. If you watched Rodgers this season you know how accurate he's been, you know how great he has been at protecting the football, you know it's not just a product of a system and great teammates. Brees has plenty of talent helping him as well.
Who cares about the yards record? Brady would've broken it a week later anyway. If you put this year's A-Rod in a dome and consciously have him chase records Brees style he might've thrown for 6,000 yards.
Oh, and Rodgers leads in ESPN QBR
4Favre - 
You look back at things like the passes where Rodgers throws it in front of and toward the sideline (outside) of the receiver before the receiver has even turned to the ball.
Best QB play ever.
You look back at things like the passes where Rodgers throws it in front of and toward the sideline (outside) of the receiver before the receiver has even turned to the ball.
Best QB play ever.
Brees clearly outclasses Rodgers in pregame huddle rallies. He's Ray Lewis-esque, if I dare say so. That kind of leadership probably gets him a few votes as well.
Brees is the greatest ever. Everytime he farts he does more than break wind. He also breaks a new record. Can Arod even fart?
On the one-in-a-million chance there's a MVP voter reading this, and he doesn't get X4 sarcasm:
Not consistently through 4 road playoff games and a near-undefeated season.
quote:Originally posted by Fond Du Arrigo:
Anthony Dilwig could probably do some damage driving this Lamborghini of an offense.
Not consistently through 4 road playoff games and a near-undefeated season.
quote:Can Arod even fart?
ARod does. But every so often he "gambles and loses".
quote:Originally posted by Fond Du Arrigo:
Brees clearly outclasses Rodgers in pregame huddle rallies. He's Ray Lewis-esque, if I dare say so. That kind of leadership probably gets him a few votes as well.
Exactly!!! Why can't Arod inspire his team just once? Breaks my heart, really.
Not to mention, as we've heard time and time again, Brees says it's about the TEAM. That's an MVP attitude right there for sure.
14 vs 7 interceptions.
Niners +26 turnovers
Packers +22 turnovers
Patriots +14 turnovers
#2 seed NFC
#1 seed NFC
#1 seed AFC
These 3 teams lead the NFL in turnover ratio 2011. 7 more interceptions could easily lose 1 more games for the Saints. Is that important? well, the Saints are seeded #3.
Niners +26 turnovers
Packers +22 turnovers
Patriots +14 turnovers
#2 seed NFC
#1 seed NFC
#1 seed AFC
These 3 teams lead the NFL in turnover ratio 2011. 7 more interceptions could easily lose 1 more games for the Saints. Is that important? well, the Saints are seeded #3.
When do they announce it....hopefully soon.
Would love for Arod to win...but would be just as happy if he has another
Would love for Arod to win...but would be just as happy if he has another
quote:Originally posted by JJSD:
Not to mention, as we've heard time and time again, Brees says it's about the TEAM. That's an MVP attitude right there for sure.
That is so beautiful. MVP? Sainthood!
I think the MVP is announced the week leading up to the Super Bowl.
When do they announce Sainthood?
When Tebow finally learns how to throw??
quote:Originally posted by RatPack:
When do they announce Sainthood?
Tuesday. Sorry Tebow.
you & kworst are realists
Child, we are not even playing around.
quote:Originally posted by Fond Du Arrigo:
Clearly, a lot of Rodgers' success is due to the system.
I keep hearing this. My response is, the system has been running on Rodgers' timing, pace and mindset, and it didn't just start clicking overnight. It developed. Rodgers deserves a lot of the credit for that.
Also, MM is a master of developing QBs, no question, but just because there's 2 of them shouldn't diminish Rodgers' season. That's like saying Montana wasn't great because of Young.
quote:Originally posted by phaedrus:
EKB,
But, look at the ratio of TD's to INT's.
Rodgers - 45:6 = 7.5
Brees - 46:14 = 3.3
I honestly think Rodgers played QB at the highest level the position has ever been played.
Looking at the above, the ratio of the ratios (7.5/3.3) is nearly 2.3.
That difference is just sick.
That's another NFL season record there that no one talks about. I believe he is number 1 career wise in that stat also.
Don't forget that Arod didn't fumble all year (Brees had 1), got sacked more often (worse O-Line), had more yards per pass, had more yards rushing. Overall, clearly the more complete player. Passing yardage is highly overrated, its much more impressive to get the same number of TDs wit 100 fewer attempts. Brees had several games with at least 2 ints, ARod had only 6 games with an int and no games with more than one int. All under generally tougher conditions than Brees weather-wise. You can't seriously tell me that isn't deserving of an MVP.
That, and Brees is short.
Short people aren't valuable.
Short people aren't valuable.
quote:Originally posted by Fond Du Arrigo:
Anthony Dilwig could probably do some damage driving this Lamborghini of an offense.
Now that is funny.
quote:I think Flynn showed yesterday that the Packers would still be a playoff contender without AR. You take Brees away from NO and they contend high draft position.
Stupidity. Flynn's play has only one meaning- he's a well coached, well prepared, good QB who when given the opportunity has performed well. Nothing else.
Brees was relieved by Chase Daniels for a total of 5 passes this season. Meanwhile, he stayed in against Carolina dn ATL to pad stats when t he game was a blowout.
Numbers should not determine this award.
Agree.
Birthmarks should.
Birthmarks should.
Well, numbers really should play into it
Otherwise Tebow is MVP
Otherwise Tebow is MVP
Numbers are a factor, because they indicate a level of success, sure. But wins, performance, clutch performance, efficiency... all these factors should play into it.
And if they do, it's Rodgers.
And if they do, it's Rodgers.
We're gonna count performance now?
Little know fact, Bree's actually led the lead in clutch performance quotient.
Little know fact, Bree's actually led the lead in clutch performance quotient.
quote:Originally posted by Blair Kiel:
Agree.
Birthmarks should.
Rodgers has one too...I've said too much.
Wait!
I bet he lead in 3rd AND 4th quarter comebacks!
I bet he lead in minutes in the 4th quarter!
I KNOW he lead in RTCT (Redudundant Television Commercial Time)
Flynn is good, Detroilet is worse.
OH wait! Forget the record on the road.
GBP: 7-1
NS: 5-3
I bet he lead in 3rd AND 4th quarter comebacks!
I bet he lead in minutes in the 4th quarter!
I KNOW he lead in RTCT (Redudundant Television Commercial Time)
Flynn is good, Detroilet is worse.
OH wait! Forget the record on the road.
GBP: 7-1
NS: 5-3
Vote Brees. He was nicer to road teams? Makes sense to me.