Jason Spitz eat your heart out
I only wish they were able to get Schwenke
Jason Spitz eat your heart out
Jason Spitz eat your heart out
I'm going to guess jersey numbers:
Tretter - 63
Franklin - 34
Hyde - 25
Boyd - 93
Palmer - 58
Johnson - 83
Dorsey - 17
Barrington - 51
Tretter - 63
Franklin - 34
Hyde - 25
Boyd - 93
Palmer - 58
Johnson - 83
Dorsey - 17
Barrington - 51
quote:Originally posted by sschumer:
I do like what Thompson did overall. How well do you guys think he did in getting this team bigger/tougher? At first, I thought he might go Sylvester Williams and John Jenkins 1/2. A line of Raji, Jenkins/Pickett and Williams would be big, young, talented and very tough to run on, stand up well against SF's huge OL. Seems though instead his priority was to get another DL that can run (defend the read option) and offer pass rush -- like Neal, Worthy (when he comes back) and Daniels -- and grab a starting RB that was big/tough (Lacy, Ball or Bell). Assuming that was his logic, hard to argue with. What's your take?
Maybe good explanation of why Jones over Sylvester Williams:
http://www.packers.com/news-an...85-8b32-5a2c3243a364
Great article, I'm even more excited about Jones after reading it. It will be a huge upgrade to have Wilson as a back-up/rotational player instead of a starter.
quote:Originally posted by LarseeBear:
Lowest draft grade I've seen so far is B+. Let's kick some ass to the SB shall we?
Pete Prisco at CBS sports gave the Packers a C-, tied with San Diego for his lowest grade. He apparently dislikes drafting more than 1 running back per year.
I bet a lot of those graders also liked the drafts of the Giants, Ravens, 49ers, Steelers, and Patriots. If you're in the business of guessing the future right you go with the safe bets.
quote:Originally posted by grignon:quote:Originally posted by LarseeBear:
Lowest draft grade I've seen so far is B+. Let's kick some ass to the SB shall we?
Pete Prisco at CBS sports gave the Packers a C-, tied with San Diego for his lowest grade. He apparently dislikes drafting more than 1 running back per year.
Prisco is usually clueless.
Wasn't he the reporter on the high horse about how good the replacement refs were last year? Would-not-let-it-go if I'm remembering right. A number of the national media guys were breaking his balls for a while over that.
Johnson intrigues me a lot. He's big, he's fast, and he's athletic. If he can catch the ball, he'll stick. He could open up the outside opposite Jordy, letting Cobb work short and Jones intermediate. Cobb would be unstoppable with more room to roam. If Finley proves once again that he can catch the ball, he could break some big ones. And if either RB can give us more than what we currently have -- which is more than doable -- our offense could extend a lot more drives and even score inside the 5 without Rodgers throwing it three times. We could be almost unstoppable on offense with these weapons.
I'm sold on Jones on D, but I'm a bit worried we're still thin at LB when stopping the run or the option to our left side. Hopefully, Bishop comes back better than ever. Our rush from Jones and CMIII could be devastating, but it could go for naught if we don't find someone to shore up the opposite side.
All in all, a pretty good haul by TT even if a couple don't stick. He's awesome!
I'm sold on Jones on D, but I'm a bit worried we're still thin at LB when stopping the run or the option to our left side. Hopefully, Bishop comes back better than ever. Our rush from Jones and CMIII could be devastating, but it could go for naught if we don't find someone to shore up the opposite side.
All in all, a pretty good haul by TT even if a couple don't stick. He's awesome!
Also if Rodgers is a little more accurate down field they can crank open some leads and let the defense get after the QB. They missed on a bunch of those last year.
Okay, you've convinced me Tretter may be a decent pick and a future center. Smart, tough... I like.
Now convince me Boyd was worth taking in the 5th, if at all. I just watched five minutes of highlights of him and he never moved three inches across the line of scrimmage, never made a tackle and was never within five feet of a ballcarrier.
Do we really believe that he graded higher on Ted's board than Rambo, Quissenbery or Swope. I guess, but I think this pick puts the lie to BPA. There were few DT's taken after Boyd so I think Ted may have decided to take the last decent one, except I don't think he makes the team. He won't beat out Daytone, Raji, Picket, Neal, Daniels, Worthy or even C.J. Wilson. I realize Worthy may be on PUP but still there are enough on the DL without him. And that's not even taking into account Jolly.
Hope I'm wrong, but this looks like a wasted pick. We're getting raves for Jones, and the two backs, the OT and the 7th round WR Johnson, and I personally really like the two late round LB's...
