MM Press conference: "Appalled" by question of whether he will fire Capers

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Originally posted by Ryan Grant:
There's nothing knee jerk about considering a change at DC in light of the defenses playoff performances.

Fire Dom Capers!! = knee jerk. That was the exact title of the thread, FIRE DOM CAPERS

Should Dom Capers Be Replaced? = well thought out responce to what happened Saturday.

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Originally posted by Rockin' Robin:

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Originally posted by Boris:
Yes it is knee-jerk & comparing Capers to Favre is one of the more ridiculous posts I've ever seen on X4 & that is truly saying something.

Just shutup while you're WAY behind

I respect you and your site Boris, and you put up with a lot of stuff on this site especially after losses, but there's really no call for this.

I wasn't directly comparing the Capers and Favre situations. I was simply questioning what constitutes a knee jerk reaction.

This

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Originally posted by DH13:
Panic Sandwich in the disco.

ftfy

Favre's situation wasn't knee-jerk. HE RETIRED!!! Cried at his press-conference, skipped all mini-camps, OTA's, most of training camp THEN wants to come back & get handed the keys to the Lamborghini after Rodgers has been busting his tail the entire time. Well eff that! MM don't play that way. MM is the anti Mike Sherman in that regard.

Yes I agree it sucks the way our defense played in SF. It sucks getting bounced in the playoffs after another defensive shellacking. I don't care if we had Mike Tomlin, Dick LeBeau, Mike Zimmer, John Fox or Buddy Ryan as our DC, you can't expect any of those coaches to make a difference in the way 6th, 7th rounders & street Free Agents play defense vs. a bunch of 1st round picks.

My god man....look at the talent on the Niner offense & where they were drafted, compared to the talent playing on our defense & where THEY were drafted.

The amazing thing is we STILL had a chance to win that game!! It was tied 24-24 at one point, did you forget that??

If we pull that game out, we were going to win the Super Bowl with Dom Capers defense AGAIN. Firing Capers is not the answer. GIVE him some players that he can work with!

No wonder MM got hot. Wilde with his usual tact goes right for the jugular with the 2nd question of the presser

MM: Opening statement and then "With that I'll take your questions.."

First reporter:[Do you feel like your closer to being a championship team than you showed in the second half?"

That's a reasonable question

Wilde: "Mike, is Dom going to be back as your defensive coordinator next year?"

way to ease into it Wilde.

Watching the video of MM's conference, watching him get pretty pissed off, the "appalled" statement and factoring in Greene's "Does a fat baby fart" comment....

I'm not sure if that's as close as I've ever seen MM get to losing it over not having all his starting defense on the field OR if he indirectly called some of the the defensive players that did play Saturday a bunch of candy asses for the body of work they just turned in.

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Favre's situation wasn't knee-jerk. HE RETIRED!!!

I'm sure Rockin' Robin can defend himself, but the way I read his post, he was arguing that wanting to get rid of Favre wasn't a knee-jerk reaction because of the way Favre jerked the team around for several off-seasons before the "retirement" in March 2008.

Since that's not a knee-jerk reaction, is it a knee-jerk reaction to want to get rid of an assistant coach if you think his unit has screwed up badly in three of the last four postseasons?

Not that I necessarily agree with the argument; just that this is the impression I got from his post. And to be fair, the defense was also historically bad in the 2011 regular season.

With all that said, would it have been possible to take Erik Walden and physically shake some sense into him that perhaps he should try to keep contain? On the other hand, I don't think you can blame Capers for the way Tramon Williams tackled Adrian Peterson in Week 17.

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Originally posted by Boris:
Favre's situation wasn't knee-jerk. HE RETIRED!!! Cried at his press-conference, skipped all mini-camps, OTA's, most of training camp THEN wants to come back & get handed the keys to the Lamborghini after Rodgers has been busting his tail the entire time. Well eff that! MM don't play that way. MM is the anti Mike Sherman in that regard.

