Not saying it's right, but I know I saw Unitas really let an o-lineman have it during a game. I am pretty sure my dad said that was the way he was. Rail right into them.
My thoughts are even though perhaps a flaw and it would be nice to work on, you can still end up in the Top 5 all time with it!
We now have criticisms of Rodgers' leadership from three different recievers/TEs. a whole bunch of other stuff...
Did you listen to the Driver interview?
What exactly is Aaron Rodgers flaw? We have sound bites and press clippings from "I could use this to trend on twitter " reporters that stage questions asked for the specific goal of gaining clicks from 3 semi jilted ex'es. What is AR's actual flaw? Give me specifics. Examples. Anything. What EXACTLY did he do to show he's a crappy leader? And I don't want to hear after the fact memoirs. Give me facts.
I'll admit I'm wrong if I'm wrong. But WTF did AR ever do to earn this BS conversation other than trying to win being himself?
We now have criticisms of Rodgers' leadership from three different recievers/TEs. I know this is going to sound crazy to a lot of you, but maybe, just maybe, it's an area where Rodgers could actually stand to improve.
I love him as a player as much as anyone, but his skills on the field don't automatically make him a perfect human being. When the criticism came from Finley's agent everyone brushed it off. When it cam from Jennings sister, and then Jennings himself, again it was dismissed. Now it's coming from Donald Driver, and all anyone can say is that Driver must have been having a bad day, or not meant what he said.
Why is it that when someone speaks ill of Rodgers everyone around here acts likes it's blasphemous. Is it really so hard to believe Rodgers might have a flaw? You know, I recall another Packers QB getting this warship treatment not so long ago, and look how that turned out.
You need to get the **** over yourself before you start painting everyone here with the same brush.
You're not some ****ing anti-hero, you're a dip**** on a message board just like the rest of us. Unless you're Rob Reischel, then you're just a **** journalist doing the only thing he can to get noticed.
When journalism becomes the equivalent of a 3 year old taking a **** on the floor and smearing it on the wall screaming, "LOOK WHAT I DID"!
Welcome to the new age of Yellow Journalism.
It doesn't make any sense.
Maybe I remember this wrong, but it seemed like every time BF threw a pick the press claimed some incompetent/lazy WR had either run the wrong route or gave up on a route.
When Rodgers throws a pick, it seems like there is less of that.
So maybe Driver was thinking BF, and said Rodgers. He's an old fart. Old farts have old-fart moments.
So are we to believe Driver ran the wrong route in the championship game against the Giants?
That's outstanding!
So Driver is asked to speculate on why Jennings keeps ragging on Rodgers, and he says maybe it is because Rodgers doesn't want to lie for the receivers when they screw up?
1. I agree this is not a scandal of the variety the media so desperately craves these days (See Henry's post above).
2, I don't remember Rodgers ever publicly throwing another player under the bus. Never publicly. Which is all that should really matter.
3, Lying to the coaches about another player's mistake doesn't help the team in any way, and isn't therefore really being a leader. I doubt DD disagrees with this. All he said was AR didn't want to lie like that.
Typical media-driven much ado about nothing.
I don't get the crap coming from Jennings and Driver at Rodgers. They loved him when he was there. So stupid.
Wonder how many ex-Dolphins receivers liked Marino on the field or same with Brady and others?
Driver and Jennings should be kissing Rodgers' ass for helping to keep that thing going there.
When a QB gets fiery with his receivers, there is tension. When he is laid-back, like Josh Freeman, they say there is no fire in the belly.
When journalism becomes the equivalent of a 3 year old taking a **** on the floor and smearing it on the wall screaming, "LOOK WHAT I DID"!
Welcome to the new age of Yellow Journalism.
Precisely. It's the frigging media making much ado about nothing. The media is tantamount to even extracting some of this crappola sometimes.
I blame the media more than anything. I am sure plenty of players in the past felt a sour grape or two, but such sentiments were WAY below the media radar.
To me, it is just hideous noise and something to turn off.
Not quite sure why people are blaming the media for Driver's foot in mouth disease. He was asked legitimate questions about comments from Jennings and didn't handle it well, to put it mildly.
http://mmqb.si.com/2013/08/15/...gers-from-the-heart/
I think AR said it best to King this week:
The Media
“I love our game, but to me, there’s too much access. It’s way over the top. From the camera in the locker room, from the center being miked, to all the attention … Everybody’s watching. Everybody’s listening. And social media: If I’m out, more than likely, there’s going to be a camera on me, and a picture or video’s going to show up somewhere.
.....
“Ten years ago, when I was in college, nobody was following anyone around. I could walk around campus [at Cal] and no one knew who I was. No Twitter. Facebook was just starting. I didn’t even know what my Berkeley.edu address was. I couldn’t get a Facebook page. So that’s how things have changed.
“I don’t do Instagram. I don’t want people to know where I am.”
http://mmqb.si.com/2013/08/15/...gers-from-the-heart/
I think AR said it best to King this week:
The Media
“I love our game, but to me, there’s too much access. It’s way over the top. From the camera in the locker room, from the center being miked, to all the attention … Everybody’s watching. Everybody’s listening. And social media: If I’m out, more than likely, there’s going to be a camera on me, and a picture or video’s going to show up somewhere.
.....
“Ten years ago, when I was in college, nobody was following anyone around. I could walk around campus [at Cal] and no one knew who I was. No Twitter. Facebook was just starting. I didn’t even know what my Berkeley.edu address was. I couldn’t get a Facebook page. So that’s how things have changed.
“I don’t do Instagram. I don’t want people to know where I am.”
I get what Rodgers is saying, but unfortunately it comes with the territory, along with the 100 million dollars.
Not quite sure why people are blaming the media for Driver's foot in mouth disease. He was asked legitimate questions about comments from Jennings and didn't handle it well, to put it mildly.
