Mighty Green Bay Packers 2024 OLine

Packers offense was ranked number 6 in the league by DVOA and a huge part of that is the talent of the OL and how MLF deploys them.

Keep in mind that ranking includes all of the '23 campaign, so they overcame the rough start and were really hummin at the end of the season.

https://ftnfantasy.com/dvoa/nfl/team-total-dvoa

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ACME Packing with their 2024 OL overview prior to OTAs

https://www.acmepackingcompany...an-morgan-josh-myers

Regardless of the best 5, all I'm hoping for is they keep Love upright with minimal sacks. And, open lots of holes for the RB' to ramble.

Here's the new OL Asst coach, he quietly joined GB in March

RT Tenuta is just HUGE ! The small dude next to him is 6'5" Dillard

I must've missed this if reported earlier, but Zach Tom has a torn pectoral from lifting weights in April. Supposed to be ready by TC. But injuries that "heal" naturally sometimes linger.

@Satori posted:

RT Tenuta is just HUGE ! The small dude next to him is 6'5" Dillard

And, the team really likes him. He's a near lock to make the 53, IMO.

@PackLandVA posted:

I must've missed this if reported earlier, but Zach Tom has a torn pectoral from lifting weights in April. Supposed to be ready by TC. But injuries that "heal" naturally sometimes linger.

Kiss ass. The head coach tears his pec so Tom has to do it too.

@PackLandVA posted:

I must've missed this if reported earlier, but Zach Tom has a torn pectoral from lifting weights in April. Supposed to be ready by TC. But injuries that "heal" naturally sometimes linger.

According to an injury report, TE Kraft has also torn his pectoral from lifting weights.  Is this the trend this year?  Last year it was hamies, this year pectorals.  The next thing to investigate will be if this is a result of something our new conditioning coach is doing?  Or is it something we will have to get some special help with? 

The fly machine is set too wide.

100 guys working out, lifting. 3 with pectoral tears? It happens.

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So...who are your Bestest 5 ?

Walker-Jenkins-Myers-Rhyan-Tom

Walker-Jenkins-Tom-Rhyan-Morgan

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Morgan-Jenkins-Myers-Rhyan-Tom

Morgan-Jenkins-Tom-Myers-Walker

Morgan-Jenkins-Tom-Rhyan-Walker

others :
Caleb Jones, Luke Tenuta, Travis Glover, Jacob Monk, Royce Newman, Andre Dillard, Kadeem Telfort, Donovan Jennings, Lecitus Smith

https://www.packers.com/team/depth-chart

How it starts

Walker-Jenkins-Myers-Rhyan-Tom*

* assuming pectoral recovery on schedule

Mid season

Morgan-Jenkins-Myers-Rhyan-Tom

End of season we see more of

Morgan-Jenkins-Monk-Rhyan-Tom

Morgan, Jenkins, Tom, Monk, Walker.     Monk is a little short but is quick and might make a better guard.

I thought I read that both Tom and Kraft had some surgery to repair their pectoral muscles.

@Goalline posted:

Kiss ass. The head coach tears his pec so Tom has to do it too.

Seems to be replacing the hammy issue.  Kraft tore his pectoral as well.

My guess is:

Walker-Jenkins-Tom-Rhyan-Morgan

Walker was too good to get bypassed by a rookie and this is probably the best 5.  Assuming Morgan isn't a bust.   

I'm still really interested in what Caleb Jones can do.    Would love to see him pan out and win the RT job.    Morgan becomes swing for his rookie year.   

Morgan-Jenkins-Tom-Myers-Walker Is very intriguing.

If Tom has a setback Morgan-Jenkins-Myers-Rhyan-Walker seems legit with minimal disruption when Tom does come back.

Walker is the LT until someone shows they’re better.

Jenkins is one of the best LG in the NFL.

Myers is the starting Center. Packers really liked his play as season went on.

Morgan starts at RG because he’s better/more athletic than Rhyan.

Tom stays at RT because he’s really good there. I think the talk of moving him to Center is just that - talk.  “An unnamed personnel guy said……”

Thats my starting 5 in September, and I’m sticking with it.

I'd be okay with that.    That would be my 2nd preference. 

Walker-Jenkins-Tom-Rhyan-Morgan

Walker-Jenkins-Meyers-Morgan-Tom

I hope Satori has to edit this thread title by year's end and it will read "2024 Green Bay Packers Mighty OLine"! 

I see what you did there Timmy, hope your right.

What could go wrong?

This one is 8 yrs old, but they do a nice job of laying out the different types of pass pro sets that NFL lineman use.

