Lions Pos/Neg Thread

+ The score actually made it look closer than it was.

Yeah, that's about it.

Carlson. Maybe there's that.

+ Got a few weeks off to figure this out

- This coaching staff has a few weeks off to figure this out

POS: Walker and Doubs.  That's the fucking list.  Everybody else sucked.  

Richie Rich is getting paid way too much, has gotten damn near every player he’s asked for, to have his ST’s suck this bad. Jesus, Slocum could produce these results.

LaFleur crying in an interview coming out of halftime is the epitome of soft/embarrassing.

Barry once again can’t figure out how to stop the run. It’s been years and years now.

Young Jordan Love deserves better.

@packerboi posted:

Richie Rich is getting paid way too much, has gotten damn near every player he’s asked for, to have his ST’s suck this bad. Jesus, Slocum could produce these results.

LaFleur crying in an interview coming out of halftime is the epitome of soft/embarrassing.

Barry once again can’t figure out how to stop the run. It’s been years and years now.

Young Jordan Love deserves better.

I missed it...  Was LaFluffer seriously crying or are you fucking with us?

There were some nice adjustments in the second half.
However, when your original game plan results in your team getting their asses handed to them on both sides of the ball, maybe you are overthinking things a tad.

The score is the least of their problems.  What we all saw tonight was not encouraging in any way.  Soft teams don't just change overnight.  It takes a cultural shift.  Physical and mental.  This team will always have problems with SF, NYJ, DET, TB, and any team with the same talent and fortitude unless their own talent just grossly outweighs them.  Good luck!

I know that coaches usually take the fall for shit like this, so I'm not trying to play into that, but I'm telling you that MLF is not the person for this job. I don't have have links, stats, and photographic evidence to prove this, but what I do have is an unending list of big games in his tenure that he has shown he doesn't have this team ready for. This is going back to their first NFCCG and including tonight. The fact that he's been out-coached is superseded by the fact his teams have been at a disadvantage going into the game.
His unwillingness to move on from Barry has been too well documented on here for me to say anything else. Rodgers needed to go, but he covered a lot of deficiencies that are now more apparent. I feel bad for Love because I actually think he's a great talent that might be wasted by his overmatched coach.

I missed it. He actually cried??

Quay Walker with a penalty that lead to Detroit’s last touchdown. Dude needs to learn to quit shooting his own team in the foot!

@Pakrz posted:

I missed it...  Was LaFluffer seriously crying or are you fucking with us?

Thought the same thing when I saw it. He came across as emotional. It was weird.

- Pepe LaFleur.  I mean, unless the game plan was to get your asses handed to you in every facet of the game, at home, in primetime...what I saw today was pretty much garbage.  Have never been a fan of his decision making or clock management in pressure situations...but the dude was flat out, out coached and didn't have this team prepared.

-Dingle Barry.  I mean, unless the goal is to challenge yourself to get a stop with your defenders playing beyond the sticks this guy's game plans are almost always garbage.

-Douglas.  Feel free to tackle

-Savage.  See above

-Running game.  I mean, if you need 2 Dillon will probably get you 1/2 a yard.

-Love must have watched too much #12 tape cause when you have defenders in the backfield every play you can't be hanging on to the ball.

-Oline.  Oof

-Nixon.  Dude, stop running it out if you can't get to the 25.

+Walker.  Besides the penalty, he was making tackles everywhere.

+Carlson.  Dude is sure to have his moments, but he looks like he's going to be solid.

+Whelan.  He punted well.

And too, smash mouth football plays well on a short week.
Actually, it plays well anytime, but definitely on a short week.

What I mean to say is that MLF is a puss. He needs to go before they waste Love and rest of this talented team.

@Pakrz posted:

I missed it...  Was LaFluffer seriously crying or are you fucking with us?

Interview

@Pakrz posted:

I missed it...  Was LaFluffer seriously crying or are you fucking with us?

📍Whambeau Field pic.twitter.com/XA0AwygbdA

— Bart Winkler (@WinksThinks) September 29, 2023

@titmfatied posted:

Interview

Jesus fuck.  Beta indeed.

@DH13 posted:

The score is the least of their problems.  What we all saw tonight was not encouraging in any way.  Soft teams don't just change overnight.  It takes a cultural shift.  Physical and mental.  This team will always have problems with SF, NYJ, DET, TB, and any team with the same talent and fortitude unless their own talent just grossly outweighs them.  Good luck!

Yup..  MLF is not the guy.   He lacks that killer edge.  It’s hard to verbalize, but we see it.  

He didn’t have the stones to fire Barry. He didn’t have the stones to fire the Teams coordinator.   We always show up looking scared instead of amped in big games.

He’s not an alpha. 😀

Negs:

Offensive Line really got worked over without Jenkins and of course Bahk who we may never see again. We are in real trouble there until Jenkins gets healthy.

