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I hope so. Dropping a guy from my fantasy team almost always works.
It always intrigues me how managers say they are going to stick with a guy until he breaks out of it, no matter how much they struggle. Because that's showing dedication to your players.
But the reality is, if this was Logan Schaefer, Matt Gamel, or any other insignificant young player they would be benched.
Leaving Rickie in the lineup night after night has very little to do with Roenicke and his loyalty to his players. And more to do with the number 2 overall pick, and the size of his contract.
But the reality is, if this was Logan Schaefer, Matt Gamel, or any other insignificant young player they would be benched.
Leaving Rickie in the lineup night after night has very little to do with Roenicke and his loyalty to his players. And more to do with the number 2 overall pick, and the size of his contract.
Who is going to play 2nd base?
Gonzo? Have you seen his stats? Scooter? His 750 OPS from 3 seasons in the minors isn't exactly tearing it up.. Remember how horrid weeks was last year? He ended with a 730 OPS.. You can't expect Scooter to just come up and continue what he did on the farm against MLB pitching.
The only realistic option is the occasional day off and a move down in the lineup.
Gonzo? Have you seen his stats? Scooter? His 750 OPS from 3 seasons in the minors isn't exactly tearing it up.. Remember how horrid weeks was last year? He ended with a 730 OPS.. You can't expect Scooter to just come up and continue what he did on the farm against MLB pitching.
The only realistic option is the occasional day off and a move down in the lineup.
quote:The only realistic option is the occasional day off and a move down in the lineup.
I agree with this right here for rickie, give the guy a day off once in awhile when he is in a funk.
quote:Originally posted by Corageous-Ka-Bong:
I hope so. Dropping a guy from my fantasy team almost always works.
Weeks 3-4, double, home run, 3 runs, 5 RBI.
Thank you.
Melvin needs to look to move Weeks for a good pitcher, at his salary and our need for arms, there is no need for Weeks to be in Milwaukee any more. jmo.
I am a fan of Weeks but as of now (below the Mendoza line) how in the world could you expect to get "a good pitcher" for him?
Using his salary for a productive player is at least what you could hope for, if you got a low level future prospect, I think I'd take it.
rickie is what he is and I think its time now to move on, especially with the salary he commands at his production level in a city like Milwaukee.
Weeks is an example of the difference between StLouis and Milwaukee franchises'.jmo.
rickie is what he is and I think its time now to move on, especially with the salary he commands at his production level in a city like Milwaukee.
Weeks is an example of the difference between StLouis and Milwaukee franchises'.jmo.
Part of me agrees and the other says to have patience. If he starts producing and the Brewers are out of the playoffs, then trade him at the deadline.
Rickie sucks right now, who would be so gracious as to take on his salary for fun?
The Brewers are now and always have been enamored with the possibilities of what they imagine Rickie can be. He has shown flashes of being an extremely fine hitter. The problem is that he only shows flashes. In the last few years he has been mostly horrible, and as I have said before, he's just not good enough defensively to keep him in the lineup when he struggles offensively. Like many of you, I'm baffled as to why Roenicke keeps playing him.
Trump, the more likely to happen is he's traded in this off-season. He is more tradeable if doing well then the alternative and that is why he will continue to play. As of now Rickie is pulling down $10m in '13 and then, on his last year of that contract, $11m in '14. Team has an option for $11.5 in '15 (which at this time will not pick up). If he, as you said, is traded now Milwaukee would have to pick up/eat even more money than moving him before next season. Milwaukee cannot and will not do that once again. jmo
quote:Originally posted by Corageous-Ka-Bong:
Rickie sucks right now, who would be so gracious as to take on his salary for fun?
Cubs.
Sveum has enough ego to talk Epstein into the idea he can get offensive value out of him, especially in Wrigley.
I think he'd make a great fit there.
Weeks is not hitting the ball very well and with the exception of the last couple of months of last season he hasn't hit the ball well in some time now.
The difficulty is that with his contract no team is going to trade for the guy, and to make matters worse who is going to play 2B?
The difficulty is that with his contract no team is going to trade for the guy, and to make matters worse who is going to play 2B?