I completely agree. I probably did a poor job of communicating it, but that was kind of my point -- when people turned on Favre, it wasn't a knee-jerk reaction to him showing up...that was just the final straw after all the BS he put the fan base through leading up to that moment.

Obviously Capers is not Favre and this is a performance issue rather than a personal one. But I think the outpouring of crap towards Capers goes beyond the horrific display on Saturday night -- it's years worth of frustrations that have built up over time through last year and some of the awful defensive performances in the last four years. So in that regard, it's not necessarily knee jerk reactions.

Regardless, I certainly respect if people have a different perspective and think its players, not scheme. People can respectfully disagree on this. I just think being anti-Capers doesn't necessarily mean someone is automatically letting emotions get the better of them -- there's been plenty of experiences over the years to justify it.

after reading your post & fedya's I think I understand your point now.

So let me ask you. Do you think any of the DC's I listed or anyone else could have provided a better performance with the players on the field Saturday Night?

If TT goes all or mostly defense again in this draft. Look out. That's all I have to say.

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Originally posted by ChilliJon:

I'm not sure if that's as close as I've ever seen MM get to losing it...

I think that's why they cut the presser short. Have to cut MM a ton of slack here. Looks dog tired, just suffered a brutal loss, already answered Wilde's question once and explained to him that he didn't even have a chance to break down the tape of the game yet (He's doing it tomorrow at 8am), and Wilde goes right back in at the end of the presser pushing buttons and hunting for headline making quotes. I thoroughly enjoy the disdain MM has for Wilde because MM sees right through him for what he's trying to do. Almost wish they would have let him keep going.

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Originally posted by titmfatied:
No wonder MM got hot. Wilde with his usual tact goes right for the jugular with the 2nd question of the presser

MM: Opening statement and then "With that I'll take your questions.."

First reporter:[Do you feel like your closer to being a championship team than you showed in the second half?"

That's a reasonable question

Wilde: "Mike, is Dom going to be back as your defensive coordinator next year?"

way to ease into it Wilde.

Obviously a subsetter.

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Walden looked like he had no idea what his assignment was, several times.

Clay Matthews looked that way at times. I'll give MM credit for being completely honest about it. They didn't spend enough time preparing for the option. It showed.

Part of the frustration is that McCarthy isn't really a defensive minded coach. You rarely hear him talk defense, at least not in as much depth as he does offense. Example here being that he discusses the offense's failures, the plays he missed, the package he had in mind... when the real issue for everyone attending the presser was, you just set records for defensive failure, in this game, this year, and all of last year. The defense has been embarrassingly bad. Not since the Bears beat the Redskins 73-0 has a defense been as defenseless... but than it is knee jerk to bring it up?

I don't expect McCarthy to air out all of his frustration in public, but I'm not confident that he really sees how bad that defense is. The injuries almost insulate him, make him believe that next year we'll be better because guys are coming back... but he'll still play Hawk in the middle, and we still won't be able to stop a third and long and on and on and on.

McCarthy needs a slap in the face to turn his cheek away from offense to defense.

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Originally posted by Rockin' Robin:

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Originally posted by Boris:
Yes it is knee-jerk & comparing Capers to Favre is one of the more ridiculous posts I've ever seen on X4 & that is truly saying something.

Just shutup while you're WAY behind

I respect you and your site Boris, and you put up with a lot of stuff on this site especially after losses, but there's really no call for this.

I wasn't directly comparing the Capers and Favre situations. I was simply questioning what constitutes a knee jerk reaction.

Subset of 11?

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Originally posted by chickenboy:
ProFootballTalk ‏@ProFootballTalk Broncos give defensive backs coach Ron Milus the boot http://wp.me/p14QSB-6U2X

Guess the Donkey's think the coach has something to do with inexplicable play(s).

Rahim Moore is going to be a really good safety next year with better coaching, right?

I don;t think knowing what we knew on Saturday night before the game that any defensive coach would have survived what San Fran did.