... so make me believe that Boyd was worth more than Rambo, Swopes or Quissenberry. I want to believe.
Now convince me Boyd was worth taking in the 5th, if at all. I just watched five minutes of highlights of him and he never moved three inches across the line of scrimmage, never made a tackle and was never within five feet of a ballcarrier.
Do we really believe that he graded higher on Ted's board than Rambo, Quissenbery or Swope. I guess, but I think this pick puts the lie to BPA. There were few DT's taken after Boyd so I think Ted may have decided to take the last decent one, except I don't think he makes the team. He won't beat out Daytone, Raji, Picket, Neal, Daniels, Worthy or even C.J. Wilson. I realize Worthy may be on PUP but still there are enough on the DL without him. And that's not even taking into account Jolly.
Hope I'm wrong, but this looks like a wasted pick. We're getting raves for Jones, and the two backs, the OT and the 7th round WR Johnson, and I personally really like the two late round LB's...
... so make me believe that Boyd was worth more than Rambo, Swopes or Quissenberry. I want to believe.
How about you take responsibility for yourself and quit crying.
I did take responsibility, I had an opinion. You don't. Grow up @#%wipe
Sharp as a bowling ball. Do you want cake now?
Read Boyd's thread. He's a cheaper version of CJ Wilson. CJ is gonna have to fight to stay on the 53
I'm not sure anyone on this board is qualified to make judgements about where a certain player might be on TT's big board based on youtube clips.
Boyd is bigger and more experienced than Mike Daniels and Daniels performed alright last year. I think Boyd is an excellent addition on the D line as a rotational player. He'll absorb blocks and double teams and help free up our ILB's.
Trust the GM.
Boyd is bigger and more experienced than Mike Daniels and Daniels performed alright last year. I think Boyd is an excellent addition on the D line as a rotational player. He'll absorb blocks and double teams and help free up our ILB's.
Trust the GM.
aren't about 90% of the dlinemen in the NFL bigger than daniels?
I'm also disappointed a bit about the o line selections. They're still going for the here, there, we think he can play anywhere athletic types and we're still going to have offensive line musical chairs in training camp. Was really hoping they'd find a brute guard that mauls people and a dedicated center, and start building out on a big line. As a group the oline held the team back more than any other unit last year and I'm not sure if the draft guys will be able to crack the lineup this year and help improve that.
Sad to say, but I think their greatest chance for improvement this year is Sherrod. His leg might have held him back but he should have the mental part down with as long as he's been here.
the worst thing that could happen is a fake out by newhouse where he looks great in training camp, wins the job and then is inconsistent once the games start.
I'm also disappointed a bit about the o line selections. They're still going for the here, there, we think he can play anywhere athletic types and we're still going to have offensive line musical chairs in training camp. Was really hoping they'd find a brute guard that mauls people and a dedicated center, and start building out on a big line. As a group the oline held the team back more than any other unit last year and I'm not sure if the draft guys will be able to crack the lineup this year and help improve that.
Sad to say, but I think their greatest chance for improvement this year is Sherrod. His leg might have held him back but he should have the mental part down with as long as he's been here.
the worst thing that could happen is a fake out by newhouse where he looks great in training camp, wins the job and then is inconsistent once the games start.
quote:Sad to say, but I think their greatest chance for improvement this year is Sherrod.
Don't forget the return of Bulaga.
quote:Originally posted by bubbleboy789:
I'm not sure anyone on this board is qualified to make judgements about where a certain player might be on TT's big board based on youtube clips.
Boyd is bigger and more experienced than Mike Daniels and Daniels performed alright last year. I think Boyd is an excellent addition on the D line as a rotational player. He'll absorb blocks and double teams and help free up our ILB's.
Trust the GM.
Exactly. Silly post by hud.
I agree with titmfatied and am concerned the OL will not improve much if at all this year. I hope Bulaga moves to LT and with the subtraction of Saturday there may be a little hope. I was just hoping TT was going to draft a G or C ready to start in week 1.
as far as the Oline, this is where we believe in the "development" part of draft and develop, right?
I hated seeing Frederick go to jerruh but did appreciate that once again that dumbass reached.
I hated seeing Frederick go to jerruh but did appreciate that once again that dumbass reached.
Real simple. Right now Boyd is the same player as CJ Wilson. Reading up on him he already is pretty effective in taking on double teams. He is lane filler, a run stopper. Trgovac believes they can beef him up and make him into a NT, which is needed with Pickett's age and the need of depth.
