Wow, that's sure to help the narrative.
I'm sure he was fighting for extra yards when he did it though, so that's OK.
And to think they gave a stud like that only seven chances to carry the rock.
Carroll should be fired.
Carroll should be fired.
Eleven touches, two fumbles.
Canton looms.
Canton looms.
He's got more talent though than Jackson. Cooperstown awaits.
I'm thankful we didn't trade a thing for the talented, respected, but TERRIBLE RB Marion Barber. Big night for Marion tonight. 10 rushes, 19 yards. Where's Rong to yell at me how powerful he is, and what great vision he has, and what toughness he possesses?
Sheesh CA, let it go already.
I believe Barber would have been better than Jackson behind the Packers O-line. You don't. So be it it, but we will never know for sure. It is an impossible debate w/o Barber actually in the Packer's system and behind the Packer's line.
BTW, I see it's been a few weeks since you touted Jackson's YPC . . . with good reason.
I believe Barber would have been better than Jackson behind the Packers O-line. You don't. So be it it, but we will never know for sure. It is an impossible debate w/o Barber actually in the Packer's system and behind the Packer's line.
BTW, I see it's been a few weeks since you touted Jackson's YPC . . . with good reason.
I can speculate...
Barber would suck in GB, NY or Texas. Sucky guys suck.
Barber would suck in GB, NY or Texas. Sucky guys suck.
I'm totally fine touting YPC. Especially vs your hand picked savior.
Brandon Jackson - 4.0/carry
Marion "toughness, vision, burst, and power" Barber - 3.1/carry
Brandon Jackson - 4.0/carry
Marion "toughness, vision, burst, and power" Barber - 3.1/carry
quote:I believe Barber would have been better than Jackson behind the Packers O-line.
You believe? You also believed the moon was made out of cheese.
Also, you forget to mention the pick we would've given up for Barbara.
MM A rare keeper from 2006 coaching class
MM & Sean Payton are the only 2 left now that Chilly was fired.
Love this comment...
MM & Sean Payton are the only 2 left now that Chilly was fired.
Love this comment...
quote:Unlike Childress, McCarthy has worked hard to establish a strong rapport with his players. Unlike Childress, McCarthy doesn’t allow members of his team to skip the entire offseason workout program and half of training camp. Unlike Childress, McCarthy doesn’t throw members of his team under the bus in public. Unlike Childress, McCarthy doesn’t make decisions under the cloak of secrecy behind his boss’ back.
And this:
It’s not hard to figure out why McCarthy is looking forward with optimism toward the playoffs, Childress is standing in the unemployment line and the Vikings’ future looks murky at best.
If for some reason MM was fired in the next few seasons I think he would get another HC gig due to his age and work so far. I doubt if Chilly will ever get another NFL HC job due to what all went down in Minny. Chilly could land a college HC gig tho where somebody is desperate enough to think an ex-NFL headcoach is what they need.
It’s not hard to figure out why McCarthy is looking forward with optimism toward the playoffs, Childress is standing in the unemployment line and the Vikings’ future looks murky at best.
If for some reason MM was fired in the next few seasons I think he would get another HC gig due to his age and work so far. I doubt if Chilly will ever get another NFL HC job due to what all went down in Minny. Chilly could land a college HC gig tho where somebody is desperate enough to think an ex-NFL headcoach is what they need.
Updated. Keep in mind the following.
When Marshawn Lynch rushes for 2.6 yards/carry - he's talented and respected.
When Brandon Jackson rushes for 2.6 yards/carry - he's bad and he should feel bad.
Keep up the narrative kids!
When Marshawn Lynch rushes for 2.6 yards/carry - he's talented and respected.
When Brandon Jackson rushes for 2.6 yards/carry - he's bad and he should feel bad.
Keep up the narrative kids!
Lynch averages 2.6 because the defense schemes to stop him.
Jackson averages 2.6 because he doesn't see the cut-back lanes.
Jackson averages 2.6 because he doesn't see the cut-back lanes.
Lynch also runs behind a cavalcade of crap in Tyler Polumbus, Chester Pitts, Chris Spencer, Stacy Andrews and Sean Locklear. That's Buffalo bad. Three of those guys were washouts with their former teams and haven't gotten any better with time. Before he got hurt Okung was doing a Bulaga, which was their best lineman and bulaga's been the weakest of the packers'.
