This pretty much sums up the mess
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I just realized----Rogers is not "special" this year.
There's your reason.
Pretty sure the offense is designed that if you cannot find a defender to run into that your next progression is to run into a teammate, so it is pretty hard to blame the coached on players not running into things.
Clements is going to have the WRs run into each other first in Washington. Flip the script..
We are just less talented this year 
Middle finger, possum, con job...
You know, this icing cookies thing is not all that bad. I think I like it better than lighting candles and listening to Zen music. 
So everyone sees the same crap routes/offense all of us have yet the coaches still run it with DropVante and the Slow-Mo Twins why? Especially with a banged up offensive line who isn't providing extra time?
Yeah, I'm warming up to firing McStupidface. Offensive genius, my butt. Two Hall-of-Fame QBS and this is what he has when there's adversity?
Coming from the guy who thinks Joel Stave is a pro
Bob McGinn states it pretty well.
Green Bay — These Green Bay Packers proved conclusively Sunday night at Lambeau Field that they were not worthy of winning the NFC North Division championship.
Coach Mike McCarthy tried to take the air out of the ball. He did, he really did. Imagine that, an offense quarterbacked by Aaron Rodgers that either was afraid or incapable of even trying to throw the ball downfield.
....and more
The Packers' first possession was like something out of the Twilight Zone. It was old-fashioned offense, the kind not seen at Lambeau Field in more than two decades.
Starting from the 20, McCarthy ran 14 of the next 15 plays with at least two running backs on the field. Just one play came with Rodgers in shotgun formation. Nine of the 15 were runs.
McCarthy opened in an inverted wishbone, of all things, for the first two snaps. It told everyone the Packers didn't trust their passing game and would attempt to win playing power football.
The Washington Post article is the umpteenth piece written stating essentially the same thing and what's wrong with this O. Yes, injuries to Jordy and Monty and some of the OL at times are a factor. But as was pointed out last week, GB has something like 5-6 players placed on IR. When you compare that across the league and certainly to previous years, the Packers actually haven't been all that unhealthy. Other teams like NE and the upcoming Redskins would kill to be this healthy.
Which brings me back to Ted. He sits there perched high in those suites watching these same tired 11 personnel formations and seeing few if anybody getting open, WRs literally running TOWARD and TO DB's, and no scheming or creativity to throw anyone open.The running game, when successful, MM once again abandons the run way too often and way too early.
If you showed him this article, the SI.com one written months ago, many of his friend Bad Bobs observations, local blogs like cheesehead tv, packersnotes, etc I cannot imagine you'd show him anything he isn't painfully already aware of.
The question is: Come this offseason (which is likely in 6 days) what the hell are you going to do about it Mr. Thompson?
Here is a listing of games missed by every NFL team. NE is by far and away number 1 with over 240 starts missed. GB who started banged up ended up 24th in missed starts (121) which makes us the 8th healthiest team in the NFL. So before we all pile on about how banged up we are, we'll we really aren't.
packerboi posted:The question is: Come this offseason (which is likely in 6 days) what the hell are you going to do about it Mr. Thompson?
That's a much better question for Pittsburgh Macho.
I would be interested to know more details about who came up with these plays. Are they the same from last year? Was it MM, TC, EB changing things up in the office season? It's crazy to think about what this offense (minus 1 very good WR) has turned into.
Wonder if Philbin would like another turn as OC?
GBP1 posted:This pretty much sums up the mess
What an indictment of MM, Clements and AVP. Pathetic. Worth the click. Thanks for posting.
From the comments field of the article: The usual answer is that, after 6 weeks, opposing defenses have a lot of film to work with, and if the Packers kept doing the same thing, opposing defenses knew what was coming. You have to always be coming up with something new.
MM: We do what we do. Phone it in.
Remember that route Monty ran for a TD against St. Louis. Rub with RRodgers got him open in the middle. Have we seen it with ANYBODY since?
They didn't change the entire scheme from what they did in the past, so why is it that suddenly the scheme is too simple and easy to defend? No scheme, not even McStupid's, calls for routes to run in to each other, that seems to me like players who aren't doing what they are supposed to be doing. That's not to let McCarthy off the hook, I don't think he has adjusted the scheme to account for the brutally inexperienced players he has available.
Maybe this is as close as we get to a rebuilding year!
So McCarthy and Clements have had years of success in this league and over one off-season they've become stupid. At first the playcalling was the problem, but then a league proven playcaller took over the job and that didn't help at all. Maybe the third man added to the equation this year, Edgar Bennett as the offensive coordinator, is a problem? That seems to be the one significant change in this equation.
It does seem foolish to have a head coach calling plays, another coach as sort of and "executive coach" on offense and a third coach as the offensive coordinator. It may not have been that way at the beginning of the season, but now it looks like a convoluted mess.
AVP can't coach wide receivers. That's been proven by this year. Needs to go bye-bye.
just cuz AVP can't coach WRs doesn't mean he has to be dismissed. he's been the QB/WR coach this year. maybe they just need to drop the WR from that title.
YATittle posted:Remember that route Monty ran for a TD against St. Louis. Rub with RRodgers got him open in the middle. Have we seen it with ANYBODY since?
I just rewatched the highlight. Between the successful football, smile on AR's face and sunshine beaming on happy Lambeau fans, it feels like a bizzarro version of the current situation.
It does seem foolish to have a head coach calling plays, another coach as sort of and "executive coach" on offense and a third coach as the offensive coordinator. It may not have been that way at the beginning of the season, but now it looks like a convoluted mess.