The manager should be the one who is empowered to make the decisions about who plays. Who plays should be determined by production, not salary. I find it difficult to believe that Melvin or Attanasio are telling Roenicke you have to play Rickie because he is making a lot of money. So the bottom line is that Weeks playing time falls on Ron Roenicke. Where I struggle is how he can stay with a guy who is hitting below .200.
if below .200 is the standard (and you all know I am opposed to using BA as any kind of standard), what if we chose the ability to get on base or not get on base? If that is the case, Rickie manages to get to first more often than Yuni or Luc, should those guys be benched? If you want to talk about what are they doing when they make contact? Well here is where I am concerned, as Rickie is bottoming out with power (good thing he takes a walk, cause that is how he is getting to first.). So what is more sustainable? Rickie's ability to get on base, or Yuni's power?
I think it goes deeper than getting on base vs. batting average. He's coming up to bat with a lot of runners in scoring position. I think he is leading the league in K's. And it feels like when he hits it's a double play ball. I don't know if he's not seeing the ball well, whether it's a mechanical thing, or if he's just off balance and looking for a pitch he's not getting. All I know is that it's time for some bench time for him.
Betancourt's role is to be a backup infielder and he makes 900K this year.
Lucroy is having a down year, but he's at 750K this year and his defensive metrics indicates he's at least an average catcher defensively.
Weeks makes 10 million a year and is being paid to be a difference maker. His defensive metrics suggest he's a terrible defensive player. His strengths were that he works the count well, draws some walks, and has some power. He still draws some walks but the power numbers are down. He turns 31 in September and has over 4000 plate appearances. He's likely to get worse at this point not better. In fact, his OPS has decreased every year for the last 5 years (857, 830, 818, 728, 592).
Maybe someone will take him for a playoff run this fall. He'd be a decent backup guy off the bench/pinchhitter for a playoff team.
Lucroy is having a down year, but he's at 750K this year and his defensive metrics indicates he's at least an average catcher defensively.
Weeks makes 10 million a year and is being paid to be a difference maker. His defensive metrics suggest he's a terrible defensive player. His strengths were that he works the count well, draws some walks, and has some power. He still draws some walks but the power numbers are down. He turns 31 in September and has over 4000 plate appearances. He's likely to get worse at this point not better. In fact, his OPS has decreased every year for the last 5 years (857, 830, 818, 728, 592).
Maybe someone will take him for a playoff run this fall. He'd be a decent backup guy off the bench/pinchhitter for a playoff team.
quote:Originally posted by WarrenSpahn:
I think it goes deeper than getting on base vs. batting average.
I agree.
quote:Originally posted by WarrenSpahn:
He's coming up to bat with a lot of runners in scoring position. I think he is leading the league in K's. And it feels like when he hits it's a double play ball.
Just do me a favor once and check and see if anything you are saying is true.
quote:Originally posted by WarrenSpahn:
I don't know if he's not seeing the ball well, whether it's a mechanical thing, or if he's just off balance and looking for a pitch he's not getting. All I know is that it's time for some bench time for him.
He's seeing the ball well enough to walk a lot. One thing to check would be his babip. That might help your speculation.
I know I am not happy with the production at all. His power numbers are down, and aside from getting on base (and he needs to do that better as well), not much good is coming with the stick. "Just bench him" isn't to well thought out though, because the option is Yuni, and I would rather gut it out with Rickie than hope Yuni could maintain his pace.
There is no call to denigrate anyone for having an opinion.
quote:Maybe someone will take him for a playoff run this fall. He'd be a decent backup guy off the bench/pinchhitter for a playoff team.
Not at $10MM this year and $11MM next year
quote:Originally posted by WarrenSpahn:
There is no call to denigrate anyone for having an opinion.
please alert the moderators when this happens.
I'd still like you to do me the favor of checking for me if those thoughts of yours hold any merit. It would be appreciated. If you need help, let me know.
quote:He's seeing the ball well enough to walk a lot. .
I see where you can come to that conclusion, but I just can't agree. I think Weeks is up there guessing.. He looks downright lost at times swinging at pitches way out of the zone or way out in front.
I have no idea how he gets his walks, but I can't buy that he is seeing the ball well after watching him swing and miss by a foot.
The guy is a mystery.
I've seen suggestions to bat him 8th. I think if that were to happen, he would walk even more. The guy takes a lot of pitches, and in front of the pitcher I could see that walk rate going up like crazy.
I do agree he appears off balance. When his is hitting the best, those home runs jump of his bat effortlessly. When he overswings, he gets really suckered into that low and away pitch and seems to lunge.
