Evaluating the tallent of the Team

FLPACKER posted:

We played almost the entire game without what would have been our top 4 receivers in preseason......what would Carson Palmer have looked like last night without his top 4 receivers? 

He crapped the bed last night with one of the best sets of WRs in the NFL. 

He had one great pass to the back corner of the end zone and a couple of nice passes to Fitzgerald down the sideline. Other than that, he got a ricochet TD pass, a shovel pass for a TD, and at least 2 more dropped INTs to go with the two they caught. 

packerboi posted:

A designated WR coach is a must, I completely agree. At times Cobb and Adams we're also running some really schitty routes as well this season. Instead of sharp, precise cuts we were seeing a lot of "rounded" routes with poor execution. We saw none of that when Bennett was running that show. And how much of that also rubbed off on Janis! or Abby in practice? Makes you wonder.

As well as running into each other.

Va. Packer posted:

excalibur posted:

No one is a bigger Janis booster than I am, but let us not get giddy over what he did yesterday. He isn't a great route runner at this time, but it is mind boggling that MM did nothing to take advantage of what he can do all season long.

What we need is AR to return to his career form, because for large parts of yesterday's game he was not that. The pick six (recalled by a fortuitous flag), more scatter arm passes as he missed open receivers, missing Cobb once or twice early on when Cobb had beaten his guy, one could have been a TD if memory serves.

So yeah, the amazing end of the game completions to Janis, those throws, but they need not have been in that hole to begin with had AR played at his expected high level that he has in his career.

I don't recall those  passes to Cobb in the same way. I recall Cobb flat whiffing on a perfectly placed pass early on and someone posting from twitter where the observer said Cobb was open "if Rodgers could have waited". Rodgers will be as good as his supporting cast allows him to be. Just like Greg Jennings, Donald Driver and Jermichael Finley suggested. It was deemed blasphemy when they said it though. 

I'd like to see him not HAVING TO make as many plays with his feet and hit less. The Packers would be better for it. 

Rogers clearly missed a streaking Cobb inside the 10yd line having a clear step on the DB. That was totally on #12 and cost us 4 pts.

You can add Micah Hyde to the list of players who got PT over younger and more talented players.  So far we have:

1. Adams vs Janis / Abby
2. Barclay vs Tretter
3. Hyde vs Rollins 
4. Hyde punt return vs Abby punt return.
5. Goodson vs Guntner

They hit a 0 for this season in selecting subs for PT.   Even last night,  the 2nd half adjustment was to sit Janis while playing DikRod at WR and Perillo at TE.   Insane.

I would also add Tretter vs Linsley but most wouldn't agree.

Updated 2016 Draft Order

the team has plenty of talent, including WR. evinced by their performance against the odds on Super Bowl favorite last night. in a way, it makes it more frustrating. finally seeing their potential yet having to wait until next season.

throw Jordy, Monty, Cobb back in there. Hope Adams and Janis can find their form as perimeter threats, hopefully Abby can stay healthy. Add a TE in FA or the draft and all the sudden you have a very lethal group of receivers for AR.

Why do the Vikings and Bungles draft ahead of the Packers?  They both won their respective divisions and had better records than the Packers. Just because we drew a weak playoff opponent we should not be penalized in the draft order. 

BrainDed posted:

You can add Micah Hyde to the list of players who got PT over younger and more talented players.  So far we have:

1. Adams vs Janis / Abby
2. Barclay vs Tretter
3. Hyde vs Rollins 
4. Hyde punt return vs Abby punt return.
5. Goodson vs Guntner

They hit a 0 for this season in selecting subs for PT.   Even last night,  the 2nd half adjustment was to sit Janis while playing DikRod at WR and Perillo at TE.   Insane.

I would also add Tretter vs Linsley but most wouldn't agree.

I would add Hayward vs. Randall at outside CB to start the season.  Whitt Jr. insisted Hayward could play outside despite it not even passing the eyeball test.  Obviously, that got rectified in-season.

Good point, I forgot about that.  At least Whitt made the change early, unlike every other scenarios we've discussed here.

Along these lines, the drafting and development and consistent roster turnover has seemingly had a negative effect- the Packers have trouble getting over the hump. 

Much is being made about the 5 of 7 playoff losses under McCarthy on the last play of the game thing- is it bad luck or bad coaching? 

It is at least plausible that it's a result of the philosophy itself. The roster stays one of the youngest in the NFL year after year. The drawback of course is veterans. Less experienced players do tend to make mistakes. Should it be a surprise that a blown coverage cost the Packers in the playoffs? Or that young WRs are not running correct routes or making correct reads? Or your bellcow rb doesn't dedicate himself to off-season training to prepare for the pounding of 16 games plus playoffs? These kinds of things happen with a roster full of young players. 

Now I don't know who blew the coverage Sunday night. Maybe it was a vet. But all I know is that there's a slim margin between winning and losing, and veteran players have been the difference in many of them. My hope is that the guys lost to injury can come back 100% so that the experience gained by the you gets guys who played in their stead can be a net positive without being pushed into the starting role again. And that young players who have shown promise can take the next step. 

If the Packers get this, I feel sorry for their opponents next year. It'll be an all-out blitzkrieg..  

Music City posted:

The roster stays one of the youngest in the NFL year after year. The drawback of course is veterans. Less experienced players do tend to make mistakes.  

Sure, younger players tend to make mistakes, but so do the vets.

Peppers and Burnett

Peppers and Hayward

What Hungry5 said. And Rodgers ignoring Abby and Janis when they were open. See banacyk column in P-G

YooperPackfan posted:

I still say draft a wideout high, Jones will be gone, Abby is made of glass, Nelson is getting long in the tooth, Montgomery and Cobb are clones of each other and you can't call Janis the next Jordy based off one game

I still don't like saying they're "clones". Monty's 4 inches taller than Cobb and has longer arms. They both have a fairly stout build, but other than that, not much. 

Monty much thicker/stronger than Cobb.  This will make him even better running stuff out of the backfield.  The kid breaks tackles.

Didn't Monty start his career as a RB? 

No. Ty's college stats.

He did play WR, RB, and QB in HS at a private (all boys) high school in the Dallas area.

ammo posted:

Why do the Vikings and Bungles draft ahead of the Packers? 

They both got knocked out in the wildcard round of the playoffs.  We got knocked out in the division round.

So in beating Washington we actually lost.  

If you ask me it was a big win.  They were lost in the sauce there for a while.  I don't think that would have been a good way to go into the offseason.  I think the team came back together in the playoffs.