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By tomorrow night, all the teams in the NFL will have played 8 games, so we're officially to the halfway point of the season. And while there are some really great seasons happening right now, there shouldn't be any doubt that Aaron Rodgers is the NFL's MVP right now.

Remember a month ago when people were asking "what's wrong with Aaron Rodgers"? We were 2-3. Well, reports of Mr. Rodgers' demise were premature. In the last four weeks, Aaron has 15 TD passes and 1 INT. His 22 TD passes the last five games is a Packer team record. He has 25 TD passes and 5 INT, he's completing 67% of his passes, and has 2,383 yards passing. A 107.4 QB rating.Oh ya, and 162 yards rushing. That's a pace for 45 TD passes, 9 interceptions and 4,236 yards passing.

The passing yard pace is down from last year, but the other numbers are nearly identical to last season (he'll have a few more picks at this pace).

But what makes this season all the more spectacular is his level of play with a revolving door of players around him. He's not had his #1 receiver all season. His #1 running back Cedric Benson, has missed 4 games with his injury. His #2 receiver Jordy Nelson has been out for the last two games. JerMichael Finley has missed time, and when he has been on the field, he's been a non factor. It's been Randall Cobb, James Jones, Donald Driver and Jarrett Boykin on the field. His offensive line has been banged up, and he's been sacked 25 times. Yet he's still playing at an MVP level.

Brett Favre won 3 MVPs with the Packers. Anybody want to bet that Aaron Rodgers doesn't get that many?
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Originally posted by lambeausouth:
How does one not play as well as the numbers suggest? Can you clarify that please?

67% completion is incredible...how many drops has he had? He could easily be at 70% completion while missing two of his primary targets for a combined 9 games.


Today is a perfect example. Numbers were good, but he didn't play all that well. He's had too many so-so games to be considered the MVP at this point in the season. He's certainly in the discussion, but IMO, he's not at the top of the list.
I agree Peyton Manning probably gets it.

I want to throw Luck into the conversation for a couple straggler votes if they somehow make the playoffs, though. He's not the guy but I think he deserves to be towards the end of the conversation and garner some votes based on:

There was nothing expected of that team coming into the season and it's not like there's a ton of talent around him, not nearly as much as Rodgers or Ryan have.

Reggie Wayne is really the only established veteran on the offense. This isn't Roethlisburger and a veteran crew of players.

They're 5-3 without their head coach and they've suffered their share of injuries.

Andrew Luck has 4 game-winning drives in the 4th quarter or overtime.

Andrew Luck was on that late college deal where he couldn't even be with the team until June.
If they handed out MVP today no way is Rodgers getting it. Manning is still a bigger name, his stats are more or less equal, and he's winning his division.

Aaron is still in a good position to go back to back on MVPs, but we're going to have to catch the Bears first. And he's still going to have to separate himself some from Peyton in the stats. More TDs, fewer yards, and slightly lower passer rating won't cut it.
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Originally posted by 4 Favre:
If they handed out MVP today no way is Rodgers getting it. Manning is still a bigger name, his stats are more or less equal, and he's winning his division.

Aaron is still in a good position to go back to back on MVPs, but we're going to have to catch the Bears first. And he's still going to have to separate himself some from Peyton in the stats. More TDs, fewer yards, and slightly lower passer rating won't cut it.


I respectfully disagree.

The Packers might not lead their division, but they have a better record than the Donkeys by percentages, 6-3 vs 5-3, and the NFC North is way, way better than the AFC West. The NFC North is 22-12, the AFC West is 13-19. And Peyton Manning has had his full compliment of skill players while the Packer offense has been decimated. All things being equal (a point separating their rating), Rodgers has done more with less.

Long way to go yet, obviously, but it's a bye week, so we might as well talk about it.
This isn't a conversation if Ryan is without Jones and White and Manning is without Decker and Thomas the time AR has been without Jennings and Nelson.

The fact that AR is still putting up better number than either of those those two shows:

1. How great AR really is.
2. The genius of TT at assembling a roster.

AR is the best QB in football. He should win the MVP. MVP's are nice but it's not the trophy I'm hoping to see him win.
Everyone knows by know the MVP isn't about what you have for talent around you. And if you want to use stats for your argument, the NFL Total QBR has Rodgers in 5th place. I'd love to see him with another MVP, but bottom line is part of this award is about who is the media darling while still having a great year. Ryan, Manning and Rodgers will all get votes. But at this moment, your MVP is not AR.
I can't see Manning getting the MVP. He has had at least one just really bad game, Rodgers hasn't had that. His lowest rating of the season was against Seattle (still in the 80's, as if that's bad), but that had as much to do with being sacked 10 times. Manning has looked rusty at times this year.

I think voters will look closely at Ryan and realize he's not the reason for their 8-0 record. The team as a whole has played efficient, mistake free football (for the most part). The pressure hasn't really been on Ryan to carry the team yet. Rodgers on the other hand has had the pressure squarely on him and his 100+ QB rating reflects that he is rising to the occasion. Look no further than his game against Houston.

Right now he has been the MVP, no doubt.
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Originally posted by Fedya:
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And if you want to use stats for your argument, the NFL Total QBR has Rodgers in 5th place.

Isn't that the piece of crap used by ESPN? Confused


Yes it is. But for all the stat whores who want to go over the numbers with a fine tooth comb to prove Rodgers is the MVP, these numbers show AR isn't #1. I think it's silly for posters to say the numbers show Rodgers is the MVP hands down.

Someone commented it won't be Manning because he had a really bad game a while back. Hell, I don't think Rodgers played particularly well the last 2 weeks. 4 TDs yesterday, but I believe less than 50% completion was'nt impressive. What other numbers do you want to look at? Wins? Ryan has more.

The vote will be close. I respectfully disagree with comments about Rodgers "obviously" being the MVP or "hands down" leading the race. Time will tell.
My guess is it will be between Manning and Rodgers unless Atlanta goes undefeated or 15-1.

The NFL media hierarchy loves Peyton. And, lets face it, his comeback story and performance has been terrific by-in-large. The writers love this stuff.

Matt Ryan still doesn't do anything for me. Same old same old with him. He certainly can't make something out of nothing like Rodgers and as a passer he's pedestrian. Noodle arm. IMO he and Matt Schaub are clones of each other. Nothing special there but if his team keeps winning he'll be a MVP favorite.

I still don't see any QB out there who, week-in week-out, carries his team like Rodgers does. The players get it. Read McGinn's game story in the JSO today. If the missing offensive pieces come back healthy he will go off in the remaining part of the season.

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