Weeks Bapip is .263. That is 19 points below all of last year, and 41 points below the back of his baseball card. Is that all bad luck? Considering how most of last year went, its not look like that so much. The injury was the excuse last year, but he is supposedly healthy this year.
I do agree he appears off balance. When his is hitting the best, those home runs jump of his bat effortlessly. When he overswings, he gets really suckered into that low and away pitch and seems to lunge.
Weeks Bapip is .263. That is 19 points below all of last year, and 41 points below the back of his baseball card. Is that all bad luck? Considering how most of last year went, its not look like that so much. The injury was the excuse last year, but he is supposedly healthy this year.
quote:and 41 points below the back of his baseball card. Is that all bad luck? Considering how most of last year went, its not look like that so much. The injury was the excuse last year, but he is supposedly healthy this year.
Weeks is a guy who has depended on his natural gifts and athleticism throughout his career. He is on the wrong side of 30 now and he has bulked up to a point now where I believe it is hampering and has ruined his career.
He has unbelievable wrists and amazing bat speed, but he has not ever brought that brain into his play. Bulking up unreasonably and focusing on power hurt his game. He went from being a true contact hitter as a top prospect coming out of college to a .260 (maybe) hitter with some pop during his prime. Now that he is likely regressing I think we are on the cusp of a couple .220 seasons. He's done as a starter IMO - and needs to not reach that 1200 PA plateau over the next 2 years to get vested for '15
Rickie's one redeeming quality right now is his ability to draw walks. He's a defensive liability. He has not hit for power, and he's not been producing runs. In the clutch, he's terrible.
Here are his 2013 splits with runners in scoring position:
42 of his 136 total plate appearances have come with a runner in scoring position. In those at bats, he is batting .094 with 1 home run and 8 RBI. His BAbip in these situations is .105, and his OPS is .528. He has walked 10 times in 42 plate appearances, for a .310 OBP. Considering how terrible his average is, that's not a bad OBP. The problem is that for the majority of the 2013 season, he's been batting 4th or 5th, and his job here is not to get on base, but to drive in runs.
Looking at how Rickie Weeks has performed in high leverage situations best demonstrates just how awful he has been thus far in 2013:
Per baseball-reference.com:
Leverage Index
Within a game, there are plays that are more pivotal than others. We attempt to quantify these plays with a stat called leverage index (LI). LI looks at the possible changes in win probability in a give situation and situations where dramatic swings in win probability are possible (runner on second late in a tie game) have higher LI's than situations where there can be no large change in win probability (late innings of a 12-run blowout).
The stat is normalized so that on average the leverage is 1.00. In tense situations, the leverage is higher than 1.00 (up to about 10) and in low-tension situations the leverage is between 0 and 1.0.
Here are his 2013 splits with runners in scoring position:
42 of his 136 total plate appearances have come with a runner in scoring position. In those at bats, he is batting .094 with 1 home run and 8 RBI. His BAbip in these situations is .105, and his OPS is .528. He has walked 10 times in 42 plate appearances, for a .310 OBP. Considering how terrible his average is, that's not a bad OBP. The problem is that for the majority of the 2013 season, he's been batting 4th or 5th, and his job here is not to get on base, but to drive in runs.
Looking at how Rickie Weeks has performed in high leverage situations best demonstrates just how awful he has been thus far in 2013:
Per baseball-reference.com:
Leverage Index
Within a game, there are plays that are more pivotal than others. We attempt to quantify these plays with a stat called leverage index (LI). LI looks at the possible changes in win probability in a give situation and situations where dramatic swings in win probability are possible (runner on second late in a tie game) have higher LI's than situations where there can be no large change in win probability (late innings of a 12-run blowout).
The stat is normalized so that on average the leverage is 1.00. In tense situations, the leverage is higher than 1.00 (up to about 10) and in low-tension situations the leverage is between 0 and 1.0.
Just as a point of comparison, the leverage index of other players:
Ryan Braun
Jonathan Lucroy
Carlos Gomez
Though Jonathan Lucroy has had a subpar season, in high leverage situations, he's been money.
Ryan Braun can always be counted on in high leverage situations.
Ryan Braun
Jonathan Lucroy
Carlos Gomez
Though Jonathan Lucroy has had a subpar season, in high leverage situations, he's been money.
Ryan Braun can always be counted on in high leverage situations.
