Missed Tackles Forced by running backs in the last three seasons:
— Ross Uglem (@RossUglem) March 11, 2024
1. Josh Jacobs - 194
2. Najee Harris - 175
3. Derrick Henry - 167
4. Nick Chubb - 155
5. Christian McCaffery - 142
Aaron Jones - 130
AJ Dillon - 77 pic.twitter.com/hPFbSjvRTb
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Top 3 all out of ALA.
And he has twice as many Js as Aaron Jones and AJ Dillon.
@Boris posted:Missed Tackles Forced by running backs in the last three seasons:
— Ross Uglem (@RossUglem) March 11, 2024
1. Josh Jacobs - 194
2. Najee Harris - 175
3. Derrick Henry - 167
4. Nick Chubb - 155
5. Christian McCaffery - 142
Aaron Jones - 130
AJ Dillon - 77 pic.twitter.com/hPFbSjvRTb
The majority of these were from 2021 and 2022. Last season Jacobs was in the bottom 5 in almost every advanced stats for running back (elusiveness, yards after contact, etc). As I said in earlier post, which guy we get (2022 or 2023) is going to be the key.
Deal is for basically one year with three option years. Relatively easy to move on if the team gets the 2023 version of Jacobs.
Just goes to show the importance of mini-camps, off season work outs, training camp and pre season games which Jacobs missed all of in 2023.
Ones evaluation of the Jacobs move. Letter grade C- from ESPN +
The Packers decided to pay Jacobs approximately $12 million instead of paying Aaron Jonesapproximately $11 million, and that is a trade I would make zero days per week.
I'm usually the first to choose a younger running back -- and Jacobs is three years younger than Jones -- but there's just one problem: Jones is better.
Jacobs is coming off a disastrous season in which he accrued just 3.5 yards per carry and minus-0.4 yards per carry over expectation, per NFL Next Gen Stats data. His total minus-86 rush yards over expectation was the sixth-worst mark by any running back in the league last year. Although part of that can be attributed to the Raiders' lack of a consistent passing threat, that hindrance is somewhat accounted for in the expectation metric. If defenders are loading the box, that lowers the expectation.
Jacobs was good in 2022 by any measure, including RYOE (plus-158 that year). But after last season it looks as if that was the outlier year, not 2023. Jacobs has accrued negative rush yards over expectation in three of the past four seasons. Dating back to 2018, Jones has never recorded a negative RYOE season.
Jones has long been heralded for his receiving abilities, but Jacobs makes an impact there, too. If I'm choosing one of these backs, it is Jones, but in reality I'm picking neither. I would try to get Jones back on a cheaper deal, and if that doesn't work, just go cheap. The one saving grace here is that this is really a one-year deal with team options, as the guarantees are minimal. -- Walder
For those wondering if JJ 2023 year was an outlier, ummm...coupled with his quad injury he dealt with, this was the shit show he had to run behind:
This line was roughhhhh pic.twitter.com/eEbxQZe4GR
— Andy Herman (@AndyHermanNFL) March 11, 2024
Some of what Jacobs was dealing with in Vegas last year. pic.twitter.com/5v6aEHa7Gf
— Andy Herman (@AndyHermanNFL) March 11, 2024
I swear I’m not cherry picking these. It’s all over the damn tape. This line literally couldn’t run block. pic.twitter.com/WCuQAvTfRb
— Andy Herman (@AndyHermanNFL) March 12, 2024
Here's FBG O-Line rankings on Jan 4, 2004
https://www.footballguys.com/a...ensive-line-rankings
Raiders at 20th and Packers at 24th
I guess Jacobs will really suck in 2024
Some JJ highlights
and here's the boxscore from the Packers -Raiders game last fall.
