It's Giants Week

Boris posted:

Isn't this thread about the upcoming game vs. Giants??

The Red & Mold debacle at the Big Zipper is a couple threads over.

I have NFI what to think about this team anymore. Which team shows up on Sunday? The one that played the Vikings, Cowboys, Chiefs & Raiders? Or the one that played the Chargers & Niners?

At least the game is not in California.  That's a plus.  

packerboi posted:

Boris posted:

The Packers...after a bye week were 100% unprepared to play. 

That is strictly 100% on the head coach. Rookie HC or not, that's the kind of shit that gets you terminated if you've been at a place a couple years. 

Which team shows up this week? Jekyll or Hyde?

MLF's biggest responsibility moving forward is to get Rodgers to stop locking in on Adams and get Aaron Jones involved in the passing game and AT LEAST 20-25 touches per game. He is simply too talented for anything less.

Last week:

Adams targeted 12 times.

Jones: 0.

That's unacceptable.

 

Absolutely agree.  

The guy in the 1950's hat commits pass interference and it doesn't count because he wasn't a designated player.

I'm all for getting Adams his share. But only after the defense is forced to honor other people on the field. If you establish Jones, Williams, MVS, Lazard, Graham you will be able to spend the entire second half busting out Davante. My fear is as long as 17 is on the field, Rodgers continually picking the wrong sequence and forcing the issue.

Packdog posted:

Guessing Savage and Amos bit hard on crossers and left the middle vacant. 

King didn't have middle responsibility that's for sure. 

Dom Pettine Defensive Special !! 

They probably thought they had help over the top from the NBC Peacock.

GBFanForLife posted:

This team won games without Adams and the same TE's. The constant bitching about the receivers is bullshit 

No.  It's not.  Maybe they can beat mediocre corners.  They obviously can't get separation vs better corners.  Better than mediocre.  Find me one legitimate analyst that thinks what we have at WR after Adam's is even adequate.

Yeah, this is a pretty bad WR corp.  Having a guy flash occasionally means shit.  They need consistent play regardless of the guy's speed, experience, blah, blah.  Play solid ball on a consistent basis.

This game (like most others) will be about lessons learned, corrected and execution of the game plan. The Packers are a very good team with flaws. Nobody expected that we would win as many games as we have. There have been growing pains and breakdowns but I do think that we can win against the Giants.

Yep.  1st year/time HC and 2nd year DC with a replenishing of talent in process.  It doesn't excuse shitty performances.  This is where you see if the coaches adapt and progress instead of going stale. 

Mayo is already talking about shifting the oline instead of sticking with Light at RT, something we haven't seen since 2014. 

This is how we learn.  Prove you're learning Packers coaching staff.

Prove & IMprove

DH13 posted:

GBFanForLife posted:

This team won games without Adams and the same TE's. The constant bitching about the receivers is bullshit 

No.  It's not.  Maybe they can beat mediocre corners.  They obviously can't get separation vs better corners.  Better than mediocre.  Find me one legitimate analyst that thinks what we have at WR after Adam's is even adequate.

They are a subpar group. But when Adams was out, Rodgers was forced to use them all including the rbs and the offense was as good as it's looked all year. I think this problem is between 12's ears and he's the only one that can right the ship.

Henry posted:

Packdog posted:

Guessing Savage and Amos bit hard on crossers and left the middle vacant. 

King didn't have middle responsibility that's for sure. 

Dom Pettine Defensive Special !! 

They probably thought they had help over the top from the NBC Peacock.

Great line. 🤣

The Packers were very fortunate to play against some terrible defenses while 17 was out. Had they played SF during that stretch, the offense might not have moved forward all game.

Disagree. Bulaga going out is what ruined the game plan. 

This thread is about the Giants.

Packers......worst 8-3 team in NFL history.

That's 100 years folks.

Boris posted:

Disagree. Bulaga going out is what ruined the game plan. 

This thread is about the Giants.

Packers......worst 8-3 team in NFL history.

That's 100 years folks.

Bulaga was also dinged up during the Chargers game. I like that Gute and MLF went out and are looking at several other options after they determined that Alex Light wasn't at the level they needed. We saw several years of MM and TT/Gute settling for Jason Spriggs. 

I'm sure the Bears or Vikings were 8-3 and *much* worse.

artis posted:

DH13 posted:

GBFanForLife posted:

This team won games without Adams and the same TE's. The constant bitching about the receivers is bullshit 

No.  It's not.  Maybe they can beat mediocre corners.  They obviously can't get separation vs better corners.  Better than mediocre.  Find me one legitimate analyst that thinks what we have at WR after Adam's is even adequate.

They are a subpar group. But when Adams was out, Rodgers was forced to use them all including the rbs and the offense was as good as it's looked all year. I think this problem is between 12's ears and he's the only one that can right the ship.

