@Koopla Krash posted:IMO, with the new kickoff rules, there will be more athletic players kept for coverage and returns vs slower-footed OL/DL (especially for backup roles). This is where the Packers OL to have the ability to play multiple positions will be critical. The days of having someone like Caleb Jones that can only be a backup OT may be over.
I can't help but think these new rules are no more than the NFL fat-shaming. I for one am going to sit in my comfy chair and protest.
Here is the LATEST version of the depth chart, as determined by me (RoyalWulff).
QB (2)—Love / Clifford (Pratt to PS unless we see something great during the preseason games.
RB (4)—Josh Jacobs, Dillon, MarShawn, Emanuel Wilson.
WR (6)—Watson, Doubs, Reed, Wicks, Melton. Plus either Heath or DuBose. Whichever of those 2 do not make it, they go to the PS or get traded.
OL (9)—Rasheed, Elgton “Rocket Man” Jenkins, Josh B’gosh, Jacob Monk, Zach Tom, Caleb Jones, Donovan Jennings, Sean Rhyan, Tenuta or Telfort (don’t know much about the latter 2).
TE (4)—Musgrave, Kraft Cheesehead, Ben Sims, Tyler Davis.
DL (9)—Preston, Lukas VN, Kenny Clark, Devonte Wyatt, T.J. Slayton, Karl Brooks, Rashan Gary, Enagbare, Colby Wooden.
LB (5)—McDuffie (“Beer Man”), Quay Walker, Edgerrin Cooper, Eric Wilson, Ty’Ron “Hop-a-long” Hopper.
CB (6)—Jaire, K. “Not a crook” Nixon, Stokes, Valentine, Ballantine, Robert Rochell or Kalen King (with the loser going to PS).
Safety (5)—Xavier, Javon Bullard, Evan Williams, Anthony Johnson, Kitan Oladapo.
Kicker (1)—Someone not named Anders (might not be on the team yet).
Punter (1)—Whelan
LS (1)—Peter “Badger” Bowden.
What do you think?
Disclaimer: While there’s a 98.8% chance that this is absolutely accurate, any bets in Vegas with this lineup are strictly your own liability. Also any statistical probabilities that I cite have a 38% chance of being accurate. You’ve BEEN WARNED!
On the bright side, at least your predictions actually add up to 53 players. 
DuBose in, Heath and Hicks to the PS and Toure gone.
Trade Toure for pick(s)
8th rounder
@Iowacheese posted:Trade Toure for pick(s)
Toure for Garrett Wilson and a future 7th.
Jets trade Rodgers new favorite guy?? Never....GM Aaron won't allow it
Yeah but they get TOURE in return.
@MichiganPacker2 posted:31 guys sitting.
https://www.packers.com/news/p...reseason-week-2-2024
7 LB Quay Walker
8 RB Josh Jacobs
9 WR Christian Watson
10 QB Jordan Love
11 WR Jayden Reed
13 WR Dontayvion Wicks
21 CB Eric Stokes
23 CB Jaire Alexander
25 CB Keisean Nixon
28 RB AJ Dillon
29 S Xavier McKinney
32 RB MarShawn Lloyd
35 RB Jarveon Howard
37 CB Carrington Valentine
50 T Zach Tom
51 LB Keshawn Banks
52 DL Rashan Gary
56 LB Edgerrin Cooper
58 LB Isaiah McDuffie
63 T Rasheed Walker
67 G/T Donovan Jennings
71 C/G Josh Myers
74 G/T Elgton Jenkins
77 T/G Jordan Morgan
85 TE Tucker Kraft
87 WR Romeo Doubs
88 TE Luke Musgrave
91 DL Preston Smith
93 DL T.J. Slaton
95 DL Devonte Wyatt
97 DL Kenny Clark
Pretty much 31 locks for the roster.
Who is your next 22 out of the guys playing?
Posted here for proper subject. Also in Broncos game thread.
Jarveon Howard & Keshawn Banks are a big surprise to me.
Maybe Howard and Banks are going to get cut and Packers' office doesn't want them injured?
Everybody: Who's the #1 WR??
MLF: I want to Vomit
All he has to say is...."The receiver that's open!" End of discussion. Follow Rodgers from 2011, MLF.
With the exception of 2 or 3 players, (Possibly) I think we can consider those 31 players on the sidelines yesterday "locks" for the initial final 53 to the start the season.
When are they expanding to 60? Probably sooner than we think.
