I am so disappointed.
Worst performance in well over a year.
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Yup, my mantra is: The Giants did enough to beat us, and we did more than enough to beat ourselves.
Special teams did great. I thought the o-line did better than I expected. I think the defensive front 7 did pretty good, realizing it just doesn't have the skill level to put on heavy pressure without sending a lot of players in.
To me, that is the irony. We lost due to subpar play from our strength - offensive skill position players and defensive secondary.
Rodgers - subpar (bigtime, actually)
Kuhn - subpar
Grant - subpar
Jennings - subpar
Nelson - subpar
James Jones - subpar
Finley - subpar
secondary - subpar
I am unsure of Starks and Cobb and I am sure that Driver did fine.
I don't get it. I just don't get it. They just did not put in a good day of work.
To me, that is the irony. We lost due to subpar play from our strength - offensive skill position players and defensive secondary.
Rodgers - subpar (bigtime, actually)
Kuhn - subpar
Grant - subpar
Jennings - subpar
Nelson - subpar
James Jones - subpar
Finley - subpar
secondary - subpar
I am unsure of Starks and Cobb and I am sure that Driver did fine.
I don't get it. I just don't get it. They just did not put in a good day of work.
This loss doesn’t bother me like the 2008 one or 4th and 26.
I think Cavetoad (and maybe a couple others – I don’t remember all posts about this game) hit the reason for this in a different thread. The Philbin tragedy weighed hard in this game. I think that this topic needs to be squarely, factually addressed in good taste. Everyone pussyfoots around it.
To begin with, preparation for a big game, according to everything I’ve ever read, is something that goes on for a sustained period of time before that game. Focus is a key factor. Disrupt that focus to any degree and you have a definite obstacle to overcome.
Ron Cassidy played WR for the Pack from 1979 to 1984. He lost his 3 ½ year old son in an automatic garage door accident during a season – and by all accounts that accident cast a spell of gloom over the locker room for quite a time afterward. It's not something that goes very quickly.
In contrast to Brett’s loss of his father (you are less surprised when older people die and, in contrast to a kid, the older ones have lived long enough to have had plenty of chances to make their mark) I think losing a child has to be much harder to take. Perhaps the hardest. I have known people who never seemed to really recover from it. It tears the hearts out of people.
And it obviously changes things for others around them as well. When you have work closely with that bereaved parent, someone you’ve probably come to know, respect and like, you may be thinking about one thing and suddenly your mind is on his loss. You’d do what you could to alleviate the pain of that loss, but you are, in fact, totally helpless to do so – not the frame of mind you want a preparing team to live with. You feel inhibited, you feel you have to watch what you say, not wanting to cause pain needlessly. And you really feel for the guy. Many Packer players have children themselves. How can game preparation be anything like normal in the midst of this? How can football seem as important as it had seemed before?
Even St. Vince’s priority list was, in descending order, God first, then family, then football.
Looking back, I’m not surprised it was the offense that seemed ‘hung over’.
I’m not, in the words of that old bromide, using this as an excuse. I think it’s simple, undeniable fact that it had an effect. Was it enough to change the game? We’ll never know. Don’t know how to measure it.
But because it is easy to point fingers and assign blame I feel it's important to look at this factually rather that treat it like the Elephant in the Living Room and pretend it isn't there.
Was there anything that could have been done? I doubt it. No one wanted it. Everyone did what they could. What they couldn't do was change it -- or pretend it hadn't happened.
Not to take anything away from the Giants – we knew they’d be tough before this tragedy occurred and they were and they’re good. The only thing I’d say to their fans is congratulations – but I wouldn’t gloat over this one.
I think Cavetoad (and maybe a couple others – I don’t remember all posts about this game) hit the reason for this in a different thread. The Philbin tragedy weighed hard in this game. I think that this topic needs to be squarely, factually addressed in good taste. Everyone pussyfoots around it.
To begin with, preparation for a big game, according to everything I’ve ever read, is something that goes on for a sustained period of time before that game. Focus is a key factor. Disrupt that focus to any degree and you have a definite obstacle to overcome.