Scooter Gennett says hi:
Hitting .340 and holds a .984 Fielding %
Hitting .340 and holds a .984 Fielding %
Scooter Gennett has been playing well. He's about the only guy that is in Nashville.
Hunter Morris and Khris Davis have been almost as brutal as Rickie Weeks. Tyler Thornburg isn't exactly playing well either.
Hunter Morris and Khris Davis have been almost as brutal as Rickie Weeks. Tyler Thornburg isn't exactly playing well either.
Those are great stats LambeauSouth - thanks for posting.
The amazing thing about Braun's high leverage stats is that for at least a portion of them, he's had Weeks hitting behind him. If I was an opposing manager up by more than one run in the late innings, I'd walk Braun with the bases loaded to get to Weeks.
The amazing thing about Braun's high leverage stats is that for at least a portion of them, he's had Weeks hitting behind him. If I was an opposing manager up by more than one run in the late innings, I'd walk Braun with the bases loaded to get to Weeks.
Here's the biggest problem with Rickie Weeks.
He's not what you all want him to be. But, he never has been.
I guess you all are dreaming of his .495 and .500 averages playing for Southern University in 2002 and 2003, in a weak conference, and vs poor competition.
He's never been anything but a .260/.350/.425/.750 guy since becoming a pro. Even in the minors. He's never been a .300 hitter in professional baseball - save a 55 game stint in Nashville. He's never been a contact hitter in professional baseball. It's not like he raked in the minors or he raked for the first 3 years of his career and has fallen off dramatically.
Did we all envision him to be hitting .320+ after going .500 in college? Sure, but clearly, the level of competition drastically impacted that 2 year run in college.
Last year plus the start of this year he has been worse, sure. But, it's worse compared to middling stats. Worse compared to .260/.350/.425/.750. But, not compared to .300/.400/.500/.900
So, yeah, he's been bad - but he's never ever been anything but a very average offensive player at best. This isn't Pujols going from amazing to OMG. This is going from "Meh" to "bleh"
He's not what you all want him to be. But, he never has been.
I guess you all are dreaming of his .495 and .500 averages playing for Southern University in 2002 and 2003, in a weak conference, and vs poor competition.
He's never been anything but a .260/.350/.425/.750 guy since becoming a pro. Even in the minors. He's never been a .300 hitter in professional baseball - save a 55 game stint in Nashville. He's never been a contact hitter in professional baseball. It's not like he raked in the minors or he raked for the first 3 years of his career and has fallen off dramatically.
Did we all envision him to be hitting .320+ after going .500 in college? Sure, but clearly, the level of competition drastically impacted that 2 year run in college.
Last year plus the start of this year he has been worse, sure. But, it's worse compared to middling stats. Worse compared to .260/.350/.425/.750. But, not compared to .300/.400/.500/.900
So, yeah, he's been bad - but he's never ever been anything but a very average offensive player at best. This isn't Pujols going from amazing to OMG. This is going from "Meh" to "bleh"
quote:Originally posted by CAPackFan95:
Here's the biggest problem with Rickie Weeks.
He's not what you all want him to be. But, he never has been.
Blah, blah, blah.
So, yeah, he's been bad - but he's never ever been anything but a very average offensive player at best. This isn't Pujols going from amazing to OMG. This is going from "Meh" to "bleh"
Yeah, that's my point.
He has been paid to come out of the cocoon that Go-Go seems to have done, it ain't gonna happen.
Cut the cord as soon as possible is all I'm saying.
Crew won the strike out battle though, only had 7 to Cincy's 11.
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Recalled second base prospect Scooter Gennett from Triple-A Nashville in the most notable portion of the shake-up. Gennett, 23, was batting .297 in the Minors and may not be the sort of player who want to stash on the bench. This could be significant for the still-slumping Rickie Weeks.
Agon also cut
Recalled second base prospect Scooter Gennett from Triple-A Nashville in the most notable portion of the shake-up. Gennett, 23, was batting .297 in the Minors and may not be the sort of player who want to stash on the bench. This could be significant for the still-slumping Rickie Weeks.
Agon also cut
quote:Originally posted by El-Ka-Bong: This could be significant for the still-slumping Rickie Weeks.[/i]
Adam McCalvy I suppose Weeks could hit 4 HRs tonight and change RRR's mind, but plan is for Scooter to make first MLB start Tuesday vs. RHP Griffin.
Good news. Perfect situation for a platoon at 2B...