Games 4 pt or less - AR not clutch

I've always thought that AR should suck up the 1st 55 minutes of the game so he can boost his comeback stat. Then he would be more like Tim Tebow.

Actually, those doing the stats and reading the above should consider it an indictment against Capers and our D. Or, as Mark Twain said, "There's lies, da**ed lies, and statistics."

Rodgers needs to take responsibility...

 

"Green Bay has allowed 20 game-winning drives since 2008, third-most in league over that span."

 

 

Weren't all the Packers losses in 2010 by 6 points or less? So far this year they have 2 losses by 6 points or less.

If Boris was a real jihadist, he'd call for a member of the X4 nation to firebomb ESPN headquarters ...

If it was a precision hit, not sure many around the world would object.

 

@Cap95

 

You knew the world of GBP football would be buried in an avalanche of stupidity this morning, and yes, BSPN has decided that Timmy Tebow can't even get a sniff at a 3rd string job, one of the narratives they're going to bring out of mothballs is that AR isn't clutch.  

 

At least be creative before sending your sock puppets out there to bray this like jackasses.  Don't just trot out the same moronic meme you pushed a few years ago.  

 

What's next?  Peyton Manning can't win the big one?

 

The good news is that this is a good litmus test for general stupidity.  Those that want to buy into this = dumdums who really don't need to be taken seriously going forward.

 

I think part of the issue has been a less than stellar offensive line over the years that gets exposed when you are forced to go 1 dimensional.   When the Pack is down and time is running out, you know darn well D-Line's are going full bore after Rodgers and ignoring the run.  The O-line's in the past few years haven't handled it well and it's translated into the Pack not being strong in those situations including making Rodgers look human. 

 

In the games where the O-Line is able to handle the other team, the Pack usually wins as Rodgers is comfortable and able to perform normally.   When the Pack is down, there's usually a number of reasons they're down and the offensive line getting whipped is often one of those reasons.  As others have pointed out, there's a bunch of other reasons the Pack has failed whether it's missed Crosby FGs or defensive collapses as well.

 

 

 

watch the 4th quarter of Super Bowl 45 and tell me Rodgers isn't clutch...

 

 

..get the **** out of here. 

 

 

 

Excellent and epic post CA-95. One of the finest I have seen in a long time.  I presume you did the legwork for this and it is MUCH apprecited! 

 

 

 

Another viewpoint.

 

Since AR has taken over, the Packers have gone 59-32 including playoffs.

 

Of those 32 losses, 7 were by double digits.

Of those 32 losses, 3 were by more than 2 touchdowns.

Of those 32 losses, 24 were by 8 points or less.  (TD + 2 pt conversion)

 

One could look at this and say "Holy crap, those Packers under Rodgers, even with a trainwreck of a defense many times, even with so many injuries, even with playing 1st place schedules multiple times - they have been in almost every single game.  They've been legitimately blown out 2, maybe 3 times.  Damn, that's great stuff by AR and this team.

 

Yet, another chooses to look at a .650 winning percentage, a Super Bowl win, and being within one score of 75% of your losses and decides to craft a narrative that Aaron Rodgers isn't clutch.  

 

[insert removed red word] ESPN and their ilk that decided that because Green Bay under Aaron Rodgers is in almost every game = not clutch because some of those losses were "close".

 

Look, I want to be clear, I'm not hero worshipping here like we saw under the previous guy.  AR sucked yesterday.  AR has not played well against the Giants for whatever reason.  AR isn't perfect.  But, if you want to criticize him, bring something better than highlighting he isn't clutch after throwing a last minute TD only to see the ST and D piss it away within minutes.  Bring something better than Rodgers bringing the team to attempt a GW FG that Crosby chokes 3 times (min, chi, was).  All while conveniently ignoring that a better argument could be made that AR has kept this team in almost every single game he's played, much of it dealing with injuries and a defense that was at best "limited".  

 

 

Nice post agree on the over-sensationalism of the sports world.  Same story with politics!

 

I think Aaron should derp it up more often so he can come back in the 4th quarter. Makes total sense.

 

The guy is the highest rated QB in NFL history, both in the regular season and postseason. He's been league MVP, Super Bowl MVP, had the highest single season passer rating in history, the best interception rate in history, yet some people with an agenda will always find something to harp about.

 

"He's not clutch"...

 

Riiiiight. 

You can also place a lot of this crapola on the guy who started it all:

 

 

How many years did we hear ad nauseam how TOG was ZOMG!! the greatest 4th Q comeback QB ever! over and over and over by TOG's #1 gobslobber for how many years? Nevermind that Madden almost never credited any WR for hauling in his heave ho's or that many occurred early in his career when guys like Reggie White and Fritz were around and bailed him out of boneheaded INT's to put GB behind only to force TOG to have to make a comeback. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is a team game, and my team has won 65% of its games and is 5-3 in the playoffs, including a Super Bowl, since 2008.  I'm pretty good with things......

Anyone can manipulate data to state what they want especially when one starts throwing weird ass variables into the equation. Yes sports stats are a freakin Joke.  Just win the F'n game!

Exquisite post Cayapackfan95

 

Just like all of my posts....watch that get plagiarized by one of the media members that follows this site.

Packers keeps one of the youngest teams in the league since Ted Thompson has been GM. That youth probably has as much to do with crunch time comebacks as anything. Sundays last offensive series ended with a rookie LT not getting his man out of the passing lane and before that a 2nd year RT failed to get his man out of the passing lane.  A more experienced player may have known what to do and how to get his man down. But the thing is these guys are learning in the season and by the end of November and December should be playing their best ball. It wasnt entirely Rodgers fault on that last drive even though he should have recognized the Bengals had stopped rushing and started jumping up to block passes.

