I'm don't know about others but at Lambeau concessions do come to a halt during the anthem.
I just started watching Hockey this year. I saw probably 6 to 8 games in person at Amalie Arena and watched the lightning in other venues. I have to say at Amalie, the lead up to the National Anthem is inspiring. By the time the gal finishes singing and hearing the crowd singing with her everyone is pumped with Patriotism. The NFL should take note.
michiganjoe posted:"..maybe they shouldn't be in the country." Never a smart move to attempt to appease a racist, even if he's the president.
Trump isn't a racist. Many people believe Obama was racist. That is just as ridiculous. Let's all stop the hyperbole in politics. No one is going to change anyone's. mind here on TimesFour. Like Boris said earlier....no one wants to hear about your politics.
Now, back to the thread: just go back to the way it was a decade or so ago....and like College. Everyone stay in the lockerroom during the National Anthem. Then, come out when it's done for introductions and/or last minute stretching/warm-ups.
SanDiegoPackFan posted:Trump isn't a racist. Many people believe Obama was racist.
SanDiegoPackFan posted:Trump isn't a racist. Many people believe Obama was racist.
That view of Obama is held by a small group on the fringe-right. Trump is an entirely different story.
Of course DJT is not racist, he not only told us that, he also has told us that he has incredible support among the Blacks. I take him at his word....he has never lied before.
"Many people" sometimes means more than 1.
"You people"TM is another story.
I suspect our combined football brains will not solve whether Trump or Obama were a racist.
Lets consider that particular question closed unless you want to discuss it in the politics forum.
Blair Kiel posted:As I age, I mellow.
The kneeling does not offend me in the least.
However.
They're at work...in their bosses workplace. If boss says I can't wear a "Jaymo Sucks" hat......I shouldn't be able to wear a "Jaymo Sucks" hat..
...well. maybe that's a poor analogy.
I would quit that job and get into returnable bottle collecting along the sides of major highways.
Goalline posted:Johnson posted: the NFL absolutely sucks and I am trying to break my addiction to it...this stupidityNo one broke my Packers addiction better than Hundley. I watched exactly 5 minutes of the second Vikings game.
I watched the whole game. I wanted to see what the Viking hype was all about. I didn't see anything to get hyped about.
Herschel posted:Pakrz posted:St. Anthony Police. He was pulled over, in part, because he matched the description of an Armed Robbery suspect. The girl in the car wasn't his wife. The child in the car wasn't his. The officer told Castile twice not to reach for the firearm. The officer was charged, tried in a court of law and found not guilty by a jury of his peers.
Facts matter.
This is a sports message board. Leave your personal agenda on the doorstep... Or at a minimum, know WTF you're talking about if you're going to take that leap.
Oh, the irony.
The simple fact is you piss on the flag every time you tell someone they have to stand for it and the anthem because the very symbolism it represents is that you don't have the right to tell anyone else what it means to them, how they feel, or how they have to honor.
Nobody is telling you you can't stand, hand and hat for the ceremony. You're trying to dictate to other people how they have to. That's a very simple distinction you seem completely unable to make.
The two posts above have no correlation whatsoever.
You're just making shiit up in your second paragraph.
Having spent a fair amount of time in the labor/management arena both managing and consulting I can tell you employee conduct is always on the table from a bargaining or labor relations perspective. Why? If you choose to discipline someone over said conduct (or misconduct) the union can grieve it. It’s really not that difficult to understand.
The concept of “management rights” is just that until it isn’t. What might exist in one CBA may be defined totally different in another CBA. It’s all in the language people. When it isn’t then it’s in the interpretation or past practice.
Whaf I find it amusing that people refer to management rights as some trump card (pun intended) or better yet catch all meant to address everything. That sure seems the approach of the NFL and more specifically the NFL owners that think they can do whatever the **** they want when they want. The reality is it doesn’t work that way. But they got what they got and that is a **** relationship with their employees and their union and the day of reckoning is coming for the league. These idiots should have taken a page from MLB or the NBA but they are going to learn the hard way either through a work stoppage or through fan alienation or disinterest. Good luck NFL!!
michiganjoe posted:SanDiegoPackFan posted:Trump isn't a racist. Many people believe Obama was racist.
That view of Obama is held by a small group on the fringe-right. Trump is an entirely different story.
A small group of racists?
Packiderm posted:Goalline posted:Johnson posted: the NFL absolutely sucks and I am trying to break my addiction to it...this stupidityNo one broke my Packers addiction better than Hundley. I watched exactly 5 minutes of the second Vikings game.
I watched the whole game. I wanted to see what the Viking hype was all about. I didn't see anything to get hyped about.
I don't know. They looked special against Philly.
Goalline posted:michiganjoe posted:SanDiegoPackFan posted:Trump isn't a racist. Many people believe Obama was racist.
That view of Obama is held by a small group on the fringe-right. Trump is an entirely different story.
A small group of racists?
Even racists know he's racist. He's the raciest.
Gonna defend Mr. T.
I don't think he's a racist.
He is not anything.
He's about him and nothing else.
Blair Kiel posted:Gonna defend Mr. T.
I don't think he's a racist.
He is not anything.
He's about him and nothing else.
I'm afraid you're right.
Something I read on Facebook pretty well sums up my feelings on the NFL and the Anthem:
Patriotism isn't about making everyone stand and salute the flag.
Patriotism is about making a country where everyone wants to.
YATittle posted:Blair Kiel posted:Gonna defend Mr. T.
I don't think he's a racist.
He is not anything.
He's about him and nothing else.
I'm afraid you're right.
No. He’s not. At all.
Trump may not personally be a racist. But his base is dripping with them. And he’ll never do anything to piss off that 35%. Which by default makes Trump a total racist.
Are black people racist because 94% of them didn't vote for Trump?
Blair Kiel posted:Gonna defend Mr. T.
I don't think he's a racist.
He is not anything.
He's about him and nothing else.
Not much of a defense.
Wasn't trying too hard. 
Pack88 posted:This is only an issue because of that F******g moron Trump. Oct 12 will be my 60th year of watching the Packers but todays announcement has caused me to think I won't be celebrating it. Giving in to that scumbag just invites more and I hope the players take them to court!!
Pack88
This is some stupid bull**** right here...
Blair Kiel posted:Are black people racist because 94% of them didn't vote for Trump?
No. They’re visionaries.
Blair Kiel posted:Gonna defend Mr. T.
I don't think he's a racist.
He is not anything.
He's about him and nothing else.
How is that different from any other politician?
Other politicians have a modicum of intelligence.
“That’s some weird ****”. Dubya
He isn't dumb, he just let's his drive for vengeance and self aggrandized authoritarianism make it look that way.
Going for the cheap shot and the Dubya quote. That's prime history book stuff. They should put that on a plaque at the entrance of Dubya's presidential library.