All week long the media kept asking about the first game and how that would play into their practicing. Rodgers kept saying they will probably look more at their last few games than the first game and go from there. Well hells bells, the 49ers did not run the Pistol offense regularly in the last month. They did not expect it. They probably did not practice much against it. The only way they were going to survive that game was no turnovers and score every time they had it and hope that San Fran made a mistake. Rodgers was good but not great.

I am sure Capers had a few Oh **** moments just like the rest of us did on Saturday night but I don't know if there were any adjustments he could of made with who he had to make them with. We get to play them again next year. My money is that with a year to scheme for that offense, the 49ers, REdskins, and Seahawks wont be near as efficient.

I like MM, but I question the defensive acumen of any head coach who would hire Sanders and then keep him around as defensive coordinator for 3 seasons.

Please explain what Sanders sticking around for 3 years has to do with the price of tea in China?

Unreal....

Let's be honest about Dom Capers... what does he exactly have to work with?

First and second string MLBs out for year.

Brad Jones converted to play MLB - essentially a 3rd Stringer'
AJ Hawk - flat out done.
Eric Walden - had a few decent games, but otherwise he looks clueless out there

Haven't replaced Nick Collins adequately yet, Morgan Burnett is not there yet.

BJ Raji is terribly inconsistent. He has flashes in big contests, but has not been the dominating presence that you expect out of a top 10 drafted DL. Basically he is living off his belly dance and his tv commercials.

1st round picks Nick Perry and Jerel Worthy didnt have much of an impact this season.

Secondary is undersized at the corner and outside of Shields not very talented physically for their position.

Woodson is getting old and isnt the same player.


Dom Capers did a pretty good job with these guys this season. He was able to hide deficiencies for the most part and keep the defense relevant. They are just so void of talent on the defensive side of the ball its really hard to blame Dom for this mess. You have to look at Ted for the personnel that was assembled defensively. We have an all-world qb and a decent stable of receivers. Outside of that and Clay... this team is truly devoid of high caliber talent. That is the problem with the Packers, not Dom Capers.

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Secondary is undersized at the corner and outside of Shields not very talented physically for their position.

House is plenty big. Played with one arm in his first real season. Heyward isn't very talented physically? McMillian was a rook. Jumping the gun a bit, no?

Predictable.

Agree. I bag on Tramon at times but he's a pretty good corner too. GB is setup pretty well at CB. Might even be the deepest position on the team outside of WR.

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Originally posted by Boris:
after reading your post & fedya's I think I understand your point now.

So let me ask you. Do you think any of the DC's I listed or anyone else could have provided a better performance with the players on the field Saturday Night?

If TT goes all or mostly defense again in this draft. Look out. That's all I have to say.

Thanks Boris.

That's the million dollar question. And I'm afraid, it's pretty much a faith based argument -- no one can know for sure. I happen to think another DC would have been better prepared and adjusted more quickly than Capers. I feel like they went into that game expecting a heavy dose of Gore and power running like in Game 1 and just had guys crashing and never really adjusted. But that's just a theory - I can't prove it.

The thing I go back to is a guy like Walden. A week ago, he was an absolute monster against the Vikings. Against SF, he was abysmal. I've read a bunch of posts saying how Walden is a back-up and he's just not talented enough to perform. But that wasn't the case the prior week. What was the difference? Some may say that's just the inconsistency of the player. Others may say the coaches put him in position to succeed with a good game plan one week. I don't think any of us truly know the answer, but I'd like to see an upgrade on both fronts -- players and coaches.

Phil Loadholt vs. Anthony Davis?

I didn't zero in on Walden the entire night. I refuse to watch the game again

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Originally posted by Pakrz:
Agree. I bag on Tramon at times but he's a pretty good corner too. GB is setup pretty well at CB. Might even be the deepest position on the team outside of WR.

Just watched some of the replay and Tramon was getting abused like a crash test dummy. Hoping that shoulder gets healthy or they need to replace him. Can't win with a cb that's afraid to tackle.

Well, if MM isn't going to fire him, maybe Greene can slap him around a bit until he shakes up his defensive calls. Man, if I hear "we knew exactly what they were going to call" one more time, I'll puke.

