Flynn - Franchise Article and a question?

Wouldn't there be salary cap ramifications for the time that he's on the team? And if he's on the roster for the first game of the season, aren't the Packers on the hook for the entire salary? Or has the new CBA changed these things?

The Shadow knows.

I'm talking about the Packers releasing Flynn after a couple of weeks on the roster....long before the start of the season and the end of free agency.

I'm fairly certain that's guaranteed money and the Packers would retain the salary cap hit.

In Ted We Trust

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Originally posted by michiganjoe:
I'm fairly certain that's guaranteed money and the Packers would retain the salary cap hit.

Correct. The franchise total is all guaranteed, expected to be about $14M for a QB. From everything I've been reading, tag and trade is going to be tricky with a back up QB. It gives potential trade partners leverage knowing that the Packers can't keep a backup QB at that price and it gives Flynn leverage knowing he doesn't have to accept the restructured deal that would have to happen before a trade.

I'm guessing the Cassel trade was largely aided by the friendly nature of the teams involved. If anyone can make it work, its Ted, but it sounds like there may be too many complications.

I think the best deal we get is to sign and then trade Flynn and our 1st round pick for the 1st round pick for a team picking in the top 12 (Redskins, Dolphins, Jaguars, Seahawks).

Those teams aren't going to get Luck or Griffin at their spot in the draft. For those teams, it is a win because they get a QB without spending a draft pick, keep a first round pick, and not get in a bidding war for Flynn.

For us, we don't lose Flynn to free agency and just receive a compensation pick (3rd round or worse) in 2013. And, we move up to a spot where we can get an immediate impact LB to complement Matthews, or a very good DE.

And for Flynn, he gets a good contract without the hassle of hitting the open market.

My plums are swelling just thinking about the possibility of swapping #32 for a top 10 pick.

I think you guys are crazy for thinking Flynn will bring a swap of #1s. Cassel and Kolb are 2 examples why Flynn won't get as much as you think even if he does get the tag. (which I can't see happening)

Cassel and Kolb are overpaid. However, is Flynn better than Gabbert, Grossman, Travaris Jackson, or Matt Moore?

While Flynn is not going to get franchise money, he is going to get a shot at being a starting QB next year. And, it isn't out of reason for any of those four teams to want to get Flynn via trade for a reasonable contract and the swap of #1s. All four of those teams are proof that if you don't have a QB, you aren't going to win.

A swap of #1s to get a what looks to be a NFL caliber QB is not too much to pay.

Ask the 'former' Bears GM how important having a good backup is.

TT will make a move to either keep him, or find a steady backup. Its imperative not to be left with a Caleb Haney or TJ Rubley.

I hope he ends up in Denver. AFC already has good defense good coach some weapons and it will be proven next weekend that Tebow time is over.

Someone refresh my memory, how did the Pats get picks for Matt Cassel?

I bet that he ends up in Seattle with Schneider.

I believe there are so many destinations that teams will offer TT a second to lock him in. I believe Ted will strike some sort of deal with many teams that need an experienced QB as the final piece. I could see Seattle as a.willing trading partner.

I like Matt Flynn and hope he ends up in a good place but I'd prefer it be AFC

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Originally posted by Orono:
Someone refresh my memory, how did the Pats get picks for Matt Cassel?

Pretty sure this was just a case of former Patriot execs trying to establish NE West in Kansas City. Just looked back at his line for that year, and he had a season rating of 89.

What the Packers do with Finley factors into what the Packers do with Flynn. From what I read the Packers were planning to Tag him. At least this will give Ted and the Packer brain trust something to think about for the next couple of months. Too bad Brak does not have Ted's job right now then we would be sure we would have a stinkey mess at the end of the process.

Seattle or Washington are where I think we will end up seeing Flynn go if he makes it to free agency. He won't go to those places if we tag and trade him, unless it's for a very lucrative draft day trade package. If we do tag and trade him, which I think is very possible, I think it will be to an AFC team...Miami is the most likely place depending on who is hired as their coach. Cleveland is another place considering Pat Shurmurs philosophy and Colt McCoys concussion problems and physical limitations. I seriously doubt The Walrus is sold on McCoy. Heck I wouldn't rule out a trade to the Jets if NY is looking for competition with Sanchez.

What would we get for Flynn? I think, depending on the team, a package that will overall place a 3rd round value on Flynn. A swap of 2nd rounders + Flynn or Flynn + our 3rd for a top 10 3rd round pick. Either way we're going to get a really good return on our investment of Flynn.