To sum up for those that need to be convinced because they are too whiney:
1) Boyd is Wilson right now. Wilson is what he is but isn't going to get much better but he serves a purpose in the run game.
2) Boyd has the potential to be transformed into a true block consuming NT. A position that needs depth.
Quit your whining.
To sum up for those that need to be convinced because they are too whiney:
1) Boyd is Wilson right now. Wilson is what he is but isn't going to get much better but he serves a purpose in the run game.
2) Boyd has the potential to be transformed into a true block consuming NT. A position that needs depth.
Quit your whining.
quote:Originally posted by titmfatied:
aren't about 90% of the dlinemen in the NFL bigger than daniels?
I'm also disappointed a bit about the o line selections. They're still going for the here, there, we think he can play anywhere athletic types and we're still going to have offensive line musical chairs in training camp. Was really hoping they'd find a brute guard that mauls people and a dedicated center, and start building out on a big line. As a group the oline held the team back more than any other unit last year and I'm not sure if the draft guys will be able to crack the lineup this year and help improve that.
Tretter is going in as Center. He is a smart, strong kid that will only get stronger. I firmly believe they took him to lock him into Center position. Does that mean we'll have to endure EDS? Yes. The oline picks this year were are much depth/development projects as anything. Just because a guy isn't starting day one doesn't make the picks less desirable (maybe a little but that's spoiled fan talk).
Again, everyone forgets the very unglamorous develop aspect. Wasn't everyone claiming Barclay should be the starting RT? Well now they are getting back Buluga and they have a couple of young guys from last year that have salted away some experience. I can't believe I'm saying this but even EDS getting plugged in last year will hopefully give some modicum of consistency to the line. I think there will be less shuffling than we all believe.
BPA is a very relative thing. No he wasn't the BPA on Kiper's board or McDouche's board or Mayock's board, but how do we know he wasn't the BPA on Ted Thompson's board? That's the only board that matters. So the 2 time Executive of the Year and the well renowned DLine coach for the Packers both say that Boyd is a good pick, yet TV yahoo Mel Kiper's board says other players were the BPAs and Kiper gets the benefit of the doubt? How does that make sense at all? No Thompson doesn't pick the BPA on Kiper's board, but I guarantee he picks the BPA on his board. So yes, he goes BPA every time.
Ted Thompson should be given the benefit of the doubt if he selects Larry, Curly and Moe to suit up for the Packers. The guy has the Packers as one of the top teams in the league year in and year out. He does his job better than every other GM out there.
To quote the Colts Bill Tobin way back when, "Who the Hell is Mel Kiper anyway? He has as much credibility as a football draft expert as my neighbor who is a postman. "
To quote the Colts Bill Tobin way back when, "Who the Hell is Mel Kiper anyway? He has as much credibility as a football draft expert as my neighbor who is a postman. "
quote:Originally posted by titmfatied:
I'm also disappointed a bit about the o line selections. They're still going for the here, there, we think he can play anywhere athletic types and we're still going to have offensive line musical chairs in training camp. Was really hoping they'd find a brute guard that mauls people and a dedicated center, and start building out on a big line.
Sad to say, but I think their greatest chance for improvement this year is Sherrod.
Most of the plug & play OL go at the top of the draft rounds and since GB never gets up there, they have to adjust their plans accordingly.
IF it makes you feel any better, the Chargers grabbed DJ Fluker, a plug & play mauler, but here in San Diego the fans are lamenting his pass pro deficiencies...
The Packers starting guards were both OTs in college, in the NFL they became very talented guards, so we've seen 2 proven transitions in GB
As for musical chairs, I think its OK in TC, that's the time to try new things so that when the **** hits the fan, you have some idea what's possible. Lang played 2 positions last year, EDS played 2 spots and GB rolled an UDFA into the RT spot and he managed to hold on...all of those were tested in TC.
Sherrod will upgrade the LT spot; new competition, development and training will upgrade the Center and having Bulaga back fixes the RT. That's where the 2013 OL will be better than the 2012 version that ended the year in a playoff loss
Ideally you draft top 15 for a few years so you get a shot at the sure things on the OL, but that's not the case with the perennially good Green Bay Packers
Sometimes you have to draft "lesser" players and focus on developing them.
That's the price of sustained success in the NFL
These are fun to read but slapping a grade on a draft the day or week following is like saying a baby fresh out of the womb is going to be a doctor one day.
quote:Originally posted by Orlando Wolf:
These are fun to read but slapping a grade on a draft the day or week following is like saying a baby fresh out of the womb is going to be a doctor one day.
