Niners week

This game might set a ratings record for MNF.

If the Brew Crew wins a game this weekend and is playing at the same time Monday, the Pack-49ers might not even get the most viewers in Wisconsin.

SteveLuke posted:

This game might set a ratings record for MNF.

If the Brew Crew wins a game this weekend and is playing at the same time Monday, the Pack-49ers might not even get the most viewers in Wisconsin.

I haven't thought about that.   When was the last time that happened in the early 80's?

Anyhow, this game to me is extremely critical for the Packers.  They cannot lay an egg against a team that they should beat.  I know I am being Capt. Obvious but they need this game badly before the bye.

If they win the toss, do not defer.  Take the ball and run it down their throats.  Play like the team you profess to be.  Need this one, there are few, if any gimmes after this.  

To follow up, Peak, this team needs something to get it going in the first half of games. GB has led only once at the end of the first quarter and just twice at the half: v MN: tied 7-7 at 1Q, up 17-7 at half; v Buff: up 6-0 at 1Q, up 16-0 at the half.

The other games look like this: v Bears: down 0-7 at 1Q, down 0-17 at half;  v Wash: down 0-14 at 1Q, 10-28 at half;  v Lions: down 0-14 at 1Q, 0-24 at half.

Whatever happened to the GB team that scored more than any other on its first drive? We (okay, me for sure) used to gripe at how we'd get a lead only to see MopTop lose it on the very next drive. This year, the offense doesn't wake up until the half. If they sleep-walk to start this game and have to do the ol' catch-up routine again only to fall short, it is going to be a very long season.

Jerry Rice fumbled. 

Link

Appears Byron Bell has taken over as the starting RG from Justin McCray. 

I think that's a good move. McCray struggles in pass protection and that's kind of important. If they were to lean on the run like they did in the absence of AR last year then McCray would be a better fit. 

That was apparent two weeks ago even without McCray's injury.  The guy flat out sucked and got Rodgers hurt.

Could the Packers have their top-three receivers on Monday night against the 49ers? Randall Cobb and Geronimo Allison both were in pads after missing last week with hamstring injuries. https://t.co/mRXGwxoWcZ pic.twitter.com/ixXoiSwDS9

— Rob Demovsky (@RobDemovsky) October 12, 2018

Aaron Rodgers, presented for practice by Byron Bell. Rodgers appeared to have his knee brace on under his sweats. https://t.co/QsrtTdc1Xb pic.twitter.com/LIGg03BihX

— Rob Demovsky (@RobDemovsky) October 12, 2018

He could've just said, "We do what we do".

Great...Bulaga and Spriggs now both with injuries.  

https://packerswire.usatoday.c...suffer-new-injuries/

Worst TT draft pick? Spriggs is in the running.

If memory serves, I think McCray was fair, if not solid last year. He sure has been lost this year though.
Spriggs...he's bad when healthy, so I'll guess he would be extra bad hobbled by whatever. If we could even see the difference...

I hope the extra day will make the difference for everybody, especially Cobb and Allison. We should be able to make do on defense, but I don't want to see the offense struggle again. 

35-17 Packers. The offense, defense, and special teams will finally all show up to the same game. Afterwards,  we’ll all wonder where the hell this team has been all season. 

The Debbie Downers will remind us that we beat a 1-5 team. The cup-half-fullers will argue that the team just needed to get healthy. The truth will likely be somewhere in between, but we’ll all be a little less stressed going into the bi. 

Adam Pankey is sitting on the practice squad. They will probably activate him if Spriggs is out. Honestly, could he do that much worse?

Oh. And how the hell does Spriggs manage to hurt himself without even fu**ing playing?

Ted's picks in the last 3 years are mostly maddening. Spriggs being one of them. 

Yes, it’s frustrating to fans. I know that injuries happen to every team but ours seem to often happen at the same position.

I think that when Spriggs was drafted they were expecting the same height/weight and potential athleticism that they got from a young Bak. It did not happen. Too light, too mistake prone, and drafted too high.

Hungry5 posted:

He could've just said, "We do what we do".

Pffft!  Who the **** needs to scheme for your opponent in professional football?

PackerPatrick posted:

Yes, it’s frustrating to fans. I know that injuries happen to every team but ours seem to often happen at the same position.

I think that when Spriggs was drafted they were expecting the same height/weight and potential athleticism that they got from a young Bak. It did not happen. Too light, too mistake prone, and drafted too high.

