@mrtundra posted:
Brewers trade their 4th or 5th starter (Houser) and a backup outfielder (Taylor) for a guy that may not pitch this year, but could be really good in about 2026.
Cleared 2 spots on the 40 man roster. Houser was a workhorse…but a .500 pitcher.
I hope they are clearing a roster spot to sign Carlos Santana.
Didn’t want to pay Houser the 5M in arby year. That’s basically the reason he was dealt.
Not a huge loss, but given their starting pitching situation not sure why you do this as a back end starter he’ll give you innings and quality depth and versatility.
Buncha huge Hauser and Taylor fans out there with broken hearts
With the exciting Packers season Brewer news has taken a backseat so there is some catching up to do.
Jan. 3. Brewers trade LHP Justin Chambers and a player to be named for LHP Bryan Hudson.
Jan 3. Brewers activate SS Brice Truang
Jan 5. Sign Austin Nola to minor leadgue deal and spring training invite.
Jan 10. Hoby Milner signs $2.05 million 1 year deal avoiding arbitration.
Jan 11. Willy Adames signs a $12.25 million 1 year contract avoiding arbitation.
Corbin Burnes, Brewers agree at $15,637,500
— Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) January 12, 2024
That is great news. And the Cubs lose Stroman to the Yankees.
Heard on the radio they avoided arby with all 6 eligible players. Includes Devin Williams with a 2 year contract.
In total, 23 arbitration-eligible players did not reach terms on a contract and are seemingly headed for a trial. Deals still could be worked out, either for one year or long-term. Here is the full list of players, their requested salaries and teams' requested salaries. pic.twitter.com/M3gBan7Huv
— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) January 12, 2024
and you all thought Mark A was cheap
Casey Mize and the Tigers Front Office at their $25K dispute arbitration hearing: pic.twitter.com/OLZ61Q2ISv
— Calico Joe (@CalicoJoeMLB) January 12, 2024
Former Brewer closer, Josh Hader, agrees to a contract with the Astros.
@mrtundra posted:Former Brewer closer, Josh Hader, agrees to a contract with the Astros.
Not Brewers news but former Brewer news anyway
Hell just froze over:
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/n...ion-deal-per-report/
I would have rather had Carlos Santana. I think he may have cost less too. Sure, Hoskins in younger but with the opt out they could right back in the same situation next off season.
Could not be happier with this signing. By all accounts a good dude
I was thinking they needed a left handed bat more. But I hope Hoskins can get back to what he was in Philly, or maybe even better.
@"We"-Ka-Bong posted:Could not be happier with this signing. By all accounts a good dude
How often does he strike out?
Whew!!! When I saw the name Arroyo I was hoping it wasn't Bronson Arroyo. 
That dude must be 60 by now.
https://www.si.com/fannation/m...cts-ranked-in-top-50
This seems important
Burnes for two prospects. One is a very good defensive shortstop who had a very good year at AAA. Ortiz is major league ready, so it might mean that Adames is headed out as well.
October 11, 2023
Offseason trade that would make sense?#Brewers send Corbin Burnes to #Orioles in return for 3 high end prospects. O's have the $ room to extend Burnes thereafter.
— Mat Germain (@Mat_Germain_) October 11, 2023
Still some good pitchers unsigned yet. Blake Snell, Jordan Montgomery, Micheal Lorenzen.
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/...ks-brewers-with-a-c/
Grading the trade
Our projected opening day salary: $92 million. 🤣
At this point, I’m getting to where I don’t even care anymore. The Brewers routinely draw 2.5 to 3 million at Miller Park (I refuse to call it AFF), and after building one of the best rotations in baseball, put a nothing lineup together to support them. Now Burnes and Woodruff are gone, and we’re back to playing the prospect game.
And for the record, I’m not at all excited about Hoskins. .240 hitter with a 30 home run ceiling and a 126 wRC+. He’s a below average defensive first baseman, and his walk rate has tanked the last two years he played, from 15.3% from 2017 to 2020 to 10.7% across 2021 and 2022.
Oh yeah, and he missed all of last year with a torn ACL.
Joy!
Maybe we can augment our lineup with some more never beens like Johnathan Singleton and has beens like an over the hill Josh Donaldson.
41 years since our only appearance in the World Series, and that number isn’t stopping anytime soon.
But Matt Arnold is “excited” about the young talent coming in. Of course he is.
And as to Burnes, he publicly stated he only had one year left in Milwaukee. Hmm, wonder why? Maybe because you dissed the guy publicly, and then cheaped out on him in arbitration.
Now he’s going to a 101 win team, and we’ll get to see another ex-Brewer star in the playoffs.
I think moving Burnes was the right move, it always seems to fans like the return was light, so I will reserve judgement. Would love to see Adames traded also to wrap up the youth movement.
The part that really stings is Hader and Woodruff and Burnes have netted you one decent player in Contreras.
I mean, we all knew they had to deal Burnes but I would have expected them to get back at least a legit bat. The guys they got back are nothing special, although, I do like an extra draft pick. But this is Corbin Burnes- a top 5-7 quality starting pitcher the last 4 years.
And don’t even get me started on the Hoskins move. It was basically a salary trade off for Burnes. If you are going to tank and rebuild just get on with it already. It makes zero sense to sign Hoskins if you are dealing Burnes. I expect them to move Adames next.
As for the Orioles, man, I love that move for them. They may be the AL favorites now and basically kept all their elite players and prospects.
