Fair warning

Classic over-reaction to an isolated incident

That being said, if X4 is any indication - the number of chicken littles running around is much higher than I would have guessed

Cavity searches are next

Cavity Searches?????

does that mean Henry now will go to every game?

So the NFL wants to encourage fans to come to the game by:

Pushing generations of loyal fans who kept their business alive through the hard times into the nosebleed seats or out of the stadium altogether with PSL's, jacking up the price of attending the game to the equivalent of a month's rent, doing everything they can to eliminate tail gaiting, and making fans stand in lines longer than it takes to get through the local DMV with the added bonus of being fondled by some seven dollar an hour rent a cop.

Sounds like a great Sunday.

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Originally posted by SanDiegoPackFan:
Cavity Searches?????

does that mean Henry now will go to every game?

I'm hoping they can dig out a few of those radishes that went missing.

Let me know if any of you ladies would like to give up your tickets.

Classic Van Halen album!!

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Originally posted by Satori:
Classic over-reaction to an isolated incident

What it did was put the NFL on notice, is what the per$onal injury lawyer will say.

I smell insurance lawyers.

So weak. I can't believe the Packers caved on this. It was only a recommendation.

What was the NFL going to do, kick out the NFL's most storied franchise?

Weak, limp and lame.

Now everybody be good little fans and bend the rest of the way over. Terror is on the rise, don'tcha know.

The thing is, what happens to the NFL if some knucklehead brings in a weapon or a bomb to a jam packed stadium and kills 10s,100's, or 1000s of people. If they didnt have security measures like this in place they couldn't say that they did everything possible to prevent a tragedy like this from occurring. Given the billions of dollars invested in this sport and arenas which hold many more people than an airplane...

It's not inconceivable anymore. If you think it is reactionary, just look at what happened in New York 10 years ago. If you dont think it's going to happen again... you're crazy. The NFL is just taking simple steps to protect their backside #1.. and ensure safety.

What is the big deal? Really?

You have to put up with other inconvenieces going to the game, like waiting in long lines for food/drinks, or the bathrooms, etc. Don't even get me started on the rubes that either 1) can't hold their liquor or 2) drink way too damn much and ruin the experience for everyone else.

If anyone wants to give up their season tickets because of this great injustice please PM me. I'll gladly take them off your hands.

The problem with that logic Digg is that instead of getting blown up inside the stadium now you'll get blown up in the line waiting to get inside the stadium. There's no way to stop it and you'll be just as dead. People have been blowing up bombs long before the modern terrorists ever came along.. I'll take the infinitesimally small chance of being blown up over this crap happening to kids any day.



The number of creeps out there far outweighs the number of people who want to blow you up.

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Originally posted by Tschmack:
What is the big deal? Really?

It's that attitude that leads to that video being possible. The problem is it creates a mentality that this is a good thing to do. Expect that idea to be repeated at the train station, at the malls, at the movies, and at the schools. When it finally gets to the point of lunacy where some dumb ass is stripping a kid and no one is doing a damn thing about it. That is the big deal.

What we really need is a nice little sectioned off part of the stadium for all the people that are scared to death of anything bad happening to them. They can all pay their extra safety service fee and get wanded, stripped, fondled, cavity searched and irradiated while the rest of us that are rational can go about our free lives in peace without the hassle. There's a thing called dignity and it's worth fighting for.

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Originally posted by Pakrz:
Let me know if any of you ladies would like to give up your tickets.

baa indeed....ewe know what I mean

The probability of a student being killed or seriously injured by violence is significantly greater than the probability of being killed or seriously injured by fire. No child has been killed by school fire in North America in over a quarter of a century, but in the 2004/2005 school year, 48 people were murdered in American schools. These are usually random acts of violence, or shootings by students as opposed to acts of terrorism, but the defense against terrorist attacks in our schools, as outlined in this article, is largely the same as the defense against school shootings.

Thus, our children are dozens of times more likely to be killed by violence than fire, and thousands of times more likely to be seriously injured by violence as compared to fire. Yet, in any school you can look around and see fire sprinklers, smoke alarms, fire exits, and fire extinguishers. If we can spend all that money and time preparing for fire (and we should, since every life is precious) shouldn't we spend time and money preparing for the thing that is far more likely to kill or injure a child?

