quote:Originally posted by PackerRuss:
and Trix are for kids.
I thought they were for johns.
I thought they were for johns.
I thought they were for johns.
No, we're not stuck in the 3/4 for eternity. But you're talking about a considerable roster overhaul for a team that is not far from SB contention. They do not have 4/3 personnel on this team IMO. The most certainly do not have Tampa 2 personnel. A roster full of de/lb tweeners is not the answer.
Personnel. Open the pocketbook, draft front 7, get better personnel. 2012 was a building year as it turns out. More work to do.
Personnel. Open the pocketbook, draft front 7, get better personnel. 2012 was a building year as it turns out. More work to do.
quote:Originally posted by TimthePackerFan:
Promote Greene to DC, I don't see him tolerating any player that won't play his position the way he wants it played.
I was thinking the same thing. Then you bring in Tyrone Nix to coach the linebackers.
quote:Originally posted by Goalline:quote:Originally posted by PackerRuss:
and Trix are for kids.
I thought they were for johns.
quote:Originally posted by Henry:quote:Originally posted by PackerRuss:
Maybe the game plan was to let Copernicus beat us.
Straight up science. The Pope isn't a big fan either. Silly Christians, facts are for pagans.
Hey now, Copernicus was my shtick! Love ME!
quote:Originally posted by Grave Digger:quote:Originally posted by Rockin' Robin:
What about Eric Mangini?
New England coordinators keep coming and going yet their offense and defense remain the same. I don't trust a former Belichick lackey.
This. You get the sense Belichick coaches everything and his coordinators keep his coffee warm.
quote:Originally posted by Lap-Ka-Dog:
I wonder what kind of outcome Lovie would get with AJ Hawk as his ILB
There might not be a worse fit for any defense than AJ Hawk playing MLB in Lovie's Tampa 2.
quote:Originally posted by CAPackFan95:
So, we're stuck with a 3-4 for the rest of eternity?
Our best defensive player is tailor made for the 3-4...I'm not taking a side in whether or not Capers should be replaced, but I think if a change were made, it would be insane to bring in a 4-3 guy right now. Clay Matthews as a 4-3 WSLB is a waste of his talents. Maybe he'd be effective as a DE, but I have my doubts that he'd provide nearly the impact he does in his current role.
If Lovie gets passed up by Buffalo and a few others, grab him and give him the job. PLEASE make a change TT!
Again, where does CM3 fit in a Tampa 2 defense? Who plays MLB? Do we have safeties that can play two deep shell effectively?
I think Raji and Neal could fill in very nicely as 4-3 DTs...that's the only potential benefit of making a move to this defense that I can see presently.
I think Raji and Neal could fill in very nicely as 4-3 DTs...that's the only potential benefit of making a move to this defense that I can see presently.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Music City:
No, we're not stuck in the 3/4 for eternity. But you're talking about a considerable roster overhaul for a team that is not far from SB contention.
To paraphrase Slick Willie, "depends on what the meaning of not far is".
No, we're not stuck in the 3/4 for eternity. But you're talking about a considerable roster overhaul for a team that is not far from SB contention.
To paraphrase Slick Willie, "depends on what the meaning of not far is".
Slayer would love this thread.
quote:Originally posted by Fond Du Arrigo:
Again, where does CM3 fit in a Tampa 2 defense? Who plays MLB? Do we have safeties that can play two deep shell effectively?
I think Raji and Neal could fill in very nicely as 4-3 DTs...that's the only potential benefit of making a move to this defense that I can see presently.
For some it's not the players or the scheme, it's only the coaches name. Also NFL = Not For Long. I can remember when Easy Ed Donatell was the most loved assistant Packer coach ever. Until he didn't improve over what he did in previous seasons. Then it sounded just as it does now.
quote:Originally posted by DH13:quote:Originally posted by Henry:quote:Originally posted by PackerRuss:
Maybe the game plan was to let Copernicus beat us.
Straight up science. The Pope isn't a big fan either. Silly Christians, facts are for pagans.
Hey now, Copernicus was my shtick! Love ME!
5 dollah. I usually give credit where credit it due. This one is on the house.
quote:Originally posted by Hungry5:quote:Originally posted by PackerRuss:
There was anj article a few years back, and someone touched on it in thsi thread, that Comper's Defenses in teh first three years, are very good statistically (in the top 10-15), and progressively get worse. ....
Grave Digger has refuted this a few months back.
Well, I'm not so sure, Hungry5. I'll look at it more in depth, but just looking at Pro Football Reference, it was a mixed bag for Capers.
He was defensive coordinator for the Steelers from 1992 to 1994.
NFL Ranks in points allowed, yards allowed
1992: 2 out of 28, 13 out of 28
1993: 8 out of 28, 3 out of 28
1994: 2 out of 28, 2 out of 28
So his units were outstanding in Pittsburgh.
Next stop as defensive coordinator, Jacksonville
NFL Ranks in points allowed, yards allowed
1999: 1st out of 30, 4th out of 30
2000: 16th out of 30, 12th out of 30
Big decline from first year to his second, but that's a very simplified look. One would have to examine personnel changes, injuries, strength of schedule, etc, before saying this was Capers' fault.
The next time Capers was a defensive coordinator came in 2007 for the Dolphins.
NFL Ranks in points allowed, yards allowed
2007: 30th out of 32, 23rd out of 32.
In 2006, Miami was 5th in the NFL in points allowed, and 4th in yards allowed. Again, not blaming that on Capers, but it's interesting. There could be a lot of explanations. Change of defensive system, injuries, etc.
His final stop as a defensive coordinator has been in Green Bay.
NFL Ranks in points allowed, yards allowed
2009: 7th out of 32, 2nd out of 32
2010: 2nd out of 32, 5th out of 32
2011: 19th out of 32, 32nd out of 32
2012: 11th out of 32, 11th out of 32
I'd like to look more in depth at how his teams have done in the playoffs. And I'd also like to see how much talent he had at each stop. How many Pro Bowlers, etc.
I would get Lovie Smith. If the defensive talent is not where it should be (which I think most of us agree is the case), his input in selecting the players necessary to build a Super Bowl caliber defense would be invaluable.
Originally Posted by Hungry5:
People peak at different points in their life. I think Hawk peaked when he was 22 or 23. The Packers are draft and develop, who knew Hawk wouldn't develop past his college level of play.
The draft and develop is getting old. They need to start mixing in some veteren FA's next year. UDFA's are not going to cut it when the injuries start.