No, Mayo and Rodgers were using the WRB position MUCH more than any of those receivers period.  I take your point but going to Adams in the passing game just makes flat out sense with these receivers.  Lazard, who looked the best by far, was telling Rodgers what routes he could run.  That's not sustainable.  I completely agree of having the WRB position negated though.

MichiganPacker2 posted:

Boris posted:

Disagree. Bulaga going out is what ruined the game plan. 

This thread is about the Giants.

Packers......worst 8-3 team in NFL history.

That's 100 years folks.

Bulaga was also dinged up during the Chargers game. I like that Gute and MLF went out and are looking at several other options after they determined that Alex Light wasn't at the level they needed. We saw several years of MM and TT/Gute settling for Jason Spriggs. 

Looks like Buluga is already practicing.  Signing Veldheer is still at great move if only for adding to depth. 

Boris posted:

Disagree. Bulaga going out is what ruined the game plan. 

This thread is about the Giants.

Packers......worst 8-3 team in NFL history.

That's 100 years folks.

The game plan is what ruined the game plan. 

That too.

Henry posted:

artis posted:

DH13 posted:

GBFanForLife posted:

This team won games without Adams and the same TE's. The constant bitching about the receivers is bullshit 

No.  It's not.  Maybe they can beat mediocre corners.  They obviously can't get separation vs better corners.  Better than mediocre.  Find me one legitimate analyst that thinks what we have at WR after Adam's is even adequate.

They are a subpar group. But when Adams was out, Rodgers was forced to use them all including the rbs and the offense was as good as it's looked all year. I think this problem is between 12's ears and he's the only one that can right the ship.

No, Mayo and Rodgers were using the WRB position MUCH more than any of those receivers period.  I take your point but going to Adams in the passing game just makes flat out sense with these receivers.  Lazard, who looked the best by far, was telling Rodgers what routes he could run.  That's not sustainable.  I completely agree of having the WRB position negated though.

Can't dispute that take, except during that stretch each guy was responsible for one or two substantial catches. Rodgers found GMO twice a game on the quick crossing route. MVS, Graham, Kumerow were good for 2 or 3 catches in a game. Even Lewis made a couple big plays. Lazard was able to be utilized in creative ways. It does stem from the RBs being involved in the passing game, but it led to those wideouts contributing just enough to balance the whole thing. When AR knows he has Adams on the field, those progressions aren't worked like they had been when the superstar was out. It doesn't mean they can't exploit defenses with Adams. But defenses need to be forced to worry about other options. Too many throws the last 3 weeks were Adams go routes that never had a chance. Those wasted downs were previously used with Jones and Jamaal creating 2nd or 3rd and short. To work, the offense absolutely needs to be ahead of the sticks consistently. Now none of it works if your line is getting blown up, but the formula is proven to work against most defenses that aren't SF.

With more quick passes your line won't get blown up.  It's the deep go routes to Adams that are the problem. 

heyward posted:

Boris posted:

Disagree. Bulaga going out is what ruined the game plan. 

This thread is about the Giants.

Packers......worst 8-3 team in NFL history.

That's 100 years folks.

The game plan is what ruined the game plan. 

My take is that the Niners were and are the better team. A better game plan might have helped but they are simply a better team. The Giants are not.

AMMO, I have often thought that Adams would excel in the slot. The Packers have not had a deep threat in some time. MVS could have been that guy but for some reason the timing between him and Rodgers is off. Every other WR is a big bodied possession receiver.

Adams is already used in the slot.  The lower WRs were effective against crappy secondaries.  It's that simple.

DH13 posted:

Adams is already used in the slot.  The lower WRs were effective against crappy secondaries.  It's that simple.

And with front 4s that weren't whipping our OL. 

PackerPatrick posted:

heyward posted:

Boris posted:

Disagree. Bulaga going out is what ruined the game plan. 

This thread is about the Giants.

Packers......worst 8-3 team in NFL history.

That's 100 years folks.

The game plan is what ruined the game plan. 

My take is that the Niners were and are the better team. A better game plan might have helped but they are simply a better team. The Giants are not.

The Niners were the better team, but the Packers and their 8-3 record aren’t as bad as they looked Sunday night, and there’s plenty of season left to play. 

I seem to remember the Falcons making the Packers look bad in the 2010 regular season, but the Packers were a different team as they limped into the playoffs...and the Falcons found that out the hard way. 

Take care of business over the next few weeks and get into the playoffs.  We have a rookie head coach who is still trying to figure things out, a QB who we all know can play at the highest level and a defense that has shown signs of being legit.  I’m not exactly a cup-half-full kinda guy, but I’m holding out hope for this season. 