@Boris posted:Pretty much 31 locks for the roster.
Who is your next 22 out of the guys playing?
Posted here for proper subject. Also in Broncos game thread.
Jarveon Howard & Keshawn Banks are a big surprise to me.
Donovan Jennings isn't making the team. Neither is Banks. Howard is a long, long shot. My guess is one or more of them wasn't close enough to 100% to play in a preseason game. Might be a guy or two they know won't make the team but they have seen enough to know they want him on the PS and they don't want to put out any more tape of the player.
@Boris posted:When are they expanding to 60? Probably sooner than we think.
Gotta think the next CBA with the 18 game season will have an expanded roster.
Another voice.
Good reasoning, but don't choose Joseph! Please!
I think a certain LB and DE might have won a spot today.
@Tavis Smiley posted:8th rounder
Such a thing actually exists. If it were strictly a 7 round draft there would be 224 picks (32 teams X 7 rounds). So how come each draft approximates 256 picks each year? The 32 picks it takes to get there are those COMP picks they sprinkle in each round - starting with about the 3rd round. Technically, those COMP picks = the 8th round. Since they are now tradable, you could trade Toure for the last comp pick the team gets or (if the team doesn't get any comp picks) for the last pick they own as a team. Either way, it should be worth it.
I think they keep 7 WRs.
"The MLF - Packers" are in 12 personnel 33 % of the time - one of the highest rates in the league.
With only 2 WRs on the field that often, it kinda doesn't make sense to roster 7 WRs. And with so many 2 TE sets, it doesn't make sense to keep only 3 TEs
If you look at this link below, it shows snap counts by game and most games GB had 5 WRs and 4 TE active on Sundays.
https://www.footballguys.com/s...eam=GB&year=2023
6 WR and 4 TE seems most likely for this team, we'll find out on Tuesday.
On the RB side, you can also see in that link- GB had 3 RBs active every game day. If you put both AJ Dillon and Marshawn Lloyd on short- term IR, then you need another RB for the 1st 4 games to fill out your game day roster.
And that opens another dilemma because if you release a guy like Merriweather, he might get snatched up and then you only have 2 RBs ( Jacobs-Wilson) for the 1st 4 games until Dillon/Lloyd come back.
Ryan Wood (GB Press Gazette) thinks we keep 7 WR's:
How deep can you go on a 53? I think the Packers have eight viable NFL receivers: these seven and Samori Toure. It would not surprise me if Toure finds himself on a 53-man roster at some point this fall, but he’s effectively WR8 on this team. It’s a brutal place for him to be. I see the Packers' receiver depth chart in tiers. There is the clear top four: Watson, Doubs, Reed, Wicks. If everyone stays healthy, they will play the large bulk of snaps. Then there is Heath and Melton, in either order. Two receivers who made plays last season and provide quality depth and special-teams ability. Heath had the better preseason, and his blocking is an added bonus. Melton became the first Packers receiver to cross 100 yards in a game last season, showing his potential for playmaking. DuBose is the definition of a bubble player. He’s probably had a better training camp than Heath or Melton, but he’s also inexperienced after spending all of last season on the practice squad. Could the Packers keep seven receivers? Could they get away with only six? It depends on whether Gutekunst feels he needs to save a spot for another position on his roster.
Predicting Packers 53-man roster: Kicker, backup quarterback in flux (packersnews.com)
Wood's take on the DE position:
Arron Mosby could not have stamped a better conclusion on his preseason than his two takeaway plays Saturday against the Baltimore Ravens. On the first, Mosby rushed unblocked to sack Devin Leary, hitting him so hard the football flung backward toward the goal line, where safety Anthony Johnson Jr. scooped it and scored. Then Mosby intercepted a pass thrown directly to him. They were noticeable plays, and while second-year defensive end Cox has more upside as a pass rusher, it would not be a shock if Mosby replaces Cox on the 53. I’m going with the totality of training camp, and potential. Either way, the fifth defensive end is a special-teams position. The Packers have a quality four-man rotation here.
Predicting Packers 53-man roster: Kicker, backup quarterback in flux (packersnews.com)
Everyone thinks it's a battle between Mosby and Cox for the last spot. My hot take is keep them both over Kingsley Enagbare. He's had a quiet pre-season and doesn't look the same to me after his injury last year. Also seems like we know what his ceiling is and it's as a backup.
What do you guys think?