Just to stir the pot - and because someone is likely to say it anyway. We should have signed Westbrook. 
BTW, a thread like this could use 4 more pages.
BTW, a thread like this could use 4 more pages.
quote:bulaga's been the weakest of the packers'
quote:Originally posted by Herschel:
Lynch also runs behind a cavalcade of crap in Tyler Polumbus, Chester Pitts, Chris Spencer, Stacy Andrews and Sean Locklear.
Yet Justin Forsett manages 4.3 ypc behind same said "coc".
No fumbles either.
quote:Originally posted by TD:quote:bulaga's been the weakest of the packers'According to who?
quote:Originally posted by Herschel:
That's Buffalo bad.
You mean Buffalo bad where Fred Jackson was more productive than Marshawn Lynch EVER SINGLE YEAR they played together?
Love the "bad OL" meme. It's just the greatest.
quote:Originally posted by TD:quote:bulaga's been the weakest of the packers'
According to anyone with a clue. Bulaga's having a nice enough rookie campaign, but he still is getting beat some and making mistakes, just like rookies do. Up until Atlanta, the interior o-line has had a very solid season so far (Wells, Sitton AND Colledge) and Clifton has been playing some darned good ball too in making Jared Allen and others his beyotchs. That's not to say Bulaga's been bad, but he's been a rookie and the others have played better. He may well be their best lineman in the future, but the future isn't yet.
quote:Originally posted by Coach:quote:Originally posted by Herschel:
Lynch also runs behind a cavalcade of crap in Tyler Polumbus, Chester Pitts, Chris Spencer, Stacy Andrews and Sean Locklear.
Yet Justin Forsett manages 4.3 ypc behind same said "coc".
No fumbles either.
And yet if YPC is such a magic stat, why did a professional personel and coaching staff trade for and keep giving the starting job to one Marshawn Lynch if Forsett's so good?
quote:Originally posted by CAPackFan95:quote:Originally posted by Herschel:
That's Buffalo bad.
You mean Buffalo bad where Fred Jackson was more productive than Marshawn Lynch EVER SINGLE YEAR they played together?
Love the "bad OL" meme. It's just the greatest.
Yet you and others blame the packers o-line for Jackson's lack of production.
I betcha Seattle sees that trade as nuttin but a win
quote:According to anyone with a clue.
So this eliminates you then?
Since he's started, he's been better than Colledge. Don't know what you've been watching, but I'm guessing it's the same film Diggy watches on Raji and Nelson.
quote:Originally posted by Herschel:
Yet you and others blame the packers o-line for Jackson's lack of production.
Can you please identify ANY statement I made blaming the OL for Jackson's lack of production.
I'll hang up and wait for the derp.
quote:why did a professional personel and coaching staff trade for and keep giving the starting job to one Marshawn Lynch if Forsett's so good?
Hmmm...maybe because they gave up draft picks for him maybe had something to do with it?
quote:Originally posted by Herschel:
And yet if YPC is such a magic stat, why did a professional personel and coaching staff trade for and keep giving the starting job to one Marshawn Lynch if Forsett's so good?
Arrogant coaches fall in love with "talent" and think they are much smarter than other coaches and can finally be the ones to coax production out of "talent".
Same reason that armchair GMs think that regardless of over 23 games of crap production that Lynch is great - he's got "talent" because Mel Kiper told them he was talented.
Meanwhile I just as easily could ask you "And yet if "talent" is the end all be all, why did a professional personnel and coaching staff start an undrafted free agent from Coe College over the supremely talented Marshawn Lynch for 1+ years and then trade said supremely talented Lynch?"
Colonel Mustard, in the Library, with a Wrench.
Colledge is starting only because they need Bulaga at RT. Colledge is their 5th best OLineman.
Colledge is starting only because they need Bulaga at RT. Colledge is their 5th best OLineman.
quote:Originally posted by Hungry5:
Colonel Mustard, in the Library, with a Wrench.
Colledge is starting only because they need Bulaga at RT. Colledge is their 5th best OLineman.
