I do not understand all the love for Flynn over Tolzien. Looking at the first game Tolzien had a QB rating of 100.7 and Flynn was just 64. Also note that Tolzien was QB in the 2nd half with mostly players that will not be with the team by the start of the season, while Flynn was in 1st half and had better (although not all starters) players to protect him, run routes, and catch passes. Looks to me like Tolzien did the better job of the two!
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Tolzien did play better than Flynn in the game, but he's still got to demonstrate that the propensity to make poor decisions that got him pulled last year is no longer there. I'd still probably give Flynn the edge for the #2 but the gap has narrowed significantly and the next three preseason games will be key.
I'm skeptical they'll spend a very valuable roster spot on a third QB.
Let us hope we see neither of them after September.
Some people love Tolzien because he played for Wisoncsin.quote:I don't understand the love for either one of them
Glad they have three more preseason games to evaluate both if they are only going to keep one backup. More experience with Flynn but maybe more upside with Tolzien. If Tolzien can show more consistency over a span of all the preseason games and during training camp then he may get the nod. But, I doubt that Tolzien is the QB that will be replacing Rodgers when the time comes.
Tolzien clearly outplayed Flynn for one night, but it doesn't sound like that's been the case day in and day out this camp. I'd love to see Tolzien clearly win that job over the next three games, but my gut says Flynn is still probably the safer bet if you need to win a few real games in a pinch.
If this was a battle for QB1 on a team like Cleveland, I think it'd be Tolzien by a mile and you wouldn't look back. But as the safety valve behind the best QB in the game, Flynn might still be the best bet.
Yeah I don't fully understand the love for either guy. I think Flynn has already proven to be a competent backup, but GB could absolutely do better. I don't think Tolzien would be a bad backup at all, but I do think Flynn is a better QB for this system. That doesn't mean I love Flynn and hate Tolzien, it just means of the two I trust Flynn more. That's based on experience. Tolzien's greatest accomplishment in GB has been leading GB to a tie game vs. Minnesota and posting a 100+ rating vs. the Titans backups in a preseason game. Beyond that there is nothing he has done to inspire confidence other than some idea that there might be "potential"...BJ Coleman posted a rating of 106 in the preseason last year.
Flynn has actually shown competency in regular season games. In 6 career starts in GB he has an average rating of 97...Tolzien has 2 career starts and has an average rating of 66. They had to sign Flynn off the street because Tolzien was so bad. So yeah I trust Flynn a bit more at this point.
And since many seem to bag on Flynn so hard for failing with other teams, he has a career rating of 88 as a starter. He never actually flamed out in Seattle, he just got beat out by Russell Wilson which, at this point in Wilson's career, in hindsight doesn't seem to be an indictment of Flynn's skills. He got cut there because of his enormous salary without starting a game. Flynn only started 1 game in Oakland, but considering that they had 2 other starting QBs that season who went 3-6 and 1-5, I think that team's problems stemmed from the QB. Flynn didn't flame out in Buffalo either, he was signed simply as the #3 emergency QB since their #1 QB was down and they wanted some insurance in case their #2 or #3 got hurt. I'm not trying to make excuses for Flynn, but the things that happened to him in other cities don't appear to really be an indictment his abilities. Like I said, he's shown that in McCarthy's offense surrounded by talented players he can execute the offense competently.
Granted they're not as knowledgeable about running an NFL franchise as you are, but they do OK for a couple of rubes.
Ted is recovering from a stroke and Mike has CSF (chronic stupid face). It's not surprising many posters here are better suited to make roster decisions.
yooperpackfan took 4 tries over 2 days just to change his name on a message board
He's more than qualified to critique the Packers front office
To add to what Grave Digger said, IIRC, Flynn also developed a good case of elbow tendinitus in his right arm while at Oakland, possibly in Seattle too. That substantially hindered his abilities to compete for being the starter and to play up to his capabilities. Even last year that elbow was still bothering him while with the Packers. However, so far this year his elbow is fine, thus reports of more velocity and accracy with his passes.
It was a joke (at your expense)
You can either choose to laugh at the joke or take offense to it.
Your response suggests that maybe you take yourself a bit too seriously
Lighten up francis, I mean caveguy... or now maybe you're gonna be "Angry Yooper"
Mad Pooper?
Tolzien isn't the future and has no trade value. Keep the guy who has shown he can win games in our system.
To me, it's such an easy choice. Stash Tolzien on the PS, if he gets picked up by someone else, big deal.
