ILB Tracker: Preseason 2015

Would be good to compare # of snaps so far for each of the top 4 plus Ryan from this years draft. Just off those stats Ryan seems to be holding his own from a comparable perspective. But, you'd think the top 4 (1st and 2nd round picks) would be getting more snaps based on draft position and team needs.

 

 

 

Wake me when we get some real data to work with. The position is still a concern, especially with Matthews out.

Very little to take from that list when "who they were up against" i.e. starters, 2nds, 3rds, etc., is not factored in.

Like the idea of tracking those guys against our own but yeah, hard to make real comparison based on raw stats in preseason.  I really thought one of those five guys would be a Packer.  Definitely something to track in the regular season. 

We'll know in about three years how it all panned out.

Some guys you know sooner than later.  They'll be the first liquidated.

Well, I was just curious to see if any of them were lighting it up with quick, simple stats. Seems we are doing OK there, especially when all we really need is one capable starter next to Matthews. I like the depth there. These next two games might show us a little more, depending on who gets the starts, and for how long.

Palmer needs an *, the dude is playing with one hand.

My concern is that he's playing with one hand and is still ahead of Ryan, Bradford, etc.

What is the snap count for each player?

Ryan is 2 preseason games removed from college.

Yeah, depth.

Don't have it in me to look up all the other team's players, but yesterday for GB:

 

Barrington 33

Palmer 24

Dantzler 22

Bradford 21

Ryan 17

Thomas 6

Francis 6

 

Also, cannot find a source for first preseason game against NE. I initially thought Palmer played a lot more than Bradford, but I was wrong on that.

Would you happen to know if those include special teams snaps?    

Sure hope they're able to land an ILB early in the draft next year. None of these guys are more than marginal talents but this is what they'll have to make do with for this season. Clay will give them some help inside so that will alleviate some problems....after that you mix and match and hope for something to stick

 

Jake Ryan - 62

 

Eric Kendricks - 77

 

Denzel Perryman - 25

 

Stephone Anthony - 62

 

Benardrick McKinney - 41

 

Paul Dawson - 21

 

 

CIN plays tonight and I'm sure Dawson will even out his numbers with the rest of them.

Thanks bubbleboy. Where did you get those?

no problem.

 

pro football focus. only kendricks and ben heeney (OAK) have higher PFF ratings than ryan among rookies through 2 preseason games, for what it's worth.

Thanks man! I guess if you consider Bradford a redshirt, we would have 2 in the top 4.

Would love to see Ryan and Bradford start, just to see how they'd fare against the 1s.

after re-watching the game, a few things jumped out:

- palmer needs to get rid of the club or not start

- ryan is assignment sure when he covers the flat, but he gets absorbed way too easily

- i think the ilb is much less important than we (I) think, esp. since we played alot of db's and fat boy rushes,

- we have a lot of speed and recognition on the db's - they will be the strength of this team.

- i think they are trying out schemes where ilb is not going to bury the defense.

Thx for the write-up pkr north, good stuff dude

Relatively speaking, ILB isn't very important in the Capers defense, but they do need competent/consistent play there

This is also why its absurd to have Clay there any more than absolutely neccessary

Too many fans clamor for the security blanket of Clay playing inside

(Thumbsuckers and sitzpinklers)

 

 

Why Hawk was kept around as long as he was. Never spectacular and never a liability, until 2014.

Yeah, thx Pkr north.

Personally, I think Matthews is far more effective at ILB and want him to stay there. His instincts are incredible, which I believe is more of an asset to him there than on the edge. Plus, I think his pass rush from outside was becoming less effective when full-time OLB. Using him as a mix of both at will within scheme is incredibly good.  Should be pretty damn fun to watch.

Watched Hawk for a few plays last night against Tampa. He played quite a bit. Over the last two years he's developed this bizarre habit of hopping around and planting his feet with psychotic emphasis like he sniffed things out and knows exactly where he's going only he doesn't really go anywhere. He ended up with 1 assist last night. Probably 7 yards downfield on 3rd and 6. 

ya and hawk, they keep saying, he's a savvy vet who can make all the calls, blah blah, when he tackles 7 yds downfield, enjoy cinci.

Here's some notes on Vaughters from JSO

 

James Vaughters, a rookie free-agent linebacker from Stanford, was told to attend meetings with the inside linebackers Tuesday after having played nothing but outside linebacker since May.

In Pittsburgh, Vaughters was tossed in at inside linebacker for the final six plays (three snaps, three kneel-downs) after getting a quick heads-up from coaches. One scout said he had been impressive in 16 snaps outside against the Patriots.

Then Vaughters didn't take a snap in the team portion of practice Wednesday and Thursday before the Steelers game.

"He had a big rush and made a nice play on a screen," Capers said, referring to New England. "Those two plays stood out from a positive standpoint. There weren't any really poor ones."

Vaughters started four games inside in 2012 and 14 outside in 2013-'14. At 6-foot-2, he was the shortest of eight outside linebackers in camp.

"He could be versatile enough where he could fit both," said Scott McCurley, assistant linebackers coach.

Any comments from Winston Moss

Seems they are wanting players that can play any LB position, able to switch inside or outside at any given time. Interesting move with Vaughters. I think they switched Mulumba inside and Barrington outside for one play v. PIT. I'm a big fan of Vaughters, and think he will become a great player for us with some development.

Yeah Boris, Winston Moss said ****-q X4, but McGinn didn't run with that quote 

 

CIN fan after watching the Bengals...

 

If we're being honest, AJ Hawk shouldn't make this roster.

— Joe Goodberry (@JoeGoodberry) August 26, 2015

 

 

I think he's CIN version of Nagler.

 

For all the hate, he is a proven commodity.

 

No one sets a poor to mediocre defense like AJ

I think AJ would be a pretty good LB coach.

This does a couple of things.

Big picture, it helps overcome injuries and gives flexibility

On game day it helps when teams run up-tempo on the Packers to keep them from subbing. If the LBs are all cross-trained, then the Packers can move dudes around and run different defenses without needing to substitute.

 

MM says: Less volume, more creativity

@Boris. Now that sounds like a Winston Moss comment. 

 

 

       
       
According to you any player that makes a tackle or catches a football is gonna become a great player...I'm really beginning to see what Henry is talking about now

Hey!

I think everyone throws the word "great" around a little too much. Even though he said "great" I didn't take his sentence to mean "Hall of Fame type player" but rather a "better player than Jones and/or Hawk that won't cost us victories."

 

Just my nickels worth

Security blanket?  It changed the whole defense!   We started going from bottom half in the league to ending up like top 12 as soon as soon as the switch was made.   That's not security, it's game-changing.

 

Plus Matthews got almost all his sacks there.  He wasn't getting them outside last year before the switch.  None of his moves were working outside anymore.    It didn't compromise Clay, it did the opposite: it moved him to a spot where he became productive again. It rejuvenated him. 

 

Coaches aren't messing with success for a good reason.  Too many fans clamoring for them to screw up a good thing and move Clay back outside.

 

(Long way of saying I disagree. )