Neal/Coaching Staff

Henry - Whitt has done a great job with Shields, no doubt. However; the Packers have been looking for a 2nd starting Safety since Collins went down, how has Perry done there? Greene has 2 1st round picks (Matthews and Perry) and a 2nd round pick (Neal) to work with - and has done an outstanding job with Neal's conversion. Then Campen gets 1st rounders and they get season ending injuries and he takes a 4th round rookie and 2 UDFA and gets them starting in the NFL. Lang and Sitton also were 4th rounders but Campen gets no credit coaching them up. They are considered Thompson finds. 

 

When Campen is done in GB he can go to work for Geico and reintroduce their So easy a caveman can do it ads.

Are you making that argument?  Because just watching the games should be a good indicator whether you're a fan or in the organization.  It's not that big of leap to see this is a average oline.





Well let me rephrase because I'm not worried about the research when the point I'm making is clear.  These are players that have played oline exclusively through college and were starters in that position.  Only Tretter is the anomaly at this point of making the transition to the oline and played at high level when he did.  He was drafted for his intelligence as well as his overall size and athleticism.   

You like adequate?  Great, be "ok".  The point is TT drafts olinemen that have played and know the position.  When the experiment TEs were brought in it failed miserably to the point of TT changing his drafting strategy for oline. 

Christ on a cracker, pull out the game tape for the past two years alone and see how many times "quick release" and "mobile" come up in the commentary and the posting here.  I'm sure that's all indicative of a oline that blows open holes in the running game and let's Rodgers have a picnic in pass protection.

It's "ok" to acknowledge that parts of the is oline and the coaching overall are vanilla.  That seems to fit the end point of your argument.

And again, it has been a mystery to me that MM has kept Campen on staff but it is what it is.  All you have to do is watch the games to see it isn't sweet spot for the Packers, I'm just glad the have such excellent skill players and schemes to offset.  Brownie is doing a heck of a job.

 

Right, guys that are not 1st round talent but can be coached up.

 

Yes, and I stand by it.  The reason being is Lang and Sitton came in with experience on the oline, were plugged in and continued where they left off.  I truly believe that if a guy like Beightol got ahold of Lang, Sitton, Bak we would be talking about a above average oline.  I like the talent but I truly believe it could be much more dominant.  Except Big Ern, he's maxed out.

And this isn't all a tribute to TT.  There have been misses without a doubt but the whole of a solid machine should be GMs bring in the talent, coaches groom the players and the players execute.  It could be a systematic failure across the board but when you look at the one constant what do you see?  Campen.  Everything is "ok".  I'll take "ok" over ****ty or subpar but I personally look at the whole of his coaching career and see "meh".

We all know Shields story.  He even dipped in his second year but is coming back even stronger.  The changing in his tackling has been preposterously good.  You don't see that on the oline.  

 

Am I being hard on Campen?  Who gives a flyin' rat fart.  I have confidence in the overall team and it's coaching to get over hurdles because that's what great teams do.

 

Now you're talking crazy.  Don't even tell me you think Campen is coaching anyone up.   He may be satisfactory in text book teaching but he isn't adding another gear to anyone's game.

I don't think you are giving him enough credit for Lang.  He didn't come into the NFL and show talent like the other 4th rounders.  He rode the pine and got shifted around until last year. 

 

He has had a clear path of progression. 

Sitton was a pro bowler, who coached him up?

 

A rookie is starting at the toughest position in football outside of QB, who coached him up?

 

Barclay and EDS are undrafted free agents starting and performing well, who coached them up?

 

Sitton and Lang switched positions in the off season, who coached them up?

 

Christ, you make is sound like the offensive line just lolly-gags around doing whatever the hell they want in camp/practice while Campen sits in the corner rubbing one out.  

 

I'll ask again.  Have you ever seen Campen in training camp actually coaching?

I'm waiting for your report first.

Here's a report on Joe Philbin & Mike Sherman's OL down in Miami. Both of them are fairly well respected on the OL coaching side

 

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnat...ve-in-offensive-line

 

 

 

 

 

Except he played both LT and RT and did a good job in relief.  

 

Jeff Ireland is your GM.  

I know it ruffles everyone's feathers and all about Campen not being a super genius but then when you go trolling you're going to get big ****ing bite.

 

Where's that report on Brownie's coaching clinic Pakrz?

So this Mike Neal guy is really something huh?