Ron Cassidy played WR for the Pack from 1979 to 1984. He lost his 3 ½ year old son in an automatic garage door accident during a season – and by all accounts that accident cast a spell of gloom over the locker room for quite a time afterward. It's not something that goes very quickly.
In contrast to Brett’s loss of his father (you are less surprised when older people die and, in contrast to a kid, the older ones have lived long enough to have had plenty of chances to make their mark) I think losing a child has to be much harder to take. Perhaps the hardest. I have known people who never seemed to really recover from it. It tears the hearts out of people.
And it obviously changes things for others around them as well. When you have work closely with that bereaved parent, someone you’ve probably come to know, respect and like, you may be thinking about one thing and suddenly your mind is on his loss. You’d do what you could to alleviate the pain of that loss, but you are, in fact, totally helpless to do so – not the frame of mind you want a preparing team to live with. You feel inhibited, you feel you have to watch what you say, not wanting to cause pain needlessly. And you really feel for the guy. Many Packer players have children themselves. How can game preparation be anything like normal in the midst of this? How can football seem as important as it had seemed before?
Even St. Vince’s priority list was, in descending order, God first, then family, then football.
Looking back, I’m not surprised it was the offense that seemed ‘hung over’.
I’m not, in the words of that old bromide, using this as an excuse. I think it’s simple, undeniable fact that it had an effect. Was it enough to change the game? We’ll never know. Don’t know how to measure it.
But because it is easy to point fingers and assign blame I feel it's important to look at this factually rather that treat it like the Elephant in the Living Room and pretend it isn't there.
Was there anything that could have been done? I doubt it. No one wanted it. Everyone did what they could. What they couldn't do was change it -- or pretend it hadn't happened.
Not to take anything away from the Giants – we knew they’d be tough before this tragedy occurred and they were and they’re good. The only thing I’d say to their fans is congratulations – but I wouldn’t gloat over this one.
That's a great point.
I guess we cannot know, can we? But, if it had a major effect, it is an excuse and it is a valid one.
If so, it really renders most criticisms invalid.
It is quite a wild card.
I guess we cannot know, can we? But, if it had a major effect, it is an excuse and it is a valid one.
If so, it really renders most criticisms invalid.
It is quite a wild card.
I don't like making excuses. It may have been a reason, but not an excuse
I gotta get this off my chest.
The Packers stunk yesterday. The turnovers were killer. Rodgers didn't look anywhere near the best QB in the league. The defense couldn't stop the giants on 3rd down passes. What the heck was that Hail Mary pass? That was lame. I have one more word for the Packers' performance yesterday.
BOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
The Packers stunk yesterday. The turnovers were killer. Rodgers didn't look anywhere near the best QB in the league. The defense couldn't stop the giants on 3rd down passes. What the heck was that Hail Mary pass? That was lame. I have one more word for the Packers' performance yesterday.
BOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
I really thought the defense would pick it up a notch yesterday, but that clearly was little more than wishful thinking. Based on the high expectations a 15-1 record produces, I've got it as the worst playoff performance I've ever seen from a Packer team.
Hearing boos yesterday at Lambeau was a very unsettling experience.
I don't mind you doing it here of course BJ, but hearing that at Lambeau sucked. The whole time out/allowing the long run/hail mary was inexcusably boneheaded for a regular season game let alone a playoff game.
Fans couldn't help it I guess.
I think what surprised everyone the most was not coming back in the second half. I think it would have been a different outcome but for the fumbles. That and the failure to convert the 4th and 5. Those were the killers.
I don't mind you doing it here of course BJ, but hearing that at Lambeau sucked. The whole time out/allowing the long run/hail mary was inexcusably boneheaded for a regular season game let alone a playoff game.
Fans couldn't help it I guess.
I think what surprised everyone the most was not coming back in the second half. I think it would have been a different outcome but for the fumbles. That and the failure to convert the 4th and 5. Those were the killers.
quote:I don't like making excuses. It may have been a reason, but not an excuse
Not arguing just a little puzzled. What's the difference between a reason and an excuse?