The most negligent, unprofessional, obscene words anyone can ever say are: "It will never happen here." When someone asks, "Do you really think there will be a terrorist act or a school shooting here?" Just point to the fire exit and say, "Do you really think there will be a fire here?” No, we don't think there will ever be a fire here. But we would be morally, criminally negligent if we did not prepare for the possibility. And the same is far, far truer of school violence."

http://www.killology.com/schoolattack.htm

perfectly put titmfatied. with you 100%.
it's got nothing to do with the hassle of it but everything to do with dignity and the spread of fascism and living in fear.

I don't fear my fellow man. If that ends up killing me so be it. It's just a short trip on a blue ball in space anyway.

The ones living in fear are the ones who think they need to bring a weapon to a football game. Blame them.

I'm kind of with you Dan. I've never felt the need to take one of my guns to dinner and a movie.

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Originally posted by titmfatied:
There's a thing called dignity and it's worth fighting for.

Is this ironic coming from someone/anyone on this board?

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Originally posted by Diggr14:
The thing is, what happens to the NFL if some knucklehead brings in a weapon or a bomb to a jam packed stadium and kills 10s,100's, or 1000s of people. If they didnt have security measures like this in place they couldn't say that they did everything possible to prevent a tragedy like this from occurring. Given the billions of dollars invested in this sport and arenas which hold many more people than an airplane...

It's not inconceivable anymore. If you think it is reactionary, just look at what happened in New York 10 years ago. If you dont think it's going to happen again... you're crazy. The NFL is just taking simple steps to protect their backside #1.. and ensure safety.

Who knew Diggr was smarter than the rest of you?

well, they better start doing it at college football games, movie theaters, grocery stores, hockey games, basketball games, nascar, stock car, indy car, PGA, concerts, church.... if it's smart for the NFL than it's smart for every gaddam gathering in the country.

(by the way, it's reactionary stupid and VH hasn't had a good album since the first one)

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well, they better start doing at

Or what?

Bottom line is they'll do whatever they want. It's America. You have a choice to make. If you want to go to a game, there's a procedure to get into the stadium. Don't like it? Don't go. Ah... freedom of choice!! God Bless America!

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Originally posted by Pakrz:

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Originally posted by Diggr14:
The thing is, what happens to the NFL if some knucklehead brings in a weapon or a bomb to a jam packed stadium and kills 10s,100's, or 1000s of people. If they didnt have security measures like this in place they couldn't say that they did everything possible to prevent a tragedy like this from occurring. Given the billions of dollars invested in this sport and arenas which hold many more people than an airplane...

It's not inconceivable anymore. If you think it is reactionary, just look at what happened in New York 10 years ago. If you dont think it's going to happen again... you're crazy. The NFL is just taking simple steps to protect their backside #1.. and ensure safety.

Who knew Diggr was smarter than the rest of you?

You do realize the titanic size of the softball you just lobbed up?

Roger that Hank.

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Originally posted by Pakrz:

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well, they better start doing at

Or what?

Bottom line is they'll do whatever they want. It's America. You have a choice to make. If you want to go to a game, there's a procedure to get into the stadium. Don't like it? Don't go. Ah... freedom of choice!! God Bless America!

You do realize the the super size titanic softball you just lobbed up?

Diggr is smart enough to be a cop.

I, for one, am shocked.

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Or what?

just saying if you got no problem with it at an NFL game expect it soon at all those other places. it's one ugly slippery slope we've been on and this is just another slide.

Its not a surprise that IC and Pakrz view the world through cop colored glasses, but the rest of us don't want to live in a police state ( may be too late )

This is nothing more than CYA for the lawyers and has no material impact on whether or not the boogeyman will invade a stadium

The AARP rent- a- cops aren't doing anything more than a show for the chicken littles. Somebody wants to blow up a stadium ? They will

This is a theatrical farce and part of a very slippery slope

By the way, love the fascist comments " Take it or leave it" and apparently "leave it" is happening at many of the empty stadiums around the league- hence the blackouts

at Hank. Quite the softball, eh?

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Originally posted by Satori:
Its not a surprise that IC and Pakrz view the world through cop colored glasses, but the rest of us don't want to live in a police state ( may be too late )

Nope. Look, if someone is THAT determined to bring an explosive device into a stadium, a shopping mall, or anywhere else where mass people are attending a
security measure with a 19 year old college student making 9 bucks an hour holding a TSA wand won't be stopping them.

TSA agents complete with X-Ray equipment and other equipment who go through more training then these people screw up with regularity and let banned substances, weapons, etc through. Now you're going to tell me, with even less training, pay, and equipment some kid with a wand is going to stop a terrorist from blowing up an NFL stadium?

