I very tempted to start a message board argument with as to whether or not you should be concerned or not. Care to rethink your last post? 
quote:Originally posted by VApackfan:
Rodgers played well all game except the fumble. McCarthy needs to let him play like the player he is when crunch time comes.
i still think if AR would've cut it up a second sooner, he would've cleared that DE who stripped him...and...would've gotten the 2 yards for the first down....
but, he was trying to complete a pass first....
So now we want to dissect Rodgers turnover "problems?"
Really?
Yes he had a critical turnover (fumble) that allowed Philly to get back into the game. It happens. But look at his entire body of work, i.e. career INTs and fumbles. I'll bet you will find that he turns the ball over the least - or near the least- of any starting QBs over that period of time.
Really?
Yes he had a critical turnover (fumble) that allowed Philly to get back into the game. It happens. But look at his entire body of work, i.e. career INTs and fumbles. I'll bet you will find that he turns the ball over the least - or near the least- of any starting QBs over that period of time.
I wasn't trying to dissect his fumbling problems....in fact, I don't think he has a fumbling problem...
I was just saying that on the replay I saw, it looked like he stayed in the pocket a second too long, then, when he realized he had a lane to run, it closed fast and the ball was knocked out...
if he decides to get out of the pocket a split second sooner....then I think he gets the first down.
I was just saying that on the replay I saw, it looked like he stayed in the pocket a second too long, then, when he realized he had a lane to run, it closed fast and the ball was knocked out...
if he decides to get out of the pocket a split second sooner....then I think he gets the first down.
Two games in a row our defense was on the field with the game on the line and they got the Key INT.
I think that psychologically, that is a good thing.
Like to see that again next week to destroy the Matty Ice Mystique....
I think that psychologically, that is a good thing.
Like to see that again next week to destroy the Matty Ice Mystique....
quote:Originally posted by oldnavy:
Why all the concern over not having a playoff win prior to tonight?
He had one playoff game prior to tonight and had he had any kind of defense in that gane he would have had at least two games.
The funny thing is you never hear that about "Matty Ice". Look at all his playoff wins.
OK, so Rodgers can win close games. He's still not close to Peyton Manning.
The thing with winning the playoff game is it's an easy angle for lazy reporters and interviewers trying to get a reaction out of a guy. Doesn't mean anything one way or the other but it's nice that he doesn't have to deal with the nuisance anymore.
quote:Originally posted by CAPackFan95:
... to look at TOG playoff record as of late...
C'mon guys!
It's a new year, and a new era of Packer football. To hell with TOG.
There's no need to mention him or make comparisons any longer.
quote:Originally posted by JJSD:quote:Originally posted by Dr._Bob:
I'm confused by people who feel the need to criticize fans for recognizing players' achievements. Reminds me of a child who pouts when their sibling is complimented.
Or dip****s who are so desperate for any type of attention, ANY type of acknowledgment, they'll say absolutely anything to get noticed.
Imagine needing an anonymous internet message board for validation, and how sad life must be for that to be a reality.
And yet, knowing this, people keep feeding them
I'm not worried about Rodgers winning close games, I'm worried about the play calling winning close games. Props to Tramon but if you keep a team in the game and give them a chance to win at the end, it doesn't always work out for you that well. The best teams would move the chains and put that game away on offense.
Interesting stat. Rodgers now has more road playoff wins than Brees and a better playoff winning percentage than P. Manning.
quote:Originally posted by PackerBacker77:
I'm not worried about Rodgers winning close games, I'm worried about the play calling winning close games. Props to Tramon but if you keep a team in the game and give them a chance to win at the end, it doesn't always work out for you that well. The best teams would move the chains and put that game away on offense.
Well stated. Offhand, I can't think of a close game the Packers have lost because of a poor play by Rodgers. Getting jacked up helmet to helmet and fumbling against AZ doesn't sure doesn't count.
quote:Originally posted by titmfatied:quote:Originally posted by CAPackFan95:
I'm really happy the Packers won, but yeah, it's really nice to think that Rodgers won't have to hear that refrain from the morons that don't have the brain power to look at TOG playoff record as of late...
Hats off to Rodgers for the win. Shuts up all the knee jerks. If Favre ever had a defense this good he would have won two more SB's.
Don't forget luck. As in Celek stepping out of bounds which would have put the game in OT. Ackers missing two kicks.