 

McCarthys play calling on last drives usually have a lot to be desired to. Sometimes in stead of keeping the chains moving he goes for the bomb putting the team in 2nd or 3rd and long. And God knows when it is fourth and one he has only three plays. Kuhn or a RB diving into a jumbled mess or a 40 yard sideline bomb to Jordy.

Touchdown->Checkdown.

 

Always been the progression in Mike's offense*, don't see it changing any time soon. 

 

*obvious oversimplification, I know.   

from packers.com Ask Vic

 

 

Rob (****-for brains) from Boulder, CO

 

Rodgers' record fell to 3-19 in games when the Packers trailed by 1-8 points in the fourth quarter and had at least one possession. Why can't this team win in the fourth quarter? They certainly have the talent. Can you really say it's the players and not play callers?

 

The Packers lost in San Francisco after Aaron Rodgers rallied the Packers to a 28-24 lead, which would've qualified as a fourth-quarter comeback if the defense had held that lead... because all of the plays that were called were bad? Do you really believe that, or does it just make you feel better to blame defeat on the plays that were called? Assigning blame is cathartic following a painful loss, and coaches are easy targets. Why can't they win in the fourth quarter? Well, they won in the fourth quarter in Detroit last season because Rodgers rallied the Packers and threw a game-winning touchdown pass to Randall Cobb. They lost in the fourth quarter in Minnesota after Rodgers had tied the game with a touchdown pass to Jordy Nelson because they couldn't stop Adrian Peterson. They lost in the fourth quarter in Seattle because the officials were incompetent. They rallied in the fourth quarter to beat New Orleans because Rodgers rallied the Packers to victory by throwing a game-winning touchdown pass to Nelson. They lost in the fourth quarter in Indianapolis because the defense couldn't hold a lead Rodgers had given them on a touchdown pass to James Jones. I think Rodgers' record is being unfairly misrepresented by media critics that aren't telling the whole story, and I'm disappointed to see Packers fans participate in this senseless harangue."

 

The last line says it all, Its a senseless harangue and quite honestly, any fan who repeats it is a mother****ing idiot. Its classic BSPN bull**** and any fan dumb enough to fall for it should be beaten mercilessly AND shot in the face

 

You've been gifted a beautiful brain, use it or lose it Rob

 

Not sure anyone needs to be shot in the face. They could just be relegated to being a Jaguars fan.

I know several people that would love to shoot him in the face.

I'm dying to know what Skip Bayless thinks.

 

 

Pastrami on rye please.

This is such an epic thread filled with facts. Thanks much CA95 for starting it.

 

There's no shortage of Bob from Boulders that post here. GBfanforlife is spot on. Any GB fan that blathers on about AR not being clutch or GB failing in close games needs to have a huge wad of perspective packed up their ass with a 4x4. This team ain't perfect but it's closer than most. Things could be much, much, much, much worse.

 

Get on board or STFU.

Skip Bayless thinks exactly what you'd expect him to think.  He has HOTSPORTSTAKES. 

 

He has the data to support his narrative.  He has no context.  He has no ability to look at the details behind the numbers the research peon gives him.  5-17!  5-24 in games down 1-8 in the 4th!  Context doesn't matter when you have a narrative to prop up.

 

Peyton and the Broncos are the story that ESPN wants to promote.  They need to tear down Rodgers to help make the sheep believe this.  Hence, AR is aloof, he yells at teammates, he's not a good leader, and he can't win in the 4th.  

 

The reality behind any of those (every pro athlete is an egomaniac, every great QB has been seen yelling at teammates, two pissed off WRs that didn't get what they wanted are saying negative things how shocking, and the context of those 4th quarter stats) don't matter.  What matters is yelling your HOTSPORTSTAKES as loudly as possible.

 

But, trust me, Skip says EXACTLY what you'd expect him to say.  Ignore it.

 

They never should have drafted Rodgers.

Ted had no choice, he fell into his lap.

Katz Deli Pastrami on rye please.

 

Fixed

 

As usual, great post CAPackFan95.

 

Swear to god I said it during the game "Rodgers isn't clutch" thinking that's all I'm going to see this week.

 

Which is why I didn't turn on any football related shows since Sundays loss

I actually heard one of the eye dee ten tee experts say something to the effect of:

there are a lot of factors that go into Rodger's late game record - like missed FGs and the defense giving up the lead, but at some point you have to look at the QB

 

 

spit my coffee all over my dash

This cartoon accurately sums up a lot of sports commentary, including the close game losses:

 

Speaking of numbers. Listening to Wilde's interview with AR today...

 

Take the Packers and the over next week against Detroit. This team has a festering scent of "we're going to shove soft up your @ss" to it. AR may come off as a prick the rest of the year but he seems hard wired to win another SB.

I agree Chillijon. all those complaining about Rodgers' attitude need to remember that's why we won in 2010. And I don't blame him for being pissed at MM's red zone play calls last Sunday. They were a big part of why we got six points from two trips to the five yard line.

Can't help but wonder if this reporter lurks here...

 

Maybe coincidence.  I'll prefer to believe he ripped Cap off

I think our D is more  "un-clutch" than AR.  AR is fine - just human once in awhile.

Great article!  

Wouldn't the measure of "clutch" be how you played in playoff games? If so takea look at this: http://www.pro-football-refere..._career_playoffs.htm

AR third, Peyton 10th, Bert 13th. 

quote:

Peyton 10th, Bert 13th.

And yet Favre has a winning record in the playoffs while Manning has a losing record.