@Tschmack posted:The part that really stings is Hader and Woodruff and Burnes have netted you one decent player in Contreras.
I mean, we all knew they had to deal Burnes but I would have expected them to get back at least a legit bat. The guys they got back are nothing special, although, I do like an extra draft pick. But this is Corbin Burnes- a top 5-7 quality starting pitcher the last 4 years.
And don’t even get me started on the Hoskins move. It was basically a salary trade off for Burnes. If you are going to tank and rebuild just get on with it already. It makes zero sense to sign Hoskins if you are dealing Burnes. I expect them to move Adames next.
As for the Orioles, man, I love that move for them. They may be the AL favorites now and basically kept all their elite players and prospects.
And they were really lucky to get Contreras. For some reason, the A's wanted Ruiz, which is who they got from the Padres initially, along with Gasser and two veterans they didn't want anyways. The Brewers got Contreras because the A's didn't want him to replace Murphy and flipped him for a fast, slap-hitting, no power guy in Ruiz (which seems a description every prospect the Brewers have brought up in the last 2 years.
For three all-star level guys, they got Gasser, Contreras, Joey Ortiz (basically a slightly better version of Brice Turang), and a back of the rotation pitcher (DL Hall).
The comp pick they got from Baltimore was the same as the comp pick they'd have gotten in 2025 when Burnes left as a free agent, so I don't really count it as part of the trade.
If Jackson Chourio turns out to be as good as promised, that's what will be exciting to watch this year. If they trade Adames which is where it looks like things are going (why get Ortiz to keep Adames?), the rest of the team will be Yelich, Contreras, Hoskins, and a bunch of scrappy try-hard guys with minimal power.
It's looking like a return to 1994-2008.
I’ve heard some Brewers talking heads rave about Ortiz. Defensively, he’s very good. Offensively, he’s got a long way to go. His contact rate might be high, but the knock against him is he struggles to get the barrel of the bat on the ball, so he hits a lot of balls into the ground. That may or may not improve.
Yes, Burnes might be a 1 year rental but with new Orioles ownership maybe they extend him? Regardless, we got a pitcher that might be just good enough to be a back end starter and a tier 3 prospect (Ortiz). Oh boy. No Jackson Holliday or Gunner Henderson to be sure.
I said months ago the Brewers were going to reduce salary and guess what? Their payroll is now in the bottom 1/3 of the league. You are either all in or you aren’t but quit dicking around and just be honest with us.
@Tschmack posted:I’ve heard some Brewers talking heads rave about Ortiz. Defensively, he’s very good. Offensively, he’s got a long way to go. His contact rate might be high, but the knock against him is he struggles to get the barrel of the bat on the ball, so he hits a lot of balls into the ground. That may or may not improve.
Yes, Burnes might be a 1 year rental but with new Orioles ownership maybe they extend him? Regardless, we got a pitcher that might be just good enough to be a back end starter and a tier 3 prospect (Ortiz). Oh boy. No Jackson Holliday or Gunner Henderson to be sure.
I said months ago the Brewers were going to reduce salary and guess what? Their payroll is now in the bottom 1/3 of the league. You are either all in or you aren’t but quit dicking around and just be honest with us.
If the Brewers were to trade Adames for prospects, which I would guess is the next likely move, they would have a payroll of about 72 million. I know some of it is deferred, but Ohtani is at 70 million for this year alone.
Many people have said this for decades, but at this point it really may be the time to ask if the MLB financial model is sustainable. The Dodgers and Yankees 2024 payrolls are right at 300 million. The Cubs are at 200 million. The Rangers are at about 240 million. The Rangers are paying almost 65 to have DeGrom and Scherzer sit on the bench for at least the first few months of the season, and they still had enough to win a World Series with two guys sitting out that about as much as the non-Yelich Brewers payroll.
Adames is out this year and then Devin Williams will be traded next off-season.
Of the 72 million (without Adames), 22 million is Yelich.
I think the issue is two fold. One, there’s no cap to manage - either a floor or a ceiling. That allows the small market teams to pocket shared revenue and not spend enough, and it incentivizes big market teams to simply outbid and overpay nearly half of the teams in MLB and there’s no penalty or luxury tax.
The other problem I see is the player compensation model is seriously flawed. You have players in their prime making literally no money due to teams manipulating or extending the service years, then when players do hit the market they are vastly overpaid and likely are on the downslope. It would be like paying Giannis 1M-3M his first 6-7 years in the NBA, then 100M his last 6-7 years with it all guaranteed.
How many MLB teams players are excelling at the age of 35?
@Tschmack posted:The part that really stings is Hader and Woodruff and Burnes have netted you one decent player in Contreras.
This might be the hottest of takes.
Hader netted Contreras = Good
Woodruff got nothing = bad. Should have traded him earlier, instead got nothing
Burnes got unknows = bad. Trading him now was bad.
Surprised the post wasn't, The part that really stings is Hader and Woodruff and Burnes and Braun and Cain have netted you one decent player in Contreras.
being a brewer fan is tough. i drifted away after they let molitor go. every now and then they pull me back in for a bit (like 2018 and last year). but in the end, it’s always the same old story.
i live in baltimore now and this burnes trade is really hard to take. i fuckin’ hate the orioles
Much like Corbin Burnes going on record stating this was his last year in Milwaukee, can we get the same outcome with Mark A and Matt Arnold? Any chance Dave Rubenstein has any money left over to buy the Brewers and trade us back Corbin Burnes?