Springs teased with his athleticism, then went to the Senior Bowl where he showed improvement over the course of the week. The insinuation was that with "NFL coaching" he would blossom. However, so far he has proven that the best predictor of the future is the past, he was a "looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane" guy in college & so far that has not changed. 

Henry posted:

Hungry5 posted:

He could've just said, "We do what we do".

Pffft!  Who the **** needs to scheme for your opponent in professional football?

Pretty sure what he is saying is that the plays have been there to be made, the opponents defense isn't what is stopping us, it is us. They spend the early part of the week game planning for next opponent. 

YATittle posted:

Worst TT draft pick? Spriggs is in the running.

I'd still go for Justin Harrell for the worst pick by TT. Unless it was TT who drafted Tony Mandarich over Barry Sanders in that draft.

YATittle posted:

Worst TT draft pick? Spriggs is in the running.

Made especially worse by the fact that we traded up for him. Thornton was bad, didn’t even make it out of TC. Derek Sherrod and Harrell were just wastes of time.

There have been a few stinkers over the years, all teams have some, the prob is this guy is still on the roster and has a important place on the team.....

Thats not on TT.

bdplant posted:

but we’ll all be a little less stressed going into the bi. 

whatever floats your boat, I just want to see a complete performance

The announcers of a couple of the games we played remarked on some of GBs “tells”. When certain players were in the lineup and the body language expressions of a certain player, it would tell when it would be a run or pass play. Lewis and A Jones were the examples used. Perhaps it was the self scout that also identified this as well. If those two players were actually the tells then maybe that part of the reason we don’t see them in the lineup as much as we would like? MMs job this week is to make sure that is no longer the case. It may also clear up some of the cryptic responses from the coach IRT Jones’s snap count. But it still falls on MM to fix that.

Pikes Peak posted:

There have been a few stinkers over the years, all teams have some, the prob is this guy is still on the roster and has a important place on the team.....

Thats not on TT.

To be fair he’s a guy that’s it’s hard not to be patient with. He has the physical skill and the attitude, so if the game ever clicks for him he’s going to be a hell of a player. To me the issue isn’t keeping him on the roster it’s that he’s the top backup at both Tackle spots right now. I know even “good” OTs are a hot commodity and don’t grow on trees, but other than our top 2 guys now and the holdovers from before TT, it’s just crazy that in 13 years we haven’t found 1 player at OT whose worth paying to be a quality backup or worth anything in trade. We have a good OL coach, we’ve found good interior players, and it’s not like OT is a position you HAVE to draft high in R1. Crazy that we’ve been so thin at OT for so many years.

True, but let’s face it, I have heard the same complaints from other teams as well. I read somewhere that LT is only second in importance to QB on the offense. And as defenses get more exotic and defensive players get more freakish, the stress on tackles is compounded. I am continually amazed at Bak’s play. He is the “Persian Diversion”. He redirects better than anyone I have ever watched. He was drafted for his potential because he did not have the size at that time. He grew into the role. And he showed steady improvement with time. It seemed that he was ok to good from the very start. He showed growth as well as promise. Now when it comes to other Oline pickups it’s the same. And I think that if Campen cannot get Spriggs on the right track by now, then it probably won’t happen. Spriggs’ future is as a journeyman at best.

YATittle posted:

Worst TT draft pick? Spriggs is in the running.

Harrell, Hodge, Brohm, Worthy, Datone, Randall, Rollins are probably all worse. 

PackerPatrick posted:

True, but let’s face it, I have heard the same complaints from other teams as well. I read somewhere that LT is only second in importance to QB on the offense. And as defenses get more exotic and defensive players get more freakish, the stress on tackles is compounded. I am continually amazed at Bak’s play. He is the “Persian Diversion”. He redirects better than anyone I have ever watched. He was drafted for his potential because he did not have the size at that time. He grew into the role. And he showed steady improvement with time. It seemed that he was ok to good from the very start. He showed growth as well as promise. Now when it comes to other Oline pickups it’s the same. And I think that if Campen cannot get Spriggs on the right track by now, then it probably won’t happen. Spriggs’ future is as a journeyman at best.

