And don’t even mention how he treats his parents.
Fedya posted:The second question is will some nimrod HOF voter doesn't vote for him and he isn't an unanimous selection?
Does the NFL even reveal whether inductees were unanimous or not? This isn't the self-righteous baseball writers we're talking about.
I honestly don't think that they reveal that or perhaps even reveal who voted for whom. But any HOF fame voters who vote in the Broncos RB who had a couple of good years into the HOF you never know what they will do.
As for the greatest of all time debate that one is tough because there are very few of us now that have seen QBs pre Super Bowl era play. And even during the Super Bowl era the game has changed tremendously in how defenses have been allowed to play. Also, add to the thought that so much is put on the QB if they haven't won a Super Bowl or if they have never been to one. I immediately argue that it is a testement to just how good AR is given the fact that during a big part of his career the Packers defense hasn't been very good. To win all of those division titles and playoff games with Capers as your DC tells you just how good AR really has been.
It is only my personal opinion but there is no one that can touch Brady as the best ever. Look back to the offensive players around him and outside of Gronk, Randy Moss, and the endless fast white slot receivers who has been that great around him? yes he has had BB and good defenses but you cannot argue with results.
The whole GOAT argument hinges on defining "greatest". How you rank them is directly tied to that and there are a dozen different ways to define the term. Even if you create categories, you won't have apples to apples because of different eras, circumstances, etc.
If there were one guy that stood head and shoulders above all others in nearly every category maybe you pick him. But that guy doesn't exist.
The difficulty with these kind of comparisons is the rule changes in recent history (last 20 years) have really allowed QBs and WRs to thrive whereas in years past defenders could take more head shots or get their hands on receivers. Simply put, it was harder to accumulate passing stats in the old days as a QB.
There are players that could excel in any era due to their play style and talent. Guys like Sterling Sharpe and Adrian Peterson come to mind.
Bigger question, is Jaymo a flaming douche?
That's actually a very very small question. One may say "insignificant".
Blair Kiel posted:And don’t even mention how he treats his parents.
And he kicks cancer patients then points and laughs.
Pakrz posted:Tom Brady will absolutely be recognized as the greatest QB in NFL history. To think otherwise is silly.
The stats are there. The championships are there. The longevity is there. I mean, come on...
Playing against teams like Miami and the NYJets twice a season and the entire AFC got them into Super Bowls with ease. You have to look at Brady's opponents each year and see how tough they were, too. Other than the Chiefs, recently, zero competition in his own league got Brady at least a couple of those Lombardi's. I'd like to see him play NFC opponents, more often, and have him take the kind of hits Rodgers did every week, to see how he really stacks up. He's not #1 in my book.
Henry posted:Blair Kiel posted:And don’t even mention how he treats his parents.
And he kicks cancer patients then points and laughs.
I think the "pointing" part was made up just to make the incident more sexy.
PackLandVA posted:Henry posted:Blair Kiel posted:And don’t even mention how he treats his parents.
And he kicks cancer patients then points and laughs.
I think the "pointing" part was made up just to make the incident more sexy.
Richard Sherman added that Rodgers didn't shake hands with the cancer patients.
Music City posted:The Brady GOAT discussion makes me want to punch a fucking wall. 6 rings thanks to Belichick makes him a GOAT? Boston sports fans are the worst in sports... and that’s including Vikings fans.
So just to be clear, it makes you go into a violent rage that people would consider a QB with this resume as the greatest QB of all time?
6 Super Bowl Wins
2nd all time in TDs (and 12 behind 1st)
3rd all time in passing yards (will move into 2nd this Sunday)
4th all time in QB Rating,
2nd in INT Rate
Most wins in NFL History
2nd highest winning percentage all time
Forget the Super Bowl rings for a second, it's pretty easy to argue that's he's also the best statistical QB of all time as well. Worst case, he's 2nd or 3rd.
He has the Rings. He has the stats. There's nothing fraudulent about his career at all, unlike say John Elway.
And this is coming from a hater of that org and that robotic goof.
I mean, I'm pretty sure this is just one of thousands of things that makes him want to punch a fucking wall. Your reply might just add to the list?
I can see an argument that Brady may possibly not be the GOAT, but to insist he cannot be is to belie a 100% lack of objectivity.
It is absurd in the extreme.
This is the ‘net, objectivity is not needed
The all time passing yards is a joke. How many games did it take???
Is Rodgers a HOF QB? Do the Vikings s*** in the Super Bowl?
Rhetorical questions.
Fandame posted:Is Rodgers a HOF QB? Do the Vikings s*** in the Super Bowl?
Rhetorical questions.
I thought it was ok to say "suck" in here? 
GBFanForLife posted:The all time passing yards is a joke. How many games did it take???
poking on the heart of the argument. Well done.
Supposedly Rodgers was in Game of Thrones. Anybody notice? Yeah just as I thought. Disappears in big games.