But, look how they were all over it. It was like an orgy.
I wish the media felt such "news" was trivial and a complete waste of time.
They were all over it because of Driver's stumbling response. Had he handled it well like James Jones did it's a non-story.
I was not referring to just the actual interview, but the overall media coverage.
For example, it wouldn't surprise me if Bayless and (name escapes me) for First Take had it as a topic for discussion.
That is what I mean by "all over it."
Asking Rodgers to take the blame for poor WR's is ridiculous. Publicly, yes, it's a good thing for the QB to demand the blame (which Rodgers has done). But privately, Rodgers doesn't need to take blame (and can't) b/c the coaches know better than anyone who was at fault. If Jones or Cobb screws up and it's an interception, you better believe he's getting lit up by the coaching staff the next week. There is nothing Rodgers can do to protect Jones at that point. Coach knows the call and can see the tape.
No successful QB in NFL history is a nice guy on the field. It's just not possible. They have to be the most cocky players out there and demand perfection from everyone. We've all heard the Peyton Manning clip where he's screaming at Jeff Saturday (a pro bowl center). And just last week Wes Welker talked about how tough Tom Brady was on him early in his Patriots tenure. Poor leaders do not lead their team to a Super Bowl and then lead their team to a 15-1 record the following season. Talent alone does not get a team to 20+ wins in a row. Leadership does.
F**k the media and all the crap they're throwing at Rodgers. He's at the top right now, and just like they do to anyone at the top, they're trying to knock him down. It's how our society works. The underdog story is only interesting until he reaches the top. Once he's there, it's more interesting to see him fall.
I can recall AR ever publically taking any of his WRs to task for mistakes. That is where it counts. What happens behind closed doors should stay there.
LeRoy Butler.
I can recall AR ever publically taking any of his WRs to task for mistakes. That is where it counts. What happens behind closed doors should stay there.
Well, I think sometimes AR and other QB's are quite public for everyone to see.
On the playing field, not in front of some media person's mic or pad of paper.
Getting in MM's face over throwing the challenge flag wasn't a particularly good moment either. AR has conceded on his radio show that public outbursts on the playing field directed at his teammates is something he needs to try and avoid.
It should all be done behind closed doors and Driver's comments still don't make any sense to me.
Charles Woodson has some thoughts regarding Aaron Rodgers
“I would say this: There’s been times throughout my career there when defensively we put a piss-poor product on the field, and we’ve been in games and won ballgames solely on the arm of Aaron Rodgers and the legs of Aaron Rodgers and what he’s been able to do throwing a ball to a Greg, a Donald, a Jermichael,” Woodson said. “A couple years ago, we were 15- 1, and if we have any other quarterback other than Aaron Rodgers, we’re 7-9.
The article is worth a look.
From Woodson on PFT
But at least one guy who used to play with him doesn’t get the sudden beef Greg Jennings and Donald Driver seem to have with Rodgers.
“It might be a receiver thing,” Raiders defensive back Charles Woodson said with a laugh, via Jason Wilde of ESPNWisconsin.com
On a more serious note, Woodson said he wasn’t sure why Rodgers is such a popular target.
“I’m not sure where all this stuff is coming from,” Woodson said. “I just don’t understand.. . . I think A-Rod would consider these guys his friends, so for stuff like this to be coming out about him now that the guys are gone, it’s got to be hurtful to him because what are they talking about, to question his leadership ability, his leadership skills? The guy is one of the best players in the NFL, and I think he does a great job as far as leading them into battle.
“I’m not sure where the attacks – and believe me, they are not warranted, for sure – I don’t know where it’s coming from.”
"WRs have always had the reputation as pre-Madonnas*. It's not surprising that one would expect responsibility for his mistakes to be assumed by another.
*Pre-Madonna: Egotistical lead soprano in an opera, Wendy O Williams or big boobed fertility carving.
Good def but it always cracks me up when people misspell "Prima donna".
Driver didn't do anyone any favors with his comments.
I couldn't care less if prima donna is mis-spelled. For all intensive purposes does it matter?? 
credos to the grammer knotzees!
Irregardless....this statement says it all.
Woodson said. “A couple years ago, we were 15- 1, and if we have any other quarterback other than Aaron Rodgers, we’re 7-9."
No doubt about it.
Really seems to be a lot of dum in this thread. I remember John Brockington & MacArthur Lane were both pre-Madonna
Moses was also pre-Madonna but you didn't hear him yelling from the mountaintop.
Intents & purposes.
Driver and Jennings aside. It's refreshing to at least consider that the current Green Bay QB does make a mistake from time to time. It'll help keep AR grounded so he doesn't become a colossal jerk who hemorrhages turnovers while the fans blame the WR's, OC, the HC for not letting him call his own plays and the GM for not letting him make personnel decisions from his tractor while the rest of the team is doing OTA's.
With this type of stuff you have to act as though you're actually convinced yourself. It's possible our two quotable ex-WR's are of the opinion that Brett Favre was a more likeable teammate.
Tough call on whether their NFL analysis or their Star Trek analysis is worse.
. It's possible our two quotable ex-WR's are of the opinion that Brett Favre was a more likeable teammate.
..if so it is a sad commentary of the 2. "likeable" should never be confused with character & you would think that Jennings & Driver would know the difference.
Not quite sure why people are blaming the media for Driver's foot in mouth disease. He was asked legitimate questions about comments from Jennings and didn't handle it well, to put it mildly.
Because it's symptomatic of the media constantly picking at a non story to create a titillating morsel. Its cheap, hackneyed garbage. Personally, I have no doubt Rodgers has quite the ego but in the PR game he's been damn near flawless.
I have more issue with lazy slugs peddling crap that has become to be considered good journalism.