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Originally posted by packerboi:
I'm not convinced he really believes the pistol offense is a stay in the NFL but when you have 3 playoff calibur teams in your conference all running the pistol or close to it you're not going to give them any bulletin board material stating they are all running a fad offense either.

I would suspect one of the key homework assignments in the offseason will be for MM and Capers to figure out how to counter it.

I don't think the pistol offense is going to last either. RG3's knee won't ever be the same, and it's just a matter of time before Wilson and Kaperwhateverhisnameis get their blocks knocked off. Good luck designing an offensive system that requires a QB to consistently run AND stay healthy.

Yeah, I'm still not over Saturday night.

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Originally posted by Boris:
Phil Loadholt vs. Anthony Davis?

I didn't zero in on Walden the entire night. I refuse to watch the game again

When I watch the games, I only zero in on the football and everybody around it.

Who is this Hawk guy everybody keeps ragging on?

Ba-da-bing!

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Just watched some of the replay and Tramon was getting abused like a crash test dummy. Hoping that shoulder gets healthy or they need to replace him. Can't win with a cb that's afraid to tackle.

Against Brandon Marshall x2, he owned Marshall and was his bitch. Same with Golden Tate and then Andre Johnson (sorta), and Fitzgerald (sorta) and Nicks sorta. Those last 3 got around 75 yards receiving.

Against Megatron (twice), Reggie Wayne, Crabtree twice (about 98 yards per game), M. Colston, got completely schooled and had no answers.

So again here you have inconsistency. Some games he was adequate to good. Others he was as bad that he swore you were watching Hwy 28 all over again.

I don't remember anyone calling for Capers head 2 weeks ago.

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Originally posted by packerboi:
I don't what run him 4 wides means. So the intention was to only run him with 4 WR's on the field?

I think your pretty close, p'boi.
I took it to mean they had rushing plays from 4WR sets; "stretching the field", IOW.

It may or may not be related, but I also suspect from his Cobb reference, they also had plays (rush and pass) that would have him lined up in the backfield.

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Originally posted by vitaflo:
I don't remember anyone calling for Capers head 2 weeks ago.

Nobody wants the dead badger look.

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Originally posted by Pakrz:

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Walden looked like he had no idea what his assignment was, several times.

Clay Matthews looked that way at times. I'll give MM credit for being completely honest about it. They didn't spend enough time preparing for the option. It showed.

Yup... that's the first time, as far as i recall, he said his team was unprepared. That's not a good sign for Capers IMO.

Seems to me he was more pissed about the timing of the question than the question itself. He can't comprehend making that choice without going through his end of season evaluations first.

A change from MM seems unlikely given his comments. I just hope he was as appalled by the defensive performance on Saturday as he was by the questions of Capers' status.

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Originally posted by Boris:
Please explain what Sanders sticking around for 3 years has to do with the price of tea in China?

Unreal....

The fact I have to explain that to you is unreal...

I can understand why McCarthy would get POd at the fire Compers related questions. I still think it's more the players than the coaching and I love how people just gloss over how good the Niners actually are.

There's no guarantee that with Bulaga, Bishop, Perry, Worthy, etc they beat SF but it's also not unrealistic to think they play better either.

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I love how people just gloss over how good the Niners actually are.

They avg'd 360 yards a game this year. They had 580 against us last week.

The most yards Kaepernic had rushing prior to last week was 85 against the Rams in a OT game. He had 180 against us last week.

It's not the Niners, my friend. It was a historic **** show from our defense.

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Originally posted by heyward:

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Originally posted by Boris:
Please explain what Sanders sticking around for 3 years has to do with the price of tea in China?

Unreal....

The fact I have to explain that to you is unreal...

No it really isn't. Sanders lasting 3 years has nothing to do with Dom Capers lasting 4+ years who did win a Super Bowl in Green Bay. Get used to it. Dom isn't going anywhere.

Not surprising you can't stand by your own opinion.