Jump set
45 degree set
Vertical set

https://www.sbnation.com/2016/...e-thomas-tyron-smith

"Last week, I wrote how a quarterback can sack himself. In that piece, I explained the most basic fundamentals of pass protecting. Now, I will expand on that.

There are multiple types of pass protections. Drop back passes which include three-step drops, five-step drops, and rare for today’s game, a seven-step drop. With the heavy use of shotgun now, these drop numbers have changed. There are play action passes, screen passes, and bootleg/nakeds.

Each of these protections uses a different style of pass protection.

A set is how you go about pass protecting. The same technique principles apply to all sets — balanced base, great punch, and targeting — but how that technique is applied is determined by the set.

There are three types of pass sets for offensive tackles. We will focus on that position because they get paid to pass protect. As one offensive line coach told me “we can find guards at the local grocery store!”

The three types of pass sets are a jump set, 45-degree set, and vertical set. A jump set and the 45 are closely related, using the same principles, but vary based on the alignment of the defender. A vertical set is its own beast. Each of these has its uses and issues."

From JSOnline

OT  Kadeem Telfort

OL Donovan Jennings

LT Jordan Morgan

OC Josh Myers

A little more info on UDFA Donovan Jennings via Zone Coverage

https://zonecoverage.com/2024/...in-a-20-year-streak/

Offensive lineman Donovan Jennings from the University of South Florida is a prototypical sixth offensive lineman with the positional versatility to play guard or tackle. Green Bay liked him enough to give him a $10,000 signing bonus and $100,000 in guaranteed salary, which is more than it gave any other UDFA in 2023. They also hosted Jennings for a pre-draft 30 visit. The Packers have done their work on him, and it’s evident why they’d be interested.

Jennings is an athletic player with solid but not hulking size, a middle ground the Packers like.

He tested above average in athleticism for either tackle or guard, having an 8.93 relative athletic score as a tackle and 9.65 as a guard.

While he only lined up as a left tackle in college, he profiles as the type to cross-train at guard in the NFL. Green Bay started to mix in Jennings at guard during their rookie mini-camp earlier this month.

Cheesehead TV says Rasheed Walker will be tough to unseat at LT

https://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/...e-hard-to-unseat-504

When the Packers decided it was time to move on from David Bakhtiari, due largely to his nagging injury issues, the team needed somebody to step up at left tackle.  Even then, Walker had stiff competition for the job.  The team had been grooming Yosh Nijman to man that spot on the offensive line for more than a year.  Throughout the season, Walker could not win the coaches over to playing him full time.  He had to endure a rotation with Nijman, and it felt like an audition each week.

“My whole thing was I just wasn’t going to quit. I could have had a bad attitude, and been like, ‘Man this is BS, I shouldn’t have got benched.’ But I just took advantage of the opportunity to get better, and when I got my next opportunity I just (had to) prove to myself and to everybody that I could play,” Walker said

Quantity begets Quality through competition -  and Gute has created some at the most important spot on the OL.

Good Luck to both Morgan and Walker

Bill Huber of SI with a post on Sean Rhyan

https://www.si.com/nfl/packers...o-start-01hzyshdzrq9

Green Bay Packers offensive lineman Sean Rhyan isn’t going to give up the starting job at right guard without a fight.

Nor should he.

Rhyan didn’t play a single snap from scrimmage until Game 8 against the Rams. After playing about 10 snaps per game for five weeks, Rhyan averaged 32.5 snaps during the final four games of the regular season, then played 26 in the playoff win vs. Dallas and 20 in the playoff loss vs. San Francisco.

“I was really able to showcase that I’m able to play at this level as well as show myself that I can play at this level,” Rhyan said recently at Packers OTAs. “In that last game blocking Arik Armstead a couple times, going back and forth with him, it’s fun. It’s good. It’s comforting knowing that I can still play the game to the level that I expect myself to. The ceiling is still high.”

All those torn pecs. Good thing snow man building wasn't part of their training!

@H5 posted:

   

How it starts

Walker-Jenkins-Myers-Rhyan-Tom*

* assuming pectoral recovery on schedule

Mid season

Morgan-Jenkins-Myers-Rhyan-Tom

End of season we see more of

Morgan-Jenkins-Monk-Rhyan-Tom

I like this movie.

I see I need to bust out the clips of Walker abusing Bosa.

If Morgan can actually supplant Walker, he will be a helluva player!
Walker may not be at an All-Pro level (yet), but he has a high bar for anyone to clear.