If Colledge was that bad then why hasn't Spitz or Lang replaced him or Bulaga before Tauscher went down? Believe it or not Colledge has had a pretty solid year.
quote:Originally posted by CAPackFan95:quote:Originally posted by Herschel:
And yet if YPC is such a magic stat, why did a professional personel and coaching staff trade for and keep giving the starting job to one Marshawn Lynch if Forsett's so good?
Arrogant coaches fall in love with "talent" and think they are much smarter than other coaches and can finally be the ones to coax production out of "talent".
Same reason that armchair GMs think that regardless of over 23 games of crap production that Lynch is great - he's got "talent" because Mel Kiper told them he was talented.
Meanwhile I just as easily could ask you "And yet if "talent" is the end all be all, why did a professional personnel and coaching staff start an undrafted free agent from Coe College over the supremely talented Marshawn Lynch for 1+ years and then trade said supremely talented Lynch?"
Where have I said Fred Jackson was bad? Fred's talented and been a pretty solid back for Buffalo and that was a nice combo they had (although somewhat similar guys). Then CJ Spiller became the Best Player Available on their draft board and they took him, making Lynch redundant.
And isn't it rather "arrogant" of you to think you know so much better than an entire professional staff of football guys?
I'd take Fred Jackson for that 3rd rounder folks were offering. A 3rd for Lynch was idiocy. The NFL agrees, BTW.
Time machine:
1996 Packers 8-3
2010 Packers 7-4
1996:
Minnyhaha 30 Pack 21
Packers 15 rushes 60 yards
Most carries: Edgar Bennett
11 rushes 33 yards
KC 27 Pack 20
Packers 20 rushes 75 yards
Most carries: Edgar Bennett
12 rushes 37 yards
Dallass 21 Pack 6
Packers 21 rushes 90 yards
Most carries: Dorsey Levens
9 rushes 26 yards
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Even with the #1 offense (11th in rushing in a more run oriented NFL) in a Super Bowl winning year there are going to be games where you don't run the ball as well as you would've liked to over the course of a 16 game regular season.
1996 Packers 8-3
2010 Packers 7-4
1996:
Minnyhaha 30 Pack 21
Packers 15 rushes 60 yards
Most carries: Edgar Bennett
11 rushes 33 yards
KC 27 Pack 20
Packers 20 rushes 75 yards
Most carries: Edgar Bennett
12 rushes 37 yards
Dallass 21 Pack 6
Packers 21 rushes 90 yards
Most carries: Dorsey Levens
9 rushes 26 yards
********************************************
Even with the #1 offense (11th in rushing in a more run oriented NFL) in a Super Bowl winning year there are going to be games where you don't run the ball as well as you would've liked to over the course of a 16 game regular season.
quote:Originally posted by Herschel:
And isn't it rather "arrogant" of you to think you know so much better than an entire professional staff of football guys?
And, we're now up to 2 statements I've never made.
Awesome.
quote:Originally posted by Herschel:
And isn't it rather "arrogant" of you to think you know so much better than an entire professional staff of football guys?
And that's never stopped you before (and you're certainly not alone in that regard).
Hilarious.
I'm not saying it's not. It's what we do on the intarwebs.
It's what we do on the intarwebs.
quote:Originally posted by CAPackFan95:
Arrogant coaches fall in love with "talent" and think they are much smarter than other coaches and can finally be the ones to coax production out of "talent".
Me likes coaches (and GMs) that do both. Something tells me TT was head over heals for Claymaker to pry some draft picks out of the vice grip.
Me likes a combo of "talent" sprinkled in with "little engines that could" like Mr. Kuhn.
quote:Originally posted by pablopackerfan:
I'm available to make statements you never made for you, or dumptrump, whenever you need.
And there could very well be at least nine or ten good reasons for you offering to help out.
Salt O' Terra Firma U B.
Here is a quote from Profootballtalk for you:
Just stiring the pot some.
quote:Rosenthal’s take: The Panthers have a running game again. Mike Goodson has topped 100 yards from scrimmage in three straight games and Jonathan Stewart had his best game of the year last week in Cleveland. Meanwhile, Marshawn Lynch is showing why the Packers didn’t go after him. This is a game the Seahawks can’t afford to lose, yet it’s very easy to see them blowing it. Take the points. I don’t have the guts to take Jimmy Clausen on the road.
Rosenthal’s pick: Seahawks 19, Panthers 17.
Just stiring the pot some.