We love to tailgate in this country. All he'd need to is bring in a car packed with explosives, park it in the middle of the lot and press the button.

This notion that the government can make us safe and immune to any of this is IMO is the equivelent of putting your head in the sand and feeding into fear fear fear and more fear that we need to create more of these bull**** policies and WAH-LAA! We're safe.

Fear and freedom do not go hand-in-hand.

I'm still willing to help out by relieving anybody of their tickets.

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Originally posted by Satori:
This is nothing more than CYA for the lawyers and has no material impact on whether or not the boogeyman will invade a stadium

The AARP rent- a- cops aren't doing anything more than a show for the chicken littles. Somebody wants to blow up a stadium ? They will

This kind of stuff has been going on since the 80's. I DJ'd in Nightclubs back in the day and they had wands and pat downs back then too. 9/11 just ushered in a new era of paranoia and put it on a larger stage/scale.

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Originally posted by Satori:
This is nothing more than CYA for the lawyers and has no material impact on whether or not the boogeyman will invade a stadium

And guess what? When the doddering old men put on their show and some nut still blows up a stadium, everybody is still getting sued to the stone age. The CYA won't mean a thing with regards to the size of the check that's written.

I volunteer to give Diggy his first body cavity search.



I'm lube-free. It helps the environment.

Folks are just going to have to start entering the stadium earlier now cuz the lines will take even longer now to get in. Even before this it was a pretty long time to get in if you tried about 30 to 45 minutes before KO.

Now those sneaking in a metal flask with booze or a few cans of beer will likely have to trash them on the way in or leave and return without them.

How sensitive are these wands? Cuz if they pick up car keys or coins for instance and people have to dig them out of their pockets then pass the wand test, my god it could take 5 hours to get everybody in the stadium.

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Originally posted by DurangoDoug:
How sensitive are these wands? Cuz if they pick up car keys or coins for instance and people have to dig them out of their pockets then pass the wand test, my god it could take 5 hours to get everybody in the stadium.

I may have to put that stuff in a clear baggie so it is easy to get out of my pocket.

It is a slippery slope. Take a look at the U.S. Supreme Court docket. There is a case where cops -- without a court order, warrant, or any other oversight -- attached a GPS to the underside of a guy's vehicle for a month so they could monitor him. They later made a drug bust off that info. Now take a look at the SC's makeup of more conservatives than moderates or liberals. Which way do you think that case will go when it's expected to be decided next year? It is a walloping big privacy issue with more like it on the way...

If someone wants to blow up a stadium, they will. The pre-game wanding, etc., is only for lawsuit protection. You take away the possibility of a lawsuit in the event of a terroristic event and the wanding, etc., would go away.

Sometimes I think that at the rate it's going, especially in the case of especially teens and others saying they don't mind being constantly monitored because "I got nothing to hide," that our Constitution's Fourth Amendment will quietly disappear one day.

Can't wait to go through a metal detector to enter my favorite dining establishment.

What's next? My car needs to go through a metal detector to pull up to a gas pump? That's a potential BOMB!!!

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Originally posted by Diggr14:
The thing is,

You read "Sum Of All Fears" by Tom Clancy - or see the movie? BTW, it's a different stadium in the movie than in the book. Don't have to exactly get the "device" in the stadium.

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ake a look at the U.S. Supreme Court docket. There is a case where cops -- without a court order, warrant, or any other oversight -- attached a GPS to the underside of a guy's vehicle for a month so they could monitor him. They later made a drug bust off that info. Now take a look at the SC's makeup of more conservatives than moderates or liberals. Which way do you think that case will go when it's expected to be decided next year? It is a walloping big privacy issue with more like it on the way...

I wouldn't make this a conservative/liberal thing. All of the justices have certain constitutional amendments to which they're more hostile than the country at large. For some it's the Fourth; for others it's the First or Second. I'm not willing to give up any of those rights.

At least we don't have anybody openly hostile to the Third Amendment.

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Originally posted by Fedya:
At least we don't have anybody openly hostile to the Third Amendment.

True, the SC judges all have their pet projects/hatreds. Good point. (Two good books on the SC: The Nine by Toobin, and The Brethren by ?) As for the Third Amendment, aren't we in several "wars" right now? Drug war, war in Iraq/Afghanistan, etc.? All it would take was one little "law" and you might be hearing those boots!