Exactly!
Of course it is asnine to put any real legit grade on a draft a couple days after it has happened.
This was an odd draft overall and I am sure that Ted was more than shocked on who was available when they were... that being said, I really do like the measureables and video we have seen with some of our picks.
Jones - seems like a perfect fit, high aspirations, and great role models that he admires. Packer people. Gotta like it.
Lacy/Franklin - who knows? Definitely values at where they were picked. Both look great based on highlights and Franklin as a not-quite-so-much change-up. TT hedging bets or not, the Packer running game is on notice. These kids seem to have alot of 'it'. The question now is whether or not the game plan will have 'it'. In MM3 I trust.
Misc OL guys - Why not? Decent size, above average athletic ability, 'interchangeable' at positions on the OL, possibly a future C?, seems good to me!
Floyd/Hyde - Big guy and big hitter with ST talant. No problem with that in the later rounds.
D2 kid and kid with no QB - Here is where I am very curious. These are a couple of kids our scouts found. In TT's system I trust. Robinson in himself seems like a maybe 'oh my'. If either one, or both of these kids and learn the system and beat NFL level press coverage... with a running game and play action.. hell Jordy on one side and a kid on the other... PA to Lacy or Franklin? Could be embarassing for NFL DBs.
The rest - camp fodder or PS development type kids (or roster ST guys, you can never have enough LBs for STs) I am fine, thats what the late rounds are for, you never know when you find a diamond in the rough.
Overall I am extremely happy and excited. Judgement will of course have to wait. I am very very interested to see what/how MM3s gameplanning changes. Along with that, will ARodg feel confident enough to actually run the called running play instead of audibling out or vice-versa call one when one is not called.
Late July can't come soon enough!!
This was an odd draft overall and I am sure that Ted was more than shocked on who was available when they were... that being said, I really do like the measureables and video we have seen with some of our picks.
Jones - seems like a perfect fit, high aspirations, and great role models that he admires. Packer people. Gotta like it.
Lacy/Franklin - who knows? Definitely values at where they were picked. Both look great based on highlights and Franklin as a not-quite-so-much change-up. TT hedging bets or not, the Packer running game is on notice. These kids seem to have alot of 'it'. The question now is whether or not the game plan will have 'it'. In MM3 I trust.
Misc OL guys - Why not? Decent size, above average athletic ability, 'interchangeable' at positions on the OL, possibly a future C?, seems good to me!
Floyd/Hyde - Big guy and big hitter with ST talant. No problem with that in the later rounds.
D2 kid and kid with no QB - Here is where I am very curious. These are a couple of kids our scouts found. In TT's system I trust. Robinson in himself seems like a maybe 'oh my'. If either one, or both of these kids and learn the system and beat NFL level press coverage... with a running game and play action.. hell Jordy on one side and a kid on the other... PA to Lacy or Franklin? Could be embarassing for NFL DBs.
The rest - camp fodder or PS development type kids (or roster ST guys, you can never have enough LBs for STs) I am fine, thats what the late rounds are for, you never know when you find a diamond in the rough.
Overall I am extremely happy and excited. Judgement will of course have to wait. I am very very interested to see what/how MM3s gameplanning changes. Along with that, will ARodg feel confident enough to actually run the called running play instead of audibling out or vice-versa call one when one is not called.
Late July can't come soon enough!!
quote:These are fun to read but slapping a grade on a draft the day or week following is like saying a baby fresh out of the womb is going to be a doctor one day.
Not a doctor, but how about a quarterback instead?
If the Packer's offensive line is at least "good" (say like a B grade), I think the team is gonna kick serious butt.
quote:Originally posted by phaedrus:
If the Packer's offensive line can at least"good" (say like a B grade)keep Rodgers off the ground, I think the team is gonna kick serious butt.
FTFY
They're bringing in Tebow to play OL? levitation
No I think Tebow is brought in to play ILB to pusk Hawk 
I think that overall GB had a plan. They grabbed the two guys at the top of the draft with very good value that should contribute quickly baring injury.
Then TT went for depth/competition basically doubling up at each position of need to further the draft and develop mentality, picking guys with the size, strength and speed to man their respective positions with a nasty disposition to get tougher.