@YATittle posted:I think they keep 7 WRs.
Only way they keep 7 is if the 7th is instrumental to special teams, or you're worried about another team poaching them.
Certainly another team would sign Melton just because of his 100yd game last year. Heath had the best preseason stats of any WR. But I think Dubose as the 7th is the odd man out. He's not so important to ST's to give him a roster spot and there's a good chance no other team is going to sign him to their 53. He would be the most likely of those 3 to make it to the PS.
Because the PS rules are so much more flexible than they have been in years past, the 53 man roster decision I think is more about who you think you could lose to other teams than anything.
Tough call. Did Mosby look good because he was up against backups in the last preseason game where no one wants to get hurt? (Even those who know they won't make the team want to stay healthy in case they get a call from someone else.) Has Cox improved or plateaued? What's the ceiling on both?
I think Gutey has some tough decisions to make. I think Toure finds himself on the PS, as does either Heath or DuBose -- but they up their pay to keep them. It wouldn't surprise me if they did the same with Enagbare, just to give him a bit more time to heal. An ACL without a repair is a tricky thing to trust.
Predictions for our backup QB…Clifford, Pratt or bring in a player released by another team?
Pratt and pay Clifford to keep him on the PS. Pratt's athleticism is much better and I think he'll be more consistent in the future. His TD throw on Saturday to Melton was excellent. Clifford is more limited, but I like his game sense and his competitiveness. In short, I can see someone claiming Pratt, but not Clifford.
@Fandame posted:Pratt and pay Clifford to keep him on the PS. Pratt's athleticism is much better and I think he'll be more consistent in the future. His TD throw on Saturday to Melton was excellent. Clifford is more limited, but I like his game sense and his competitiveness. In short, I can see someone claiming Pratt, but not Clifford.
You can't "pay Clifford" to keep him on the PS. All PS players with two or less seasons in the NFL make the same amount, there's no negotiation. It's only once you get to year 3 that you can negotiate higher pay (and even then it's a very small diff between max and min pay).
Counting down Roster spots
QB - 1) Love 2) Backup not on roster
RB - 3) Josh 4) E. Wilson - Dillon/Lloyd. IR (he'll be back)
WR - 5,6,7,8 (Big 4) 9) Melton 10) M. Heath
TE - 11,12 (Big 2) 13) Davis 14) Sims
OL - 15-19 (Big 5) 20-23) Monk, Rhyan, Telfort, Glover
DL - (24-34) Gary, Van Ness, Clark, Slaton, Enagbare, Wyatt, Wooden, Schad, Smith, Brooks, Cox
LB - (35-39) Cooper, Walker, McDuffie, Welch, Hopper
DB - (40-50) Jaire, Stokes, Ballantine, Valentine, Nixon, King, X, A. Johnson, Evan Williams, Oladapo, Bullard
LS, P, K - (51-53) Orzech, Whelen, (K not on roster)
DuBose & Pratt on PS
🤷🏻That's what I got for now. New information always comes in over the next 24-48 hours.
DuBose won't last on the PS
@YATittle posted:
A good point in this article is that Joseph's salary is fully guaranteed if he starts week 1 and he has a cap hit that is $200k more than Carlson. That alone would mean if they are keeping either one, it'll probably not be Joseph given they've basically performed the same during TC.
@YATittle posted:DuBose won't last on the PS
Sure he would.
@YATittle posted:DuBose won't last on the PS
Fans often over value PS-type players. Every team has several players they hope they can cut and resign to PS. Fans think tend to think their PS players are far and above better than other teams’.
Boris - you’re missing Marshawn Lloyd.
@PackLandVA posted:Fans often over value PS-type players. Every team has several players they hope they can cut and resign to PS. Fans think tend to think their PS players are far and above better than other teams’.
Overvaluing camp fodder, typical YA move
@PackLandVA posted:Boris - you’re missing Marshawn Lloyd.
IR with Dillon. Fixed it
@PackLandVA posted:Fans often over value PS-type players. Every team has several players they hope they can cut and resign to PS. Fans think tend to think their PS players are far and above better than other teams’.
Pete Bukowski mentioned Malik Heath with actual NFL tape vs. DuBose who really has none during the regular season.
If someone is desperate for a 6th WR (cough Niners, if they trade Aiyuk, wheeze) DuBose could get picked up off PS. That's the chance you take. DuBose is a 7th round draft pick. There's a reason he lasted into the 7th round.