I don't have a report on Campen, if that's who you are referring to...or any other coach for that matter.  

 

Then again, I'm also not proclaiming the guy sucks.  I'm just curious to know how you've come to that conclusion.  

 

I think you're just tossing out a bunch of BS expecting that your opinion is taken as fact.  Look no further than "Lang, Sitton, Bak and Barclay all being 4 year starters."  None of it is true.  

You sound cranky.  

 

 

Not at all brother.  Stella has me feeling happy.... and girly.

I think he is good enough to start, and I feel there are worse centers out there.  I also feel he will never threaten to receive a Pro bowl bonus.

 

Does that put me in the "he's a pro bowler" club?

Not only does Perry look better on the right, Neal did a bull rush putting pressure on Stafford from the left that was IMHO his best play as a pro. 

 

The thread subject is Neal/Coaching staff.  Kevin Greene is very good.  Campen is okay.  There is a big difference.  Greene also has two positions to man with it currently involving 2 1sts and a 2nd.  They better produce.

 

Well it doesn't help with the schtick.  

 

 

 

I just wanted to point out that the man you proclaim TT drafted to play center, J.C. Tretter, spent his first two years in college playing Tight End. 

You must of missed where I stated that earlier.

 

" These are players that have played oline exclusively through college and were starters in that position.  Only Tretter is the anomaly at this point of making the transition to the oline and played at high level when he did.  He was drafted for his intelligence as well as his overall size and athleticism."

 

Maybe you should lie down, put a cold wash cloth on your neck,  you seem to be taking this personally.

CASUALS!

All I know is that if you see Pakrz start making a sandwich.... DUCK !

Oops.  Must have missed that while sifting through all the other bull****.  A wonderlic score of 33 is never a bad thing.

 

Oh I'm not taking this personal big guy... I'm enjoying myself.  A little full though as I just got back from supper.

Originally Posted by Henry:

The OL will need an excellent super genius coach to get them to improve, so you shouldn't bet on it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Missed that. 

another note from the "we don't know schit" file

 

This is Bob McGinn talking about the excellence of Larry McCarren's radio call:

 

 

On a third-and-7 play in the first quarter, the Bengals ran a stunt and defensive end Michael Johnson powered inside as Dietrich-Smith fell backwards in front of him. It was a 5-yard sack.

At first, I had little idea what happened. Craning my neck upward to check the replay,

my guess was EDS simply had been run over by Johnson.

In the radio booth, McCarren had his live look and then a quick check of the personal monitor that he carries to each game. Because NFL games carry about a 5-second delay, he generally catches that second look before Larrivee completes his call.

Said McCarren: "Johnson coming inside on a stunt. Evan Dietrich-Smith picking him up but Dietrich-Smith got tripped over the bodies and garbage laying inside. That's how Johnson got by him."

 

"On Monday, what McCarren said just a few seconds after the sack.. became apparent after two or three more viewings.

Cutting a blitzing linebacker, Starks did collapse into the back of EDS, toppling him.

Dietrich-Smith had been in great position. The sack wasn't his fault at all; it was all on Starks."

 

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I'm pretty sure that was the play where Quarless was open for a big gain if AR had a moment longer.

He is a James Harrison type LB, big and physical, perfect for the scheme

That explains a lot. I've often been amazed at how much detail Larry had about the OLine action just seconds after a play.

Indeed

 

And if you go back to watch the Super Bowl telecast between the Packers and Steelers you'll note that they have a graphic up about the "last SB INT return for a TD by the Packers" ( Herb Adderley) just as Nick Collins crosses the goalline...unpossible

 

If you pay attention, you'll note there's lots of stuff that happens in the broadcast as a result of having a 5-7 second head start

Neal: Thought move to OLB was end of his Packers career.

 

“It’s been a toggle mentally, I have to admit,” Neal said as the Packers prepared for Sunday’s game at Baltimore – where Neal will play a vital role with four-time Pro Bowl outside linebacker Clay Matthews sidelined for at least a month with a broken thumb.

 

“At first, when they drafted Datone and moved me out there, I started looking at it as, ‘Maybe this is just them trying to find me something to do,’ and then if I didn’t work out, I’d get traded or released.

 

“But at the same time, it’s kind of been a blessing in disguise.”

 

 

 

Interesting that Greene was pushing for the move much earlier. He maintains the current trajectory and he'll be in line for a nice payday, hopefully from the Packers.