I'm saying the tragedy was unavoidably an unquantifiable factor but a factor nonetheless, whose effect is unknown. I think it knocks normal judgment into something of a cocked hat because it's completely outside the normal football run of things.
In other words, Boston, not a time for instant finger-pointing. Philbin and those he coaches felt bad enough going in.
According to jsonline, a couple of guys (Bishop, Pickett) said they thought some guys were looking past the Giants to the 49ers.
Seriously, how does that work when they barely beat the Giants six weeks ago? Or when a heavily favored Packer team loses the conference championship 4 years ago in its own house to this team? Perhaps they thought no matter what happened during the game, Rodgers would pull their arses out of the fire, as he had done so many times during the season. Or maybe they believed their press clippings too much after achieving a 15-1 regular season record.
And the Packer fans who sold their tickets and sold out their team instead of supporting them during a playoff game. Seeing all that blue in the stands, and then Giant fans taking over Lambeau as the Packer fans hit the exits . . . lukewarm fan support and almost total lack of effort by the players is sad and disappointing on so many levels.
It's going to take a while to get over the sting from this one.
Seriously, how does that work when they barely beat the Giants six weeks ago? Or when a heavily favored Packer team loses the conference championship 4 years ago in its own house to this team? Perhaps they thought no matter what happened during the game, Rodgers would pull their arses out of the fire, as he had done so many times during the season. Or maybe they believed their press clippings too much after achieving a 15-1 regular season record.
And the Packer fans who sold their tickets and sold out their team instead of supporting them during a playoff game. Seeing all that blue in the stands, and then Giant fans taking over Lambeau as the Packer fans hit the exits . . . lukewarm fan support and almost total lack of effort by the players is sad and disappointing on so many levels.
It's going to take a while to get over the sting from this one.
I was disappointed to see so many leaving early. While the game was over you still can support the team. I stayed until the clock hit zero. You have to take the good with the bad, and it's not all good all the time.
Aside from early in the game when Manning had to call timeout the fans were never in the game. Maybe had GB taken the ball instead of deferring they could have set the tone early.
Aside from early in the game when Manning had to call timeout the fans were never in the game. Maybe had GB taken the ball instead of deferring they could have set the tone early.
quote:Not arguing just a little puzzled. What's the difference between a reason and an excuse?
I agree. I like exaggerated analogies. If someone breaks some guys legs prior to a race and the guy loses, the reason he lost is likely because some guys broke his legs.
But, it's not an excuse?
Anyway, FF, it is a wild card, but the thing that causes me to think it may have had an impact is I think a tragedy can cause distraction and the offense looked distracted.
Not saying it impacted, but it may have. I guess we'll never know.
quote:Originally posted by The GBP Rules:
Aside from early in the game when Manning had to call timeout the fans were never in the game. Maybe had GB taken the ball instead of deferring they could have set the tone early.
The fans in section 135 were into the game. We spent a lot of time on our feet making noise. The number of Giant's fans in the stands was worse than I have ever seen. I have Gold tickets and was fortunate enough to get selected for playoff tickets. I was talking to a guy in the row behind me and he has Green Package tickets and lives in Indiana. He just couldn't understand why all the regulars gave up there tickets. He traveled from Indiana and I came from Illinois.
My four reasons why the Packers did so lousy:
1) Sitting starters in the last game vs Detroit. Almost everyone of the guys who sat (and not the players who were recovering from injury) played "down". While the Packers played that last game to win and it was an exciting team win, I believe they would have been better off yesterday if they played Rodgers, Woodson, Matthews, Cobb, Starks, etc. in the Lions game.
2) Overconfidence. Not playing some of the guys above may have fostered a sense of entitlement among them and the team looking past yesterday's game to next weekend vs the 49ers.
3) The unfortunate death of Coach Philbin's son. We always hear about how important it is for a football team to maintain continuity from week-to-week. But hey, "life happens". The Packers are human beings too and sometimes life events get in the way.
4) Poor coaching decisions: 4th and 5 not electing to punt; The onside kicks.
