Noodle arm and not very accurate. Pass on this guy as the #2
I remember 2 other QB's that look just as bad to me as Harrell did last night, Flynn and Rodgers. Go Back a few years on this board you will see a lot of poster ripping Rodgers play.
I think there is a reason that McCarthy is the packers Head Coach and not me, I just can not think of any. So I quess I will go with his judgement for now.
P.S. I remember one of the old raps on Rodgers he had a noddle arm.
I think there is a reason that McCarthy is the packers Head Coach and not me, I just can not think of any. So I quess I will go with his judgement for now.
P.S. I remember one of the old raps on Rodgers he had a noddle arm.
Cut him NOW..the sooner the better...get a veteran backup ASAP who can at least get a couple weeks under his belt before the season begins
quote:Originally posted by turnip blood:
I remember 2 other QB's that look just as bad to me as Harrell did last night, Flynn and Rodgers. Go Back a few years on this board you will see a lot of poster ripping Rodgers play.
I think there is a reason that McCarthy is the packers Head Coach and not me, I just can not think of any. So I quess I will go with his judgement for now.
P.S. I remember one of the old raps on Rodgers he had a noddle arm.
The rap on Rodgers was his mechanics. He had the tedford style where they held the ball near their ear. He did gain some more zip on his passes though because he hit the weight room and got himself into much better shape. Harrell has always had a rag arm, though, even going back to his college days. The rag arm isn't that big of a deal if he had the accuracy but he doesn't even have that
On the bright side, the QB they took this past draft definitely has the tools to be a solid QB, and I look forward to seeing the growth he makes going through McCarthy's QB school, etc
Harrell ended up 12 of 24 - 50%, and that's exactly how he played. Some good throws, some bad throws.
Flynn & Rodgers never looked as bad as Harrell. Rodgers had happy feet early and poor mechanics. I was in his corner when it wasn't popular
IF you look at Graham as an undrafted developmental guy, he's certainly made progress
IF you look at him as being one play away from starting, he's not there yet and he may never be
IF you look at him as being one play away from starting, he's not there yet and he may never be
There were people here and on other places questioning Rogers and Flynn’s arm. I just remember how bad they looked their first two years. And since I am not the Head Coach of the Packers even thought I am totally unqualified to do the job, I defer to MM opinion on player development issues. In my closing remark on this question is “what do I know” all I am doing is wasting band width.
Flynn looks like a QB who hasnt played in a few years. Give him a chance. He is making good decisions but for somevreason he cant complete passes.
Adam Lapland was on PA's show this morning,and said he heard that the Packers were interested in trading for (gulp),Tarvaris Jackson...
...and Niners coach Jim Harbaugh had no interest in Peyton Manning.
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quote:Originally posted by MNPackman:
Adam Lapland was on PA's show this morning,and said he heard that the Packers were interested in trading for (gulp),Tarvaris Jackson...
Harrell is going to be the back-up. Folks are just going to have to get used to that idea.
You know Cyndia(Boris) you dress trashy. No wonder you wrote this song
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Ugg bet me too it Iowa cheeze, And you have a very naughty mind thinking of that song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmZjHeQsRvE
Ugg bet me too it Iowa cheeze, And you have a very naughty mind thinking of that song.
I think Harrell would be real good using a nerf football, real cowhide, not so much.
I don't think it matters all that much who the backup. I'd like to see somebody better than Harrell, but if Arod goes down for any length of time forget it.
perhaps, but remember Flynn drove the Ferrari to 480 yards and 6 TDs vs a playoff -bound team
And that is what has people kvetching. That's the fresh memory of the back-up QB. Not the guy who the year before struggled in relief duty at DET.
The important question to ask is, of the two (Coleman Harrell) who is less likely to get claimed if you try to slip them on the practice squad?
Thats the guy who gets cut. I have tough time believing anyone wants Harrell, but somebody might want Coleman after what he has shown.
Thats the guy who gets cut. I have tough time believing anyone wants Harrell, but somebody might want Coleman after what he has shown.
I don't believe Harrell is PS eligible.
quote:Originally posted by Goalline:
Flynn looks like a QB who hasnt played in a few years. Give him a chance. He is making good decisions but for somevreason he cant complete passes.
You mean Harrell, right?
Coleman's pass last night should not have inspired us with confidence. That was not a great a read. I would like to see Harrell with a semblance of a game plan and playing with #1 OL. Not sure what to make of him.
quote:You know Cyndia(Boris) you dress trashy. No wonder you wrote this song
I'd be wary of insulting Boris. You know Boris sees your true colors shining through.
On the Coleman INT it sure looked like he expected the WR (Moss) to break off his route there, as did the DB who let Moss go and broke on the ball for the easy pick. Even the S did not follow Moss. I've watched it a few times and it is not clear who was in the wrong, but Moss did not even stutter-step at the point the DB stopped for the pick. Gannon called it a bad read and a poor decision, for what that's worth.
quote:Originally posted by Hungry5:quote:Originally posted by MNPackman:
Adam Lapland was on PA's show this morning,and said he heard that the Packers were interested in trading for (gulp),Tarvaris Jackson...
Harrell is going to be the back-up. Folks are just going to have to get used to that idea.
Should say Adam Kaplan. I entered that post on my Kindle. Still trying to get used to typing on it.
It's only two games, but last night's performance--- freaked me out a little bit...He looked further away then I thought.
quote:Originally posted by Iowacheese:
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quote:Originally posted by Hungry5:
I don't believe Harrell is PS eligible.
Was he on the roster last year at some point or this would be his 3rd season on the PS? I thought you could do 3 years.
MM isn't going to be critical publicly of Harrell's performance because they don't want to destroy his confidence, but there is no way he can be OK with how he's been playing.