Goes all the way back to high school. In the best football states. When I was in NC my school totally two-platooned. The best athletic big kids were defensive lineman & the rest were offensive lineman. Same thing for skill positions, in reverse, most athletic on offense , rest on defense (or those who just could not handle the ball). Right now , more than ever, it seems like there is a great disparity in depth in : 1) lineman 2) WR / DB. Injuries to DBs (especially during a game) can really turn games around. The 3rd-4th WR on most teams is much better than the 4th-5th CB. Same thing with the 3rd OT, every edge guy on the defense is typically better. 

I also read that it takes a unique personality to play Oline. And as you have posted it’s not a glamorous position in HS. Big kids who don’t have the same attacking skills and mindsets often drift to playing Oline. My son-in-law played guard. I would describe him as quiet, hardworking and “Country Strong”. His mindset was to protect the QB but he really loved the occasion when he could run block and become the hitter and not the hittie, so to speak. But those times were rare and often relied on surprise. It’s just my take, but not a whole lot of emphasis is given to the Oline in recruiting and coaching at the junior level. I read some commentator who said that small schools and the Midwestern schools produced good prospects at that position. Yet many of these kids do not expect to play in the NFL. Given the base of possible players it’s hard to determine just who will excel at the next level after the first round grades are given right before the draft. Maybe it’s Big, smart, loyal, still growing kids who can dance well under pressure?

Henry posted:

Hungry5 posted:

He could've just said, "We do what we do".

Pffft!  Who the **** needs to scheme for your opponent in professional football?

Or in game adjustments. It's not my scheme, it's the execution.

When you start a sentence with "no disrespect", you are about to disrepect someone. 

Pittsburgh Macho in full force. 

He's a highly successful football coach & he's been winning for more than a decade.

What, Me worry?

PackerPatrick posted:

The announcers of a couple of the games we played remarked on some of GBs “tells”. When certain players were in the lineup and the body language expressions of a certain player, it would tell when it would be a run or pass play. Lewis and A Jones were the examples used.....

Spielman showed a couple of things during the Lions game.

The first was an example of Jones moving his eyes L-R-L while lined up in the backfield. Spielman said this was a key read for the LBs, as it indicated a pass play because his eye movement was him scanning for blitzers.
The other example was where Jones was lined up relative to the Guard's shoulder (in this case, it was his outside shoulder). Again, it was a key pre-snap read for the LBs as it indicated whether the play was a run or pass, or whether the run was going inside or outside (whatever it was).

I can't think of the last time I heard/read about one team reading someone like that.  I'm sure it happens all the time but...or maybe it doesn't.

Maybe they don't talk about it. I'm sure it happens all the time, just like stealing of signs in baseball.

FLPACKER posted:

Henry posted:

Hungry5 posted:

He could've just said, "We do what we do".

Pffft!  Who the **** needs to scheme for your opponent in professional football?

Pretty sure what he is saying is that the plays have been there to be made, the opponents defense isn't what is stopping us, it is us. They spend the early part of the week game planning for next opponent. 

That’s an arrogance that should be reserved for teams that can back it up.

I would think that some (all?) of that stuff, especially specific to formations and tendencies,  would be seen by any good coach on film review, and would be pointed out in meetings. If it's that obvious to a TV guy looking at a monitor, it has to be for a coach, surely.
Speaking of, I wonder if that was something Spielman saw himself, a producer/production assistant or spotter noticed it, or did someone pick up some Detroit sideline chatter and passed it on? 
Picking up the eye movement could have been more spontaneous, but there were graphics prepared when he pointed on the G/shoulder alignment, so I would think they would've been prepared in advance, so prior knowledge applies. It could've been tidbits shared during pre-production meetings with the Detroit coaches, so Spielman and production knew to watch for it during the game. If they noticed it, he had a pre-prepared bit to spring on us.

I predict GB will win 28-10.  

With the defense able to throttle inferior QBs, the Packers won't need as many TDs.  The offense - if they are worth anything - should be able to do that.  The good news for Crosby is that he can miss fewer kicks and GB still wins.  

Timmy! posted:

PackerPatrick posted:

The announcers of a couple of the games we played remarked on some of GBs “tells”. When certain players were in the lineup and the body language expressions of a certain player, it would tell when it would be a run or pass play. Lewis and A Jones were the examples used.....

Spielman showed a couple of things during the Lions game.

The first was an example of Jones moving his eyes L-R-L while lined up in the backfield. Spielman said this was a key read for the LBs, as it indicated a pass play because his eye movement was him scanning for blitzers.

That was a good catch by Spielman but I think it was Willliams. Pretty sure that was during the 2+ hours Jones was on the bench.