I expected that the post Rodgers era would  be a run dominated offense.  The problem is, our running game is awful right now and the passing game has too many raw inexperienced elements to it to make up for it.

Anyone that came into this season hoping that maybe the defense could carry the team while the young offense figures things out… forget it.  We will never see that kind of defense here until as an organization we get serious about it.  That goes from Gute drafting projects lacking football instincts and also LaFleur deciding that a guy who once coached the Detroit Lions to the #32 defense in the NFL would be the right guy to “fix” our defensive issues.

He needs a few massages and fries in his sandwich.

Running game is awful? When did they run the ball?

Neg:

Detroit isn't that good.

LIVE: Head Coach Matt LaFleur meets with the media following #DETvsGB 🎙️ https://t.co/qqI9X9wawQ

— Green Bay Packers (@packers) September 29, 2023

@GBFanForLife posted:

Running game is awful? When did they run the ball?

Lions had 211 yards rushing.

Packers had 27. With Aaron Jones .

No words  

Paws

+ I thought Love played well with what he had to work with. I’m not in the camp that expected Love to be good.  I thought he sucked and hated the pick.   I’ve been impressed, including  tonight.   What does Stroud or any other rookie accomplish tonight at QB for the Packers?

+ Walker is playing way better than his rookie year.  Aggressive and fast.  I hope the mental. Istake doesn’t slow him down on D.

+ Reed is legit.  These young WRs are promising.  Not many opportunities to shine tonight because the o line is hot garbage.  

Negs

- Gute not having a capable o line in place for his young QB.   This is how talent gets ruined.  

- MLF is a beta bitch.

- Joe Barry.  Enough said.

They're in a cycle of drafting athletes over football players. Eventually they go back to drafting football players and then we all complain about team speed and eventually they realize that and go back to athletes, rinse and repeat.

@GBFanForLife posted:

Running game is awful? When did they run the ball?

That’s fair to say, they certainly should have tried it more early in the game.  They weren’t good though overall.  Maybe they just decided Aaron Jones wasn’t ready to get heavy work.

NEGATIVES:

-Barry

-Kenny Clark (invisible)

-Savage

-Walker (penalty)

-Runyon

-Dillon

-MATT LAFLEUR

-Nixon (return game is broken)

POSITIVES:

Carlson

——Aaron Jones first touched the ball when the score was already 24-3.  Great game plan.

Maybe MLF is still trying to get the players to rise above the coaching.

Well, it was a total team loss - all three phases blew ass.

It's hard for a defense when the offense can't move the ball the entire first half.  But Barry's soft defense doesn't help.  He sucks at calling a defense.

MLF was crying like a bitch.  Makes sense when you see his hat he wore tonight and his eyebrows.  GTFOH softie, and take you buddy Barry with you.

This is not about a young team taking its lumps and learning.  It's about a lack of talent on the O-line, a coach who won't use his best player in Jones, a coach who keeps possibly the worst DC in the league besides Vance Joseph, and who looks lost without his OC AR.

I wouldn't be mad if they drafted O-linemen with all of their picks.  Dump Bak and Jenkins (injury prone), try to get more draft picks.

Not sure how I feel about snap counts in a game this big. If anything use them early at least and see if you need to dial it back later in the game. Everyone should be full go by the Raider game I'd hope.

Neg: The young guys started thinking things were a little easier than they actually are, and that falls on the HC as well. When they scored and Love pointed to his name, that was pitiful at that point in the game.

Neg: MLF cannot adapt to what's happening in real-time. The OL is getting whupped and he was still calling for passes that took longer to develop than the OL could hold them off. Quick hits? Slants? WR screens? Jet sweeps? Chip blocks? Go sideline to sideline? Where were those? He didn't help Love one bit.

Neg: Our dearly departed good friend Betty White could have run through some of those lanes Montgomery had. Quay had a heckuva game and all we'll recall is his jumping over the lineman.

Pos: Quay was all over bringing guys down. Love's throw to Reed that shouldn't have counted. Doubs is going to be better than we think. (His release leaves DBs grabbing at him and getting air as he goes by; he doesn't have the speed to outrun everyone, but he's free right off the line.) Even while getting hit in the mouth again and again, I don't think anyone rolled over until the very last Lions drive.

Reality: We knew, or should have, that this young team with a first-time QB1 was going to go through growing pains and there would be games like this. Everyone hoped differently after the first three games, but that was a mirage. Now, let's see how they respond to getting their asses kicked in front of everyone. I'm not disappointed yet, but I really want to see growth.

@titmfatied posted:

MLF Presser

Showed some alpha.  

Someone put up a stat just before I turned off the tv that Love has hit on only 23% of his passes when under pressure (40 pass minimum)? If that's true, Clements -- and Love -- have a lot more work to do...