The sad thing is that Harrell actually has improved, but that just shows you how much is required to be a competent QB at the pro level.
He has good leadership skills and understands the offense, but he is very limited in terms of arm strength and that's always been the knock against the guy. In college they were able to hide that by running spread patterns and dump offs but in the pros (and in this offense) you have to be able to throw the intermediate and deep passes and that's not Harrell.
If we went back to the Mike Holmgren WCO he might have a shot, but McCarthy's offense is built around taking shots deeper downfield and Harrell simply cannot make those throws. That's the reason he went undrafted in 2009 despite putting up gaudy numbers at Texas Tech.
If Rodgers goes down for any length of time this team is in serious trouble with the QBs we have backing him up.
The sad thing is that Harrell actually has improved, but that just shows you how much is required to be a competent QB at the pro level.
He has good leadership skills and understands the offense, but he is very limited in terms of arm strength and that's always been the knock against the guy. In college they were able to hide that by running spread patterns and dump offs but in the pros (and in this offense) you have to be able to throw the intermediate and deep passes and that's not Harrell.
If we went back to the Mike Holmgren WCO he might have a shot, but McCarthy's offense is built around taking shots deeper downfield and Harrell simply cannot make those throws. That's the reason he went undrafted in 2009 despite putting up gaudy numbers at Texas Tech.
If Rodgers goes down for any length of time this team is in serious trouble with the QBs we have backing him up.
Source: Green Bay Press-Gazette - Mike Vandermause
Green Bay Packers head coach Mike McCarthy says QB Graham Harrell has grown as a quarterback and is getting a full dose of what it is like to play in the NFL.
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The coach is trying to put a smiley face on the fact that he is standing between the Packers and the hopes of the fanbase if Aaron Rodgers gets hurt. The Packers have to be evaluating other options to back up Rodgers via trade right now.
Green Bay Packers head coach Mike McCarthy says QB Graham Harrell has grown as a quarterback and is getting a full dose of what it is like to play in the NFL.
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The coach is trying to put a smiley face on the fact that he is standing between the Packers and the hopes of the fanbase if Aaron Rodgers gets hurt. The Packers have to be evaluating other options to back up Rodgers via trade right now.
McCoy isn't going to win jack with this team. Develop develop develop.
I'm all about draft & develop. However, you can't shine ****
Perhaps that statement is a little too harsh.
Harrell is nothing more than a game manager who cannot make the intermediate & deep throws.
We * might * be able to win a game with Harrell (one that Rodgers started and Harrell had to finish) other than that, Harrell is a wasted roster spot just like Doug Pedersen was behind Favre or Jim Sorgi behind Peyton Manning. It's No different than keeping 2 punters on the roster.
Perhaps that statement is a little too harsh.
Harrell is nothing more than a game manager who cannot make the intermediate & deep throws.
We * might * be able to win a game with Harrell (one that Rodgers started and Harrell had to finish) other than that, Harrell is a wasted roster spot just like Doug Pedersen was behind Favre or Jim Sorgi behind Peyton Manning. It's No different than keeping 2 punters on the roster.
You need your back up to be a good game manager. Harrell can do that. Harrell has been off with his accuracy. That has been his biggest problem. If you watched him in college you know that wasn't an issue. He is figuring things out. Let him continue.
quote:Originally posted by Boris:
I'm all about draft & develop. However, you can't shine ****
Perhaps that statement is a little too harsh.
Harrell is nothing more than a game manager who cannot make the intermediate & deep throws.
We * might * be able to win a game with Harrell (one that Rodgers started and Harrell had to finish) other than that, Harrell is a wasted roster spot just like Doug Pedersen was behind Favre or Jim Sorgi behind Peyton Manning. It's No different than keeping 2 punters on the roster.
quote:I don't think it matters all that much who the backup. I'd like to see somebody better than Harrell, but if Arod goes down for any length of time forget it.
That isn't the only scenario you want your backup QB to be able to take care of. Rodgers has already had a couple concussions in his career and with the new protocol, if he gets dinged again, you need a guy who basically won't lose 3 games in a row for you while your starter sits out. If we had a better D maybe a guy like Harrell could get by but we don't have that luxury. At least it appears that way right now.
Not to use the Bears as a great comparison but Hanie killed their playoff hopes last year after a strong start with Cutler.
I think the whole present day concussion issue makes backup QB a much more critical spot for every team than in years past.
If a QB doesn't have enough arm strength defenses in the NFL will eat him alive.
I think the plan is set though and they live with what they have. If Rodgers goes down and they have to adjust the offense for Harrell's noodle arm that'll be the way it goes. I'd expect we'd see the reason Cedric Benson was chosen over Grant. He'd be given every opportunity to become a 22-24 carry back. The Packers should have a strong enough offensive line that they can excel at run blocking if it becomes the focus. Expect Cobb running a bunch of wildcat, too.
I think the plan is set though and they live with what they have. If Rodgers goes down and they have to adjust the offense for Harrell's noodle arm that'll be the way it goes. I'd expect we'd see the reason Cedric Benson was chosen over Grant. He'd be given every opportunity to become a 22-24 carry back. The Packers should have a strong enough offensive line that they can excel at run blocking if it becomes the focus. Expect Cobb running a bunch of wildcat, too.
I guess I'd like to see Harrell get extended time with the rest of the projected starters. Yeah, his arm strength will always be an issue, but if he is afforded a bit more time in the pocket, and throwing to the premier skill players, maybe he won't look as bad as many think he is.
I gotta admit, there is legitimate reason to be concerned, however. Flynn looked a lot better than this in previous preseason games playing with scrub players.
I gotta admit, there is legitimate reason to be concerned, however. Flynn looked a lot better than this in previous preseason games playing with scrub players.