That's a dad joke masquerading as a millennial joke.
Timpranillo posted:Music City posted:The Brady GOAT discussion makes me want to punch a fucking wall. 6 rings thanks to Belichick makes him a GOAT? Boston sports fans are the worst in sports... and that’s including Vikings fans.
So just to be clear, it makes you go into a violent rage that people would consider a QB with this resume as the greatest QB of all time?
6 Super Bowl Wins
2nd all time in TDs (and 12 behind 1st)
3rd all time in passing yards (will move into 2nd this Sunday)
4th all time in QB Rating,
2nd in INT Rate
Most wins in NFL History
2nd highest winning percentage all time
Forget the Super Bowl rings for a second, it's pretty easy to argue that's he's also the best statistical QB of all time as well. Worst case, he's 2nd or 3rd.
He has the Rings. He has the stats. There's nothing fraudulent about his career at all, unlike say John Elway.
And this is coming from a hater of that org and that robotic goof.
What about the controversy concerning Brady's balls, though? That's gotta be considered, right?
mrtundra posted:Pakrz posted:Tom Brady will absolutely be recognized as the greatest QB in NFL history. To think otherwise is silly.
The stats are there. The championships are there. The longevity is there. I mean, come on...
Playing against teams like Miami and the NYJets twice a season and the entire AFC got them into Super Bowls with ease. You have to look at Brady's opponents each year and see how tough they were, too. Other than the Chiefs, recently, zero competition in his own league got Brady at least a couple of those Lombardi's. I'd like to see him play NFC opponents, more often, and have him take the kind of hits Rodgers did every week, to see how he really stacks up. He's not #1 in my book.
This is more silliness. There is little, if any, debate that Tom Brady is the GOAT. Personally, I find it somewhat laughable that people want to attempt to argue otherwise. You hear shit like "division opponents" or "they're cheaters" or whatever. The guy has longevity, the stats, the rings, the leadership... dude checks every God damn box there is. But he's not the GOAT, because I said so and fuck him.
Give me a break with that nonsense.
With the exception of 2-3 years with the Jets about 10 years ago the Patriots have had no competition in that division under Brady’s watch.
Not their fault by cmon man
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Just because I don't see Brady as the GOAT, doesn't mean I don't recognize his accomplishments. I'd put him in the top 10 certainly. We're talking about QB'ing not team accomplishments like World Championships.
For me it's Automatic Otto or Unitas.
There are 2 players that have a shot to surpass those 2 but they have more work to do.
One is Rodgers....The other is a player I haven't seen come into the league since Rodgers and that player is Patrick Mahomes.
The both have ongoing careers so let's see what happens when they're done. Lotsa football to play yet.
In as much as Bart Starr was great but certainly not the greatest, Tom Brady is similar. He just happens to play in the passing era, so the stats are gaudy and he has rings because he had the opportunities. His accomplishments are great. But he is neither a great thrower of the ball nor a great playmaker. How can you be the GOAT if you’re neither of these?
Brady is a really good QB. Worthy of praise. But the Redskins won 3 Championships with mediocre talent at QB. The Giants won with Jeff friggin Hostetler. Rings don’t make the player. In football, coaching and team talent make Championships.
You'll never convince me he’s better than Favre or Rodgers. If asked to do what these men had to do to win, he’d have been out of the league in 5 years.
And I am not even that big a Favre fan. you put Favre or Rodgers on a Belichick coached team and they have the hardware, too...
This is the point in the thread that I’ll mention that Kurds are dying...maybe there are bigger things to concern ourselves with.
But I’ll still take Starr.
Blair Kiel posted:This is the point in the thread that I’ll mention that Kurds are dying...maybe there are bigger things to concern ourselves with.
I just made a ham sandwich.
Blair Kiel posted:This is the point in the thread that I’ll mention that Kurds are dying...maybe there are bigger things to concern ourselves with.
They stiffed us at Normandy
I think they sided with George Washington when he won back our airports.
Floridarob posted:And if anyone reads the REAL news for what kind of player he is off the field he will eventually have the biggest statue in front of Lambeau. . Lucas had a great story about him in teh State Journal that shows how special he is. Favre went out of his way to ignore young players. Here is a guy that was a nobody that AR single out and encouraged.
Great story. Thanks. Maybe this is why Patrick takes it very personally when someone cheapshots Rogers.
Tschmack posted:With the exception of 2-3 years with the Jets about 10 years ago the Patriots have had no competition in that division under Brady’s watch.
Not their fault by cmon man
Definitely shitty teams in the division but I'll never buy the argument that weak division = Super Bowl champs.
So I'm listening to the Will Cain show while driving today. Question, "What active QB would you want to win a much needed game for you?" Not sure who the voters were but Brady got 14, Mahomes, Brees, Big Ben and Deshon Watson got 1 each. Not even one vote for AR12.