Hug it out.
Seriously? Just when I was starting to like you. SAD!
For me, it's a balancing act. Tolzien came in essentially cold last year, Flynn had a number of years in the system and played againt two horrifically bad defenses (though Minnesota's wasn't much better). Tolzien is (only?) two years tounger and has a live arm while Flynn may as well have a Tampax tattoo on his right shoulder.
IoW: Tolzien can simply make more throws than Flynn, which is why I hope if they only keep two it's Tolzien who grabs the job.
There is a huge space in between being a leg humper and giving credit where credit is due. MM/TT have been on the job together since 2006, which means they've handled the back- up QB position well in 7 seasons and struggled in one.
That one is the stick you used to beat them with, while conveniently glossing over the other 7.
They also had some very unfortunate luck on the injury side, but still managed to make the playoffs while using 4 different starting QBs. That's unprecedented.
They spent their entire offseason crafting an offense around Rodgers and then had to adapt it to Wallace, Tolzien and then Flynn. That's like trying to change all four tires while driving 75 mph down the highway
Meanwhile detroit, chicago and minny all imploded. That's the perspective that allows fans to understand how good we've got it.
They surely aren't perfect, but pooping on their every "mistake" is silly given their track record vs their peers. Last year fans were insane about the problem at Safety, this year its back- up QB and ILB. Next year it'll be something else
Give them time, they really do know what they are doing
Sorry for making a joke at your expense and enjoy the season
Full speed ahead
I don't even want to think about these two, and I sure as hell don't want to see them unless it's Tarvaris Jackson run-out-the-clock duty in the Super Bowl
Hope things improve, Yoop. Sorry.
For me, it's a balancing act. Tolzien came in essentially cold last year, Flynn had a number of years in the system and played againt two horrifically bad defenses (though Minnesota's wasn't much better). Tolzien is (only?) two years tounger and has a live arm while Flynn may as well have a Tampax tattoo on his right shoulder.
IoW: Tolzien can simply make more throws than Flynn, which is why I hope if they only keep two it's Tolzien who grabs the job.
Tolzien had been with the team since right before the opener. He wasn't cold off the street. Flynn was cold off the street and while it's true he already knew the concepts and most of the personnel, he had to re-learn a lot of the verbiage and develop timing with the receivers. That's not easy. Tolzien had to develop that timing also, but he had least had been with the team for 2 months so he had at least some understanding of the offense when he went in the game.
Flynn won't beat anyone deep, but he can accurately complete all the short and intermediate throws. Tolzien has the arm strength to complete all the throws, but his accuracy is still suspect. Again though, both guys are a dime a dozen. We're going to be screwed either way if Rodgers goes down, Flynn has shown he can at least keep the ship afloat.
Tolzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzien is color blind and throws to the other team.....Pretty significant problem.
Tolzien coming in cold last year was a huge problem. He never got any reps and had to learn the offense off a computer and film. Remember before he was called to play he sat behind Wallace who lasted all of one play in his start.
Then Tolzien got some reps in practice.
As was stated he's only had one off season with the team. Flynn is on his 5th with the same staff. That's a mighty difference.
I hope Tolzien wins the job. I think he's a better fit and can make the throws the offense requires. Flynn is weak armed and inaccurate.
What does expressing a preference for Flynn or Tolzien have to do with Love? QB/Passer ratings don't mean dick.
I could have sworn I once saw Flynn throw the ball far.
Flynn/Tolzien > Harrell/Coleman
I wonder what J.T. O'Sullivan is up to these days?
Or Doug Pedersen (Coaching in K.C.)?
Flynn/Tolzien > Harrell/Coleman
Agree! Just don't want to see a valuable roster spot wasted with a 3rd QB
First time those words have ever been written at X4!
Stash Tolzien on the PS, if he gets picked up by someone else, big deal.
Tolzien is NOT Eligible for the Packers practice squad or any other NFL team's practice squad. He will either be an active roster NFL player or he'll be selling cars or something.
To the point that Flynn faced 'weak' defenses, he also played behind an O-line that were every bit as weak. It wasn't specific to him, either; all 4 QBs were forced to scramble all too often.
I'd also guess Tolzein was prepared as far as knowledge and taking mental snaps, to the extent that he could be. But he was thrust into a situation worse than what a starting rookie QB typically faces. The game experience had to be invaluable, but I can't say yet that he's carried it over from last year.
Ded, is Tolzein indeed eligible for the PS?