Here's a quick piece on OT Andre Dillard from Rob Reischel at forbes

https://www.forbes.com/sites/r...career-in-green-bay/

“Very talented, spent some time starting last year in Tennessee, so he’s got some starts under his belt,” Green Bay general manager Brian Gutekunst said after signing Dillard. “Certainly we lost some offensive line depth over the past few months. I think it was just an opportunity to bring in another guy we feel is going to be very competitive in that room.”

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Lots of chatter and discussion about who plays where on the OL for 2024 including comments from the coaches.  Let's put the chatter to the side for a moment and look at the Packers actions to see if we can glean some insight

Let's say for example that the Packers were as down on Josh Myers as the expert fans are. They are picking at 25 and sitting right there is Graham Barton, the top OC in the draft. The Packers took a pass. They also took a pass on JPJ in round 2

Let's say the Packers are as down on Sean Rhyan as the expert fans are. They are picking at 25 and the highly rated Graham Barton is available. The Packers took a pass. They took a pass on other guards in the 3rd, 4th, 5th

What could we glean from those choices ? Perhaps the Packers like Myers more than the fans ? Perhaps the Packers are moving Zach Tom ? Either way, it doesn't appear they are too concerned about the OC position given that they didn't select one until Monk in round 5.

Let's say the Packers were planning on having Zach Tom and Rasheed Wallace as the starting OTs. Two solid young starters with upside. Then the need would be for depth and a swing tackle and they have Tenuta, Jones and Telfort in development along with snatching up Andre Dillard in FA

But instead, they spent a 1st round pick on Morgan. So they bypassed the IOL and invested at OT both in the draft and in FA.

That suggests a more important & urgent need at OT in their view and since both Bak and Nijman moved - that makes sense.

Maybe the Packers want Morgan-Jenkins-Tom-Rhyan-Walker or as their best 5 and it seems like their actions support that hypothesis.
( can easily flip Walker/Morgan)

That would leave Myers as IOL back- up while giving Monk time to develop and take over that role if/when Myers leaves after 2024 season

I don't think they spent a 1st on a swing tackle and I don't think they ignored OC/OG until the 5th unless they have viable options to cover those spots. In years with deeper drafts,  often times you can find quality OL later on, but this was a shallow draft and the Packers had plenty of ammo to move up as needed if they felt the OG/OC position needed a starter-level player

Given their draft and FA decisions, it leads me towards that best 5 above.

That's just a guess... and the tea leaves are open to other conclusions

Go Packers  

Online or law firms? These lists confuse me.

@Satori posted:

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That's just a guess... and the tea leaves are open to other conclusions

Go Packers  

I looked at the tea leaves and decided that they make tea - or something that resembles it anyway. 

Good analysis Satori.  Replacing OT seems to be the theme this year.

But I also think GB wants to max out their versatility.  I look at all the player OL movement in OTAs as getting players a look at different positions to see who might play where.  It is seeing them play up close and in a pro context as opposed to college.  The coaches will look at the film after minicamp and make some decisions - I suspect.  I think in TC the cross training will be more deliberate.  And the starting five will emerge.  Usually, rookies have somethings to work on their rookie year (usual culprits are strength, technique, and playbook) - and so they don't usually play as much right away.  It is the second year I look for them to challenge for a spot.  I don't think it is a given Morgan plays very much this year. 

The only thing I may disagree with Satori about is Walker playing RT.
If memory serves, he didn't play very well at that position, and I thought that basically 'limited' him to LT.
Sounds a lot like Nijman, but I don't think I've got them confused.

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This blurb below is from an article by former OL, Ross Tucker and he's offering advice for the latest rookies. The mental game is something the plagued the Packers OL early in the 2023 season and in some of the games, they basically took turns fucking up. False starts, illegal shifts, holding, illegal man downfield

Mental Mistakes Are Unacceptable

"This is the fastest way to get cut or traded. The coaches won't trust you if you keep doing the wrong thing. Their patience will only last as long as your draft status and/or potential.

The problem with making mental errors is that it is emblematic of either a lack of preparation on your part or an inability to process what is happening at lightning speed on the field. Ultimately, either one is unacceptable for a professional football player because coaches know that missed assignments will not only get you beat but also reflect poorly on your position coach."

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I set this stat sheet linked below to October 31, 2023 and up thru the end of October, GB was the MOST penalized team in the league. You can set any date you like -  and by season's end, they showed a lot of progress in cleaning it up

https://www.teamrankings.com/n...game?date=2023-10-31.

With more time in the system, hopefully they keep it at a minimum in 2024

Go Packers