1) Sitting starters in the last game vs Detroit. Almost everyone of the guys who sat (and not the players who were recovering from injury) played "down". While the Packers played that last game to win and it was an exciting team win, I believe they would have been better off yesterday if they played Rodgers, Woodson, Matthews, Cobb, Starks, etc. in the Lions game.
2) Overconfidence. Not playing some of the guys above may have fostered a sense of entitlement among them and the team looking past yesterday's game to next weekend vs the 49ers.
3) The unfortunate death of Coach Philbin's son. We always hear about how important it is for a football team to maintain continuity from week-to-week. But hey, "life happens". The Packers are human beings too and sometimes life events get in the way.
4) Poor coaching decisions: 4th and 5 not electing to punt; The onside kicks.
quote:Originally posted by GBP1:
4) Poor coaching decisions: 4th and 5 not electing to punt; The onside kicks.
The onside kicks were baffling. The 4th and 5 when at the opponents 39 was understandable. The QB taking a sack was baffling.
AR has a problem throwing the football.
quote:Originally posted by GBFanForLife:quote:Originally posted by GBP1:
4) Poor coaching decisions: 4th and 5 not electing to punt; The onside kicks.
The onside kicks were baffling. The 4th and 5 when at the opponents 39 was understandable. The QB taking a sack was baffling.
The first onside kick was really baffling. I guess MM had zero confidence in the defense.
quote:Originally posted by FreeSafety:
AR has a problem throwing the football.
Are you being sarcastic? If not, I was thinking the same thing. I think Flynn threw the ball much better against the Lions. Really surprising, considering how good Rodgers has been this year.
Not sarcastic.
Brees, Brady, Eli, Stafford etc... they drop back 3,5 or 7 steps and when their plant foot hits the ground they throw the football. Even Matt Flynn was throwing the ball and letting his receivers make a play.
Many times AR holds it too long or scrambles for a 5 or 6 yard gain and takes hits from defenders. A defense will take that all day.
Brees, Brady, Eli, Stafford etc... they drop back 3,5 or 7 steps and when their plant foot hits the ground they throw the football. Even Matt Flynn was throwing the ball and letting his receivers make a play.
Many times AR holds it too long or scrambles for a 5 or 6 yard gain and takes hits from defenders. A defense will take that all day.
quote:Originally posted by Boston Jim:
The first onside kick was really baffling. I guess MM had zero confidence in the defense.
The sad thing is that the defense got some stops. A few 3 and outs. Stops in the red zone that resulted in FGs instead of TDs.
Highest scoring offense in the NFL only managed 20 points and 7 were in garbage time.
Was anybody expecting the defense to hold the Giants under 20?
Was anybody expecting the offense to score only 20?
Both TD's were gifts. Jennings fumbled. Rodgers wasn't roughed.
The offense was putrid.
The offense was putrid.
quote:Originally posted by Fountainfox:quote:I don't like making excuses. It may have been a reason, but not an excuse
Not arguing just a little puzzled. What's the difference between a reason and an excuse?
Well, here's one person's difference:
quote:What is the difference between a valid reason and an excuse?
One way to look at it:
A reason is an explanation. An excuse makes it sound like it was okay.
Another way:
An excuse is a reason justified by dishonesty.
Excuses are a justification for giving up or giving in. You didn't explore all your options, or ignored or denied your options, you didn't plan ahead, you didn't ask for help, you didn't accept help offered. Excuses are reasons that rely on you being dishonest with others and yourself.
The ability to make an excuse relies on choice.
A valid reason restricts your choices.
Example:
I was late because my watch didn't work.
Excuse. There are CHOICES you had to figure out what time it was. Ask someone. Call a time service. Keep a clock in the house or car too. You didn't plan ahead properly because for some reason it wasn't important to you to be on time.
I was late because of a horrible accident on the highway. They closed the road and we were stuck with no way to get off for two hours.
Reason. You didn't have a choice. You were surrounded by other cars equally stuck and had no choice but to wait until the cops could figure out how to get everyone safely detoured. No amount of pre-planning would have changed it.