https://www.pro-football-refer...res/202310090rai.htm
From former GM Randy Mueller:
" Josh Jacobs’ skill set combines what the Packers have needed two players — Jones (speed and agility) and AJ Dillon (power) — to give them in the past. He brings both to the table. Jacobs runs with very good pad level and power inside while still being elusive at the second level. He also has good hands and can make defenders miss after the catch. If healthy, he upgrades them at RB, without a doubt, even with Jones being released." — Randy Mueller
@Satori posted:From former GM Randy Mueller:
" Josh Jacobs’ skill set combines what the Packers have needed two players — Jones (speed and agility) and AJ Dillon (power) — to give them in the past. He brings both to the table. Jacobs runs with very good pad level and power inside while still being elusive at the second level. He also has good hands and can make defenders miss after the catch. If healthy, he upgrades them at RB, without a doubt, even with Jones being released." — Randy Mueller
I think jones is the more dynamic rb. He has a way of slipping past defenders that can't really be taught. It's more of a knack that some guys have. He's always had great cutting ability that can turn a good play into a great play due to his quickness.
Jacobs makes guys pay for tackling him. He reminds me of the Nick Chubb type, maybe just a notch below. His size and strength allows him to run through a lot of tackles, which Jones doesn't necessarily have, even though Aaron has been good at gaining extra yards after contact.
This might be a gamble for GB in the sense that you knew what you had in Jones and it's a crap shoot when a veteran goes to a new team. The injuries to Jones might be the one reason they went in this direction. That's not to say Jacobs won't produce, but we won't know until the bullets start flying.
I've seen a few opinions that now GB has their every down rb. I've heard someone say this signing means they can be done with the platoon thing they've had for so many years. I think that's not exactly realistic in today's NFL. Jacobs has some miles on his body, and I can't imagine this staff with any plan to run him into the ground and use him up. Even though the two guys are different in skill set, I think MLF/Gute still wants that two or even three headed monster so no one rb takes all the wear and tear. It worked with Jones/Dillon when both were healthy. Dallas has done a vg job with multiple rbs. Philly always seems to have a second and third guy in the wings. If you can spell a guy like Jacobs in the middle of a game, you play to his strength in the second half. He gets better as the game goes on, but they will need to manage his carries and keep him on a loose pitch count to keep him healthy so he can do damage in the 4th qtr of games. The rb room is far from finished, in my opinion.
@artis posted:I think jones is the more dynamic rb. He has a way of slipping past defenders that can't really be taught. It's more of a knack that some guys have.
I think MLF/Gute still wants that two or even three headed monster so no one rb takes all the wear and tear. The rb room is far from finished, in my opinion.
Absolutely, Jones is way more dynamic and his vision was graded as elite coming out. Conversely, Dillon didn't have vision and ran into the OL's arse too often
Agree with your comments on the multi-headed monster, I'm guessing GB looks hard at RBs in the draft, with some pundits shining a light on Jaylen Wright out of Tenn as a good complement to Jacobs.
Gute always wants competition, so maybe we're looking at:
Jacobs + early draft pick + Emanuel Wilson + priority FA in the 6th/7th
Not sure if they'll bring Patrick Taylor back; he's both reliable and replaceable
Trey Benson would be a good add also.
I'm really starting to warm on Isaac Guerendo to unleash on defenses after Jacobs has softened them up...thinking pick 169 would be damn near perfect.
Works for me....I have a hunch Emmanuel Wilson is going to surprise this Training Camp and blow away any draft pick.
I like him too...let those be the three RBs.
@Satori posted:
Not sure if they'll bring Patrick Taylor back; he's both reliable and replaceable
Just listened to Andy Herman earlier and he said Taylor wasn't tendered, probably due to the price for a vetted player. I just assumed he'd be in camp again, but his status and mandatory $$$ may indicate that GB goes a different direction. Herman said both Taylor and Rochelle weren't retained. They'll be drafting rbs and scouring the lower tier FA market heading into camp.
@JimBobDuggar posted:
Dillon's limits have been exposed the past couple of years. But I have to give him a ton of credit for the spell when Jones first went down last year. He was essentially the only rb they had and he took a beating but toughed it out. There's something to be said about having continuity on every unit, and GB most likely brought him back simply because Jones split. He's a steady presence that will never live up to his draft status. My one concern would be that he takes reps away from some other guy that might flourish given the opportunity. But I can't disagree with the move at this point. The front office to this point has done a great job retaining a good core from 2023.