If I was Flynn and the Packers tagged me at $14m I would run to sign that contract. I am not knowledgeable on the subject, but I can't imagine he would get much more than $15 million in guaranteed money in FA, so why not sign it and then get another $15 million guaranteed next year as FA. Finley is a different subject since 1) he is a started and 2) the Franchise $$ is only like $5 million.

OTO, if he did sign the Franchise tender, the Packers cap space would be in a worl d of hurt.

Peyton will be passing the ball in Washington next year

Again, for any tag and trade deal to happen there must be trust between TT, Flynn and his Agent. First, an agreement not to sign the tag. Then a list of agreeable teams that Flynn would accept going to. Then, TT behind the scenes working out the trade from that list. Finally, getting Flynn's contract worked out. I think Flynn would be agreeable to this scenario in return for all the good coaching up MM and crew have done to get him to this point.

It can happen, but there must be some trust and handshake agreements on how it goes down. If Flynn and Agent are not on board with this TT IMHO cant do a tag and trade.

I cant speculate on the value we'd get in the trade other than it should be at least better than any comp pick we'd get a year later.

Flynn has proven over time that he cannot be trusted.

DD you hit the nail on the head.

The only problem with your scenario is the fact that TT will also need to figure out Finley first. You can't tag 2 players in one year.

Ted won't franchise Flynn unless he's 100% sure he can deal him immediately. Otherwise, he'll have to let him go and just take a ompensatory pick.

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Originally posted by DurangoDoug:
Again, for any tag and trade deal to happen there must be trust between TT, Flynn and his Agent. First, an agreement not to sign the tag. Then a list of agreeable teams that Flynn would accept going to. Then, TT behind the scenes working out the trade from that list. Finally, getting Flynn's contract worked out. I think Flynn would be agreeable to this scenario in return for all the good coaching up MM and crew have done to get him to this point.

It can happen, but there must be some trust and handshake agreements on how it goes down. If Flynn and Agent are not on board with this TT IMHO cant do a tag and trade.

I cant speculate on the value we'd get in the trade other than it should be at least better than any comp pick we'd get a year later.

Maybe I am missing something, but what is in it for Flynn in this scenario? If he becomes an FA he gets to have 3-5 teams bidding for his services and can max out his potential. Everyone knows that the Packers aren't going pay him $14m to backup Rodgers. So the threat of the Franchise tag is not a threat. I just don't understand the scenario where they tag him and then trade him.

Why would Flynn want his new team to have less draft picks?

I am not sure any tag and trade plan will work. Another possibility is that the Packers can trade him before free agency starts. But Flynn will have to agree to a contract with the new team. Another team reason to trade for him would be to keep him off the market and insure they get Flynn.
Hmm Silverstien stole my idea, well he write about it anyway. Trade him before he becomes a free agent.
http://www.jsonline.com/sports...3ld06-136557403.html

hmm Silverstien sources think the PAck should at least get #1 for Flynn perhaps a 1 and 3. I quess Ted could use the Tag as a threat before free agency starts.

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Originally posted by YATittle:
....teams will offer TT a second to lock him in....

Many Packer fans in the past were probably guilty of overvaluing Flynn but Sunday provided some clarity as to market value. I don't think a two is enough and a mid-rounder in addition sounds about right.

It's a very complicated transaction and Finley makes it more so, but the likelihood of a Flynn tag and trade has increased significantly.

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Originally posted by turnip blood:
... Another possibility is that the Packers can trade him before free agency starts. But Flynn will have to agree to a contract with the new team. Another team reason to trade for him would be to keep him off the market and insure they get Flynn.
Hmm Silverstien stole my idea, well he write about it anyway. Trade him before he becomes a free agent.
http://www.jsonline.com/sports...3ld06-136557403.html

This. I think TT will have a trade partner in place before free agency hits. Flynn signs a contract with the other team's blessing, and they do the deal. It keeps Flynn off the open market, gives the other team the guy they want (most likely at a lower price), and gives us a better deal than the compensatory pick.

No way TT uses the franchise tag on Flynn to make him the highest Packer; Rodgers may have some trouble with that, and who wants to tick off your franchise player?

Rest assured that TT has a plan; we just don't know what it is yet.

pretty sure whatever happens, it was Ted's plan.

I know this is blasephemous, but what about signing Flynn, and trading Rodgers. I know Rodgers is a stud, but it looks like Flynn can be pretty good as well. With this trade it would do a few things:

1) Our Salary strucutre for the QB wouldn't be outrageous.
2) We would probably end up with a few good draft picks, to load up on DEF.
3) We would have the $$$ spent on Rodgers (extension) to lock up Raji, Matthews, Bulaga, etc.
4) Rodgers is going to be the highest paid player in the league next year, and it could be tough to keep some of the other pieces with significant $$$ going to one player.