NFL.com fumble stats, total for 2008-2010 reg season:
Aaron Rodgers 24 Fumbles, 8 lost
P. Manning 6 fumbles, 1 lost
T. Brady (2009-2010 injured in 2008) 7 fumbles, 3 lost
TOG 19 fumbles, 9 lost
Drew Brees 25 fumbles, 9 lost
Philip Rivers 21 fumbles, 11 lost
Jay Cutler 24 fumbles, 9 lost
Matt Ryan 15 fumbles, 6 lost
Rodgers fumbles 10 times in both 2008 and 2009, but only four times this year. He takes more sacks than most of those guys (partly his own fault, partly OLine). He has the lowest career int percentage in NFL history so you can't say turnovers are much of an issue with him. The bottom line is that Rodgers' fumbles are comparable to other elite QB's (Brees and Rivers). There was room for improvement, and he did show improvement in 2010 over previous years.
Aaron Rodgers 24 Fumbles, 8 lost
P. Manning 6 fumbles, 1 lost
T. Brady (2009-2010 injured in 2008) 7 fumbles, 3 lost
TOG 19 fumbles, 9 lost
Drew Brees 25 fumbles, 9 lost
Philip Rivers 21 fumbles, 11 lost
Jay Cutler 24 fumbles, 9 lost
Matt Ryan 15 fumbles, 6 lost
Rodgers fumbles 10 times in both 2008 and 2009, but only four times this year. He takes more sacks than most of those guys (partly his own fault, partly OLine). He has the lowest career int percentage in NFL history so you can't say turnovers are much of an issue with him. The bottom line is that Rodgers' fumbles are comparable to other elite QB's (Brees and Rivers). There was room for improvement, and he did show improvement in 2010 over previous years.
quote:Originally posted by DeepChicago:quote:Originally posted by titmfatied:quote:Originally posted by CAPackFan95:
I'm really happy the Packers won, but yeah, it's really nice to think that Rodgers won't have to hear that refrain from the morons that don't have the brain power to look at TOG playoff record as of late...
Hats off to Rodgers for the win. Shuts up all the knee jerks. If Favre ever had a defense this good he would have won two more SB's.
Don't forget luck. As in Celek stepping out of bounds which would have put the game in OT. Ackers missing two kicks.
That was a 5 point conversion?
You should be the last person talking about luck. Calvin Johnson's TD catch stands, the Bears would've been losing to Philly yesterday.
But the question remains to some folks, "Is he or is he not an elite QB now that he has won, albeit only 1 playoff game?" 
Here's a kicker, Joe Flacco is NEVER mentioned in these 'elite' lists, but he is 2 years younger than Rodgers and he already has a 4-2 record in the playoffs, ALL on the road.
By these same folks, he must "super elite' or just maybe he's GOD.
Something for the press to ponder.
Here's a kicker, Joe Flacco is NEVER mentioned in these 'elite' lists, but he is 2 years younger than Rodgers and he already has a 4-2 record in the playoffs, ALL on the road.
By these same folks, he must "super elite' or just maybe he's GOD.
Something for the press to ponder.
quote:Originally posted by DeepChicago:
Don't forget luck. As in Celek stepping out of bounds which would have put the game in OT. Ackers missing two kicks.
You call it luck, I call it a stupid play by Celek. Pro's have to know where they are on the field, especially on a play like that.
Maybe they looked at Flacco's playoff stats prior to yesterday. 6 INTs, 1 TD, and a QB rating of about 45 might lead one to think the defense has been winning those games more than Flacco.
I heard this as well and to me it is just as stupid of an argument when they say "so and so was a great QB but never won it all" Football is the consumate team game and even though the QB is the center of it all but more often than not it is the TEAM that fails to win big games.
Well unless you throw an INT in the NFCG when you could have ran for a few yards.
Well unless you throw an INT in the NFCG when you could have ran for a few yards.
Rodgers marks off another item on checklist
By Michael Silver on Monday, January 10th, 2010
By Michael Silver on Monday, January 10th, 2010
quote:Yet Rodgers, who’ll guide the Packers into Saturday’s divisional-round road clash against the top-seeded Atlanta Falcons, understood that he was leaving Philly with one more stigma in shambles.
“It’s always something,” Rodgers said. “The first year, they said I was injury-prone. The second year, I held onto the ball too long. This year it was, ‘He can’t win a playoff game.’ I’m sure some people still have their checklists, but I’ve kind of put those three to bed.”
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When Rodgers, now 1-1 in the postseason, reached his locker after showering, Jennings yelled sarcastically, “Heeeyyyyy, first playoff win! It’s about time! What’s it been, like, 10 years?”
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Whatever Rodgers does in Atlanta next Saturday, and perhaps in the NFC championship game and Super Bowl, the chill he once experienced in Titletown seems to have thawed irrevocably. Last Monday morning, after the regular-season-ending victory over the NFC North champion Bears that put Green Bay into the playoffs, Rodgers went out to breakfast with his friend and fellow Cal alum Adam Duritz, and a middle-aged woman came by the table to ask for an autograph.