I will give you "a steady presence" and by most accounts he appears to be a pretty good dude but the ceiling is just so damn low for AJAG Dillion. Gimme someone with some upside...still a few wily vets out there or draft and develop. Got a lot of picks in this draft to not be nabbing a RB with upside.
Dillon was signed to an unusual contract mechanism that was put into the last CBA. He can earn up to 2.5 million a year, but he only counts 1.1 million against the cap. It's to encourage teams to sign their own players back if they are solid contributors, but not really candidates for bigger money.
https://www.si.com/nfl/packers...rs-re-sign-aj-dillon
Dillon at 1.1 million against the cap is an absolute no brainer.
Now we just have to think about him as a minimum salary guy and not expect him to produce at the level of a 2nd round draft pick.
Love the guy. Better than Darrell Thompson!
@JimBobDuggar posted:I will give you "a steady presence" and by most accounts he appears to be a pretty good dude but the ceiling is just so damn low for AJAG Dillion. Gimme someone with some upside...still a few wily vets out there or draft and develop. Got a lot of picks in this draft to not be nabbing a RB with upside.
I can't disagree with any of that. I just wonder if the staff looked at the risk of losing both guys and how it might effect the young qb. If Jones had chosen to stick around, it's probably a guarantee that Dillon was gone. They may have thought twice once Jones called their bluff. But I agree, it shouldn't be something that prevents them from drafting a couple rbs.
@JimBobDuggar posted:I will give you "a steady presence" and by most accounts he appears to be a pretty good dude but the ceiling is just so damn low for AJAG Dillion.
Got a lot of picks in this draft to not be nabbing a RB with upside.
I had no clue Dillon was doubling as Attorney General. Impressive!!
@JimBobDuggar posted:Got a lot of picks in this draft to not be nabbing a RB with upside.
Draft is at end of April....at a bare minimum they'll have some UDFA RB's in camp and I'm 98%-99% sure they'll draft one.
Josh Jacobs said he had 10-12 teams that were interested. Love and Bisaccia among reasons why he chose the Packers. pic.twitter.com/Pn7aKECf1A
— Bill Huber (@BillHuberNFL) March 15, 2024
Since Jacobs entered the NFL in 2019, only Derrick Henry has more rushing yards and rushing touchdowns than Jacobs.
from the link above:
“Man, coach Bisaccia, I’m not going to lie,” Jacobs said. “He was one of the main reasons I wanted to come here too, just knowing he was already here and dealing with him in the past.
“We’ve always had a tight relationship, and that year he was head coach, we had a lot of real conversations. We sat down, we talked about life and everything. To be around him and that energy he has every day, I think it’s going to be fun.”
More here from Jacobs
@Satori posted:Since Jacobs entered the NFL in 2019, only Derrick Henry has more rushing yards and rushing touchdowns than Jacobs.
from the link above:
“Man, coach Bisaccia, I’m not going to lie,” Jacobs said. “He was one of the main reasons I wanted to come here too, just knowing he was already here and dealing with him in the past.
“We’ve always had a tight relationship, and that year he was head coach, we had a lot of real conversations. We sat down, we talked about life and everything. To be around him and that energy he has every day, I think it’s going to be fun.”
Good recruiter, our Rich. Now, he only needs to actually give us a good special teams unit and I will be hooked.
Does he fumble much? I suspect not, but AJ did have some critical fumbles.
Watch tape of Jones' running style. He windmills his non carrying arm for balance. Not that Aaron had fumble-itis but it could be a contributing cause of the fumbles
It would have been nice to see him stop tilting at windmills and use that arm to cover the ball when making contact. He didn't fumble much (although he had five in 2022), but it seemed they always came at the worst times.
Heard that Jacobs wanted Jersey number 8, so our back-up QB (Clifford) had to switch to 6. Nice of him to do that 😊
I wonder how nice. 
I think players (NBA at least) have to buy the inventory of their old numbers if they want to switch.
I wonder how that works with free agents. I can't imagine they have to buy out all their old jerseys from the team they left if they sign with a new one.