I do not beleive this could/would be done, but it might put the Packers in a spot to compete for the next decade+.

Finally, if this was to looked at, what do you think is Rodgers trade value?

Q- What does having one of the top 5 QB's get you every single year?

A- Playoffs


Q- Why would you take a chance on another guy when you have one of the top 5 QB's in the league in his prime?

A- you are stupid

Flynn had a very good game Sunday but let's not get carried away. The gap in talent between he and AR is significant.

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Originally posted by YATittle:
I hope he ends up in Denver. AFC already has good defense good coach some weapons and it will be proven next weekend that Tebow time is over.

I don't. Denver is the last place i would ever want to see him. not only did they cheat the Cap during their SB years, but, they beat the Pack while doing it.
Flynn is too good for them. I hope that Denver rots in He!! with Tebow.
I have nothing to base it on, but I really feel and believe that something major is wrong with the guy. no one is that perfect.......

I would actually rather see Flynn go to the queens! at least then we could say that the NFC North has perhaps/probably the best starting QB's league-wide.
Just think about how much fun it would be for us fans.... every divisional game would be a ?..... 4 very good to excellent QBs, battling against each-other...
this is what i want, an NFC north that is un-equalled in power!

My dream is to see every team in the North to go 13-3 with GB winning the division... too bad there are only 2 wild cards..........
oh, well, the queens should then stay home.
the Lions at least have some good history.. perhaps from 50-60 years ago, but still, it is, championship history....

Well, Rodgers is over 27 now which is the "magic age" for Packer QBs to win Super Bowls.

But seriously, Rodgers' value is greatest to the Packers.

Trading Rodgers is out of the question. I can't believe I'm about to write this like it's a possibility. The man could end up being the best football player in history. He's already a legendary packer just entering his prime (if he's even there yet, still very young as an NFL qb.) the way he handled favre can't be overstated. Murphy would probably be fired the day after it was announced.
In return, we keep Flynn, who knows what in return but for me, as a fan, it would take 2 comets drafts and a pro bowler or 3 in return. He's that good.
In Lincoln NE, local radio always talks about the eye test, watching a qb, not basing performance on stats or wins. Everyone says, and I agree, and most will agree with me, he's playing the best football anyone has ever seen from a qb.
What Flynn did was great, but Rodgers IMO, would have had better numbers and not thrown a pick.
I wasn't aware you could trade players between the offseason and FA, but if you can this would be TT's best and likely path going forward with Flynn.

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Originally posted by Fandame:

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Originally posted by turnip blood:
... Another possibility is that the Packers can trade him before free agency starts. But Flynn will have to agree to a contract with the new team. Another team reason to trade for him would be to keep him off the market and insure they get Flynn.
Hmm Silverstien stole my idea, well he write about it anyway. Trade him before he becomes a free agent.
http://www.jsonline.com/sports...3ld06-136557403.html

This. I think TT will have a trade partner in place before free agency hits. Flynn signs a contract with the other team's blessing, and they do the deal. It keeps Flynn off the open market, gives the other team the guy they want (most likely at a lower price), and gives us a better deal than the compensatory pick.

No way TT uses the franchise tag on Flynn to make him the highest Packer; Rodgers may have some trouble with that, and who wants to tick off your franchise player?

Rest assured that TT has a plan; we just don't know what it is yet.

Why would Flynn agree to a contract that was less than he could get on the open market?

If some other team has to pay the open market price for Flynn why would they agree to a trade with the Packers that would cost them draft picks as well?

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Originally posted by FreeSafety:

Why would Flynn agree to a contract that was less than he could get on the open market?

Flynn will want to go to a team where he has a chance to flourish, not just the highest paycheck. The difference between $12 and $14 million is irrelevant if you are playing for a loser franchise / organization and that comes into play here

For example- what if the Broncos are offering the most cash ? would you advise your client to climb into the tebow mess or to choose another option ?

Lots of ways to structure deals too, so the "highest bidder" is open to interpretation. Some may offer more upfront with smaller bonus, others may offer less upfront with a huge upside based on performance

There is a deal to be made here that will be a win for all 3 parties involved

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Originally posted by michiganjoe:
Flynn had a very good game Sunday but let's not get carried away. The gap in talent between he and AR is significant.

I hear ya, but we don't know the gap in talent between the two QB's. I am not trying to say that Flynn is better than AR, but no doubt in my mind that MM and TT know how good Flynn can be. What happens if they think that Flynn could be 75-80% as good as AR? The only two games that we have seen Flynn play in, he has performed extremely well.

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