Rodgers pointed to Duritz, the lead singer for Counting Crows, and told the woman, “You should ask for his autograph. He’s a rock star, man. He’s much bigger than me.”
Duritz shook his head, his trademark dreadlocks covering up a smile, and said, “Not in this town.”
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quote:Originally posted by PackerRick:
Maybe they looked at Flacco's playoff stats prior to yesterday. 6 INTs, 1 TD, and a QB rating of about 45 might lead one to think the defense has been winning those games more than Flacco.
And a excellent running game.
5 point game....not close....the cut off is 4
All I know is that somehow someway, Rodgers found a way to lead the Pack to a playoff win and that is something that needs to be celebrated because it hasn't happened much lately.
Let's not pretend the Pack has done a whole lot of playoff winning in the past 13 years. Before yesterday, the Packers won a grand total of 3 playoff games from 1998 through 2009. That's it, 3. They won 1 vs. San Fran. in 2001 before being destroyed by the Rams, they won 1 against Seattle in 2003 before the choke job against the Iggles, and they won against Seattle in 2007 before the choke job against the Giants.
The Packer playoff history beginning with the loss to Denver in Super Bowl XXXII has been abysmal. I feel like maybe the worm is starting to turn beginning with yesterday's game. And Aaron Rodgers is one of the reasons to feel like things are swinging in the right direction in terms of potential future playoff wins, close games or not.
Let's not pretend the Pack has done a whole lot of playoff winning in the past 13 years. Before yesterday, the Packers won a grand total of 3 playoff games from 1998 through 2009. That's it, 3. They won 1 vs. San Fran. in 2001 before being destroyed by the Rams, they won 1 against Seattle in 2003 before the choke job against the Iggles, and they won against Seattle in 2007 before the choke job against the Giants.
The Packer playoff history beginning with the loss to Denver in Super Bowl XXXII has been abysmal. I feel like maybe the worm is starting to turn beginning with yesterday's game. And Aaron Rodgers is one of the reasons to feel like things are swinging in the right direction in terms of potential future playoff wins, close games or not.
Packers: Rodgers calmly ends storyline about 'elusive' playoff win
madison.com
by Tom Oates on Monday, January 10th, 2011
madison.com
by Tom Oates on Monday, January 10th, 2011
quote:When it was over, Rodgers' teammates lined up to do his talking for him.
"We joke about it now because it's like, ‘Where in the world is that coming from?' " wide receiver Greg Jennings said. "The guy has been in two playoff games and everybody acts like he's been in 20. I'm like, ‘Can he have an opportunity to win a playoff game?' "
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"The guy's a great quarterback, whether he wins a playoff game or not," wide receiver James Jones said. "People get caught up in, ‘You're not great if you didn't win a Super Bowl. You're not great if you don't win a playoff game.' I mean, the numbers the guy puts up in the regular season, he's a great quarterback in this league."
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"I think that's just people trying to find something to write about," guard Daryn College said. "Aaron's played very well in the playoffs. He put up a lot of points last year; he played a very good game when we didn't run the ball very well. So he has the ability when we put the ball in his hand to win a game for us." continue
quote:Originally posted by DeepChicago:
Don't forget luck. As in Celek stepping out of bounds which would have put the game in OT. Ackers missing two kicks.
A 2 pt conversion makes it 21-18. Which of course puts the game into OT. See there was a new rule implemented last week which stated that if the home team scored 18 pts, a rare occurrence in the game of football, the game automatically goes to OT. One little known issue is that if those 18 pts were scored by 6 FGs, the home team automatically wins.
So, yeah, enormous luck on the part of the Packers there to have that 2 pt conversion fail, which converted seemingly still would have been a 3 pt cushion but actually would have vaulted us into OT.
Thanks DerpChicago for being on top of the NFL rules where many of us aren't.
Here's the NFL Network Crew Discussing Rodgers before the game yesterday.
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Expectations met?
nfl.com
Published: Jan. 9, 2011 at 11:14 a.m.
Video
Expectations met?
nfl.com
Published: Jan. 9, 2011 at 11:14 a.m.
quote:04:53 – Aaron Rodgers has excelled year after year since taking over for Brett Favre, but one of the "GameDay Morning" crew thinks the best is still to come.
Chicago math always ads points. It does in elections anyway.
quote:Originally posted by DeepChicago:
Don't forget luck. As in Celek stepping out of bounds which would have put the game in OT. Ackers missing two kicks.
Classic!quote:odgers pointed to Duritz, the lead singer for Counting Crows, and told the woman, “You should ask for his autograph. He’s a rock star, man. He’s much bigger than me.”
Duritz shook his head, his trademark dreadlocks covering up a smile, and said, “Not in this town.”