After the first round and a half I think GB thought alot of these guys were fairly equal and went for guys with the right size and speed for their positions that still have some room to improve instead of guys that have reached their football potential in college.Also most of these unknown picks were from smaller schools and they all have "good footwork" with room to develop
Guys in the mold of Collins , Nelson and such who have the size speed ratio for their respective positions.TT has been adding UDFA to the roster each year with this mentality and decided to do this in the later rounds of the draft to build up the draft and develop program.
I think that overall GB had a plan. They grabbed the two guys at the top of the draft with very good value that should contribute quickly baring injury.
Then TT went for depth/competition basically doubling up at each position of need to further the draft and develop mentality, picking guys with the size, strength and speed to man their respective positions with a nasty disposition to get tougher.
After the first round and a half I think GB thought alot of these guys were fairly equal and went for guys with the right size and speed for their positions that still have some room to improve instead of guys that have reached their football potential in college.Also most of these unknown picks were from smaller schools and they all have "good footwork" with room to develop
Guys in the mold of Collins , Nelson and such who have the size speed ratio for their respective positions.TT has been adding UDFA to the roster each year with this mentality and decided to do this in the later rounds of the draft to build up the draft and develop program.
CBS Sports, Pete Prisco: C-minus "Best pick: It was their first one when they took UCLA defensive end Datone Jones. He will be a good player to help improve their front. Questionable move: Taking running back Eddie Lacy in the second round. They added Johnathan Franklin in the fourth, so who starts? Third-day gem: Franklin. Some scouts thought he wasn't tested as an inside runner at UCLA, but I think he has that ability. Watch him beat out Lacy. Analysis: I usually think Ted Thompson is one of the best in the business. But I wasn't enamored with his haul this year. It just didn't seem to have the same sizzle. And taking two backs lessens the grade."
I love that we came away with two of the best three running backs in the draft. Line them up in the backfield behind Rodgers, and all sorts of interesting wrinkles to the playbook become available. When we run one back sets, whoever is in will have fresher legs. They are more effective, and less likely to get injured.
The biggest impact these guys will have is the prolonging of more drives, and more conversions of 3rd and short. I also really like Lacy picking up blocks in the backfield. He immediately helps to protect Aaron Rodgers.
I love that we came away with two of the best three running backs in the draft. Line them up in the backfield behind Rodgers, and all sorts of interesting wrinkles to the playbook become available. When we run one back sets, whoever is in will have fresher legs. They are more effective, and less likely to get injured.
The biggest impact these guys will have is the prolonging of more drives, and more conversions of 3rd and short. I also really like Lacy picking up blocks in the backfield. He immediately helps to protect Aaron Rodgers.
It's always funny seeing guy's grading a teams draft a week after 3% of their 1st round mock draft turned out to be accurate.
And if a team ends up taking no player's guy's like Prisco "thought" they should, then they must have whiffed on the draft. Not singling out Prisco, a lot of writers do the same thing.
It's fun trying to speculate what players your team might take. Grading the draft right after it's happened is pointless.
And if a team ends up taking no player's guy's like Prisco "thought" they should, then they must have whiffed on the draft. Not singling out Prisco, a lot of writers do the same thing.
It's fun trying to speculate what players your team might take. Grading the draft right after it's happened is pointless.
quote:It just didn't seem to have the same sizzle.
Ted Thompson isn't about the sizzle. Dan Snyder, Jerry Jones, and Woody Johnson are -- and look where it's gotten them.
quote:Originally posted by lambeausouth:
CBS Sports, Pete Prisco: C-minus "Best pick: It was their first one when they took UCLA defensive end Datone Jones. He will be a good player to help improve their front. Questionable move: Taking running back Eddie Lacy in the second round. They added Johnathan Franklin in the fourth, so who starts? Third-day gem: Franklin. Some scouts thought he wasn't tested as an inside runner at UCLA, but I think he has that ability. Watch him beat out Lacy. Analysis: I usually think Ted Thompson is one of the best in the business. But I wasn't enamored with his haul this year. It just didn't seem to have the same sizzle. And taking two backs lessens the grade."
I love that we came away with two of the best three running backs in the draft. Line them up in the backfield behind Rodgers, and all sorts of interesting wrinkles to the playbook become available. When we run one back sets, whoever is in will have fresher legs. They are more effective, and less likely to get injured.
The biggest impact these guys will have is the prolonging of more drives, and more conversions of 3rd and short. I also really like Lacy picking up blocks in the backfield. He immediately helps to protect Aaron Rodgers.
Probably bashed the Skins last year for taking Cousins and RG3 in the same draft. Some people have no foresight. Others have no foreskin, but I digress.