It's called
I think we need to play to our strength which is school yard ball. What that means is going away from the 3 wr 1TE 1RB packages and play with 4 WR. Throw a bunch of WR screens as running plays, be okay with the scramble drill, open the offense up and every once in awhile mix in Eddie against a dime defense.
I'll take Janis or cobb on a WR screen to get a big play versus Eddie up the middle.
what we have done all year hasn't worked, we can't commit to the run so lets come out in the 4 WR 1RB group in the hurry up offense. Rodgers hasn't been great this year, but he is still our best offense of player...let's put the game in his hands. Oh, not to mention the Redskins DB are banged-up.
Local radio this AM was saying there are design plays which you can roll AR out but not all the way to right or left the way they do with Russell Favre and at times Newton. This would allow Rodgers to throw on the run somewhat much like he did in the 4th Q last week. It also seemed to open some things up for the WR's.
The other key they have to improve is tempo. They are taking WAY too long between downs which 1.) allows the defense to catch their breath 2.) forced AR to call a ridiculous T.O. because the clock was running to 0.
packerboi posted:Local radio this AM was saying there are design plays which you can roll AR out but not all the way to right or left the way they do with Russell Favre and at times Newton. This would allow Rodgers to throw on the run somewhat much like he did in the 4th Q last week. It also seemed to open some things up for the WR's.
My 3rd and 4th grade team has a similar set of plays. So does every other football team on every level.
It ain't rocket science. If you have a mobile QB, get him on the move. It opens up so many holes in the defense.
Grave Digger posted:They didn't change the entire scheme from what they did in the past, so why is it that suddenly the scheme is too simple and easy to defend? No scheme, not even McStupid's, calls for routes to run in to each other, that seems to me like players who aren't doing what they are supposed to be doing. That's not to let McCarthy off the hook, I don't think he has adjusted the scheme to account for the brutally inexperienced players he has available.
Maybe this is as close as we get to a rebuilding year!
The 2 things that you always consider when formulating & implementing a scheme are 1) Can the players you have physically execute it 2) Can the players you have mentally execute it. It appears to me that without Jordy our players are physically unable to execute the scheme to be successful. Without a deep threat, defenses are able to play us in ways they never have previously had success with(playing press coverage with one high safety). The one player that appears to have the physical tools to be a threat is Janis, but he does not appear to, as of yet, have the mental skills to execute it. I guess I equate it to basketball. If you are coaching in college and run a lot of NBA isolation stuff, are successful, but then because of injury you no longer have players that can beat their man one-on-one, do you stay with this scheme, or run an offense that is predicated on players helping each other get open (set plays or motion) ?
You can't tell me Abby or Janis cannot run the route Monty ran up the middle of the field for a TD.
I can't imagine the offense staying this stale in the playoffs. I'm guessing he's trying to keep things off tape. It's really the only logical explanation.
You could even have Janis just run a jet sweep ala what the Queens did to us to the tune of 2 separate 32+ yard gains. I mean, Janis! can't even do that?
Edit: From McGinn
Hyde simply has unreal ball skills. With Patterson's fumble rolling away, he secured the ball so exquisitely that there was never a doubt about the recovery.
Maybe 33 needs to start playing on offense.
El-Ka-Smartypants posted:Coming from the guy who thinks Joel Stave is a pro
Practice Squad Fodder still gets paid. $6300/week, which isn't too shabby considering the median U.S. household makes just under a grand/week.
The only time we saw either Janis or Abbrederis on the field last week was on special teams. I just can't believe either one of them is worse than Adams. it's just not possible. If they were they shouldn't be on an NFL roster.
We keep hearing how stupid Janis is and how he can't learn the playbook. He scored a 23 and a 32 on the Wonderlic. So he's not a moron.
I can throw a football inaccurately. Sign me up.
Boris posted:You can't tell me Abby or Janis cannot run the route Monty ran up the middle of the field for a TD.
I can't imagine the offense staying this stale in the playoffs. I'm guessing he's trying to keep things off tape. It's really the only logical explanation.
Middle finger. Playing possum. The ultimate con.
All part of a devious plan to get SEA in GB for the NFC-CG.
Lose to MIN to get WAS in the WC round, another game they can win with defense and just enough offense.
Have SEA win in the WC round and then have them take out CAR.
Completely laid an egg vs ARI in the regular season only to release Janis! on them in the DIV round.
Brilliant!
The GBP Rules posted:We keep hearing how stupid Janis is and how he can't learn the playbook. He scored a 23 and a 32 on the Wonderlic. So he's not a moron.
Janis wonderlic strategy.
Hungry5 posted:Middle finger. Playing possum. The ultimate con.
All part of a devious plan to get SEA in GB for the NFC-CG.
Lose to MIN to get WAS in the WC round, another game they can win with defense and just enough offense.
Have SEA win in the WC round and then have them take out CAR.
Completely laid an egg vs ARI in the regular season only to release Janis! on them in the DIV round.
Brilliant!
That's some Bond villian kind of ****. Dr. McStupidFace.
what the hell does Janis! do when he rolls a 6?
WHEN HE ROLLS A SIX!
Forecast is -20 wind chill in Minnehaha this weekend. That's abusive to a walrus. Seattle and Vikings should both be battered by weather! MM is a jeenyous?
Actually do hope that the weather can play a factor against Seattle. Rather they get knocked out as soon as possible. They're playing like the best team in the NFC this 2nd half. Top 5 offense, top scoring defense again....that's a winning combination