To each his own, I guess
I was in SEC 128. Fans were screaming most of the game. Very much into it. Hell, we stood most of the game. It looked to me at half time that most fans were booing the Giants walking off the field (after the hail mary).
We did have many giants fans in the SEC. Speculation is that mnny Ticket holders were looking to the NFC Championship Game and dumped the Div game for profit.
We did have many giants fans in the SEC. Speculation is that mnny Ticket holders were looking to the NFC Championship Game and dumped the Div game for profit.
They looked like a team that had not played in 3 or 4 weeks. They lost their momentum and sharpness. It is hard to keep your peak performance for a full seaso. Look at last year, they peaked at the right time and kept their momentum.
Hauser, I mentioned this same thing yesterday. You get it, I wish more could.
Originaly posted by Phaedrus
And the refs didn't miss a call against the gints all-day-long either. I guess I could review and find a few calls... but blah blah, blah.
Despite the loss, I haven't heard ONE Packer player or fan complain about one officiating call. The loss is on us.
Despite the Win, I have heard the media and Gint fans complain how much MORE they would have won by.
quote:Both TD's were gifts. Jennings fumbled. Rodgers wasn't roughed.
The offense was putrid.
And the refs didn't miss a call against the gints all-day-long either. I guess I could review and find a few calls... but blah blah, blah.
Despite the loss, I haven't heard ONE Packer player or fan complain about one officiating call. The loss is on us.
Despite the Win, I have heard the media and Gint fans complain how much MORE they would have won by.
quote:Originally posted by Oldtimer:
And the Packer fans who sold their tickets and sold out their team instead of supporting them during a playoff game. Seeing all that blue in the stands, and then Giant fans taking over Lambeau as the Packer fans hit the exits . . . lukewarm fan support and almost total lack of effort by the players is sad and disappointing on so many levels.
I watched the game with my father. I can't remember which play specifically, but at one point Victor Cruz made a really good catch, and you heard a loud "Cruuuuuuz" coming from the seats. My dad walked back into the room having not seen the play, and asked "why are they booing?". I told him it was Giants fans cheering their receiver. It was pretty disappointing that the Giant fans could make that much noise.
Packers are now 2-4 in their last 6 home games. One would hope that from now on, the "fans" that get tickets to big games like this one would stay for the whole game, and vocally support the Packers.
ZUF, I've heard the same thing. Giant fans said immediately that if they lost, the game was tainted because of the Jennings non fumble call. Something about it being a 14 point swing, and it was obvious at least one official was trying to help the Packers win. When challenged, one of them said "ok, it was at the very least a guaranteed 10 point swing". When I pointed out that a couple of series later, the Giants recovered our onside kick attempt, and we blocked a field goal, he shut up. The Giants could have stopped us on the way to the end zone, but didn't. Unfortunately, it all went downhill from there.
How fast can we send this offense to the equator?
If Giants fans actually think the Giants won the game (took the win) because of their stellar play, they're going to be in for a rude awakening at Candlestick.
Yes the Giants won. The Packers did everything they could to help them to that victory
The Giants played better and deserved to win but they're not some great juggernaut team all of a sudden.
They ain't the 2010 Packers that's for damn sure, even if they do win on Sunday
Yes the Giants won. The Packers did everything they could to help them to that victory
The Giants played better and deserved to win but they're not some great juggernaut team all of a sudden.
They ain't the 2010 Packers that's for damn sure, even if they do win on Sunday
quote:They ain't the 2010 Packers that's for damn sure, even if they do win on Sunday
What if they win Sunday and 2 weeks from then?
Take a good, close look at this photo. 3rd and 11 for the Giants. Packers rushing only 3. By my count, Giants have 7 players blocking our 3 -- 3 on Matthews, 2 on Raji, 2 on whoever else rushed. Counting Eli, that's 8, meaning there's 3 Giants receivers out there going against 8 (!) Packers defenders. What sense does that make? And here's the worst part -- Eli completed those passes! Disgusting.
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