And for Gods sake somebody knock Scott upside his head and tell him to pull his head out of his a$$!

bdplant posted:

PackerPatrick posted:

heyward posted:

Boris posted:

Disagree. Bulaga going out is what ruined the game plan. 

This thread is about the Giants.

Packers......worst 8-3 team in NFL history.

That's 100 years folks.

The game plan is what ruined the game plan. 

My take is that the Niners were and are the better team. A better game plan might have helped but they are simply a better team. The Giants are not.

The Niners were the better team, but the Packers and their 8-3 record aren’t as bad as they looked Sunday night, and there’s plenty of season left to play. 

I seem to remember the Falcons making the Packers look bad in the 2010 regular season, but the Packers were a different team as they limped into the playoffs...and the Falcons found that out the hard way. 

Take care of business over the next few weeks and get into the playoffs.  We have a rookie head coach who is still trying to figure things out, a QB who has already shown that he can be elite, and a defense that has shown signs of being legit.  I’m not exactly a cup-half-full kinda guy, but I’m holding out hope for this season. 

The 2010 game in the regular season vs Atlanta was very competitive and came down to the wire. It wasn’t complete domination and embarrassment like our performance against SF was. I’ve been saying it all year- I don’t  see this team being competitive in the playoffs with their shit defense. Hope I’m wrong. And no SF isn’t 37-8 better than us but they are still MUCH better than us . 

I seem to have mis-remembered the 2010 regular season Falcons game. My bad...a few cocktails will do that to a fella. 

I’m still holding out hope for MLF’s team this year...it’s better than the alternative.  

At least the Cowboys still suck. And so do the Lions. 

bdplant posted:

I seem to have mis-remembered the 2010 regular season Falcons game. My bad...a few cocktails will do that to a fella. 

I’m still holding out hope for MLF’s team this year...it’s better than the alternative.  

At least the Cowboys still suck. And so do the Lions. 

Jordy caught a bullet from AR late to tie the game. Still one of the best plays I've ever seen those guys make.

G-Men down their #1 TE, WR, and Safety.

Injury updates: The #Steelers ruled out WR Juju Smith-Schuster (knee) for Sunday, while RB James Conner (shoulder) is doubtful. … #Chiefs RB Damien Williams (ribs) is out Sunday. … #Giants ruled out TE Evan Engram (foot), S Jabrill Peppers (back) and WR Golden Tate (concussion)

— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) November 29, 2019

They key for Bryan Bulaga's availability on Sunday against the Giants will be how his right knee feels between now and game day. "A lot of times the soreness doesn't show up for another day," coach Matt LaFleur said. The expectation is that Bulaga will... https://t.co/B4AONkgPNS

— Rob Demovsky (@RobDemovsky) November 29, 2019

#Packers listed Bryan Bulaga as questionable. 80 percent of the team's "questionable" designations this season have gone on to play in the game, so Bulaga probably has a great shot at playing Sunday vs. Giants.

— Zach Kruse (@zachkruse2) November 29, 2019

Tony Brown and Will Redmond also listed as questionable.

packerboi posted:

Boris posted:

The Packers...after a bye week were 100% unprepared to play. 

That is strictly 100% on the head coach. Rookie HC or not, that's the kind of shit that gets you terminated if you've been at a place a couple years. 

Which team shows up this week? Jekyll or Hyde?

MLF's biggest responsibility moving forward is to get Rodgers to stop locking in on Adams and get Aaron Jones involved in the passing game and AT LEAST 20-25 touches per game. He is simply too talented for anything less.

Last week:

Adams targeted 12 times.

Jones: 0.

That's unacceptable.

 

SF was putting DB's on Jones instead of LB's, which is why he wasn't targeted.  Teams had been putting LB's on Jones and is why he was torching them.  SF made the adjustment and it worked.  Another reason we were out-coached in that game.

Certainly the Giants have tape and noticed it too.  So we'll see how MLF adjusts this week.

I thought other teams did this and when they went light we ran with Williams and he had a big game. Am I wrong on that?

SF's d-line & MLBer were so dominant that they could play this way and we couldn't counter. In addition in both AR & Lafleur's pressers they alluded to SF surprising them by playing mostly man pass coverage rather than zone. 

 they alluded to SF surprising them by playing mostly man pass coverage rather than zone. 

Very Bellichick like....

Not sure why they would be surprised by SF playing man considering SF's Dline.  You can man up pretty easily if dlinemen are crashing the gates that hard.  I get you want confidence in your oline but a reality check after watching film would've made sense.

Jimmy Graham is questionable with any luck other TEs will get his snaps

A deeply flawed one and done year.

So....lose first game in the playoffs? Is that what you're saying?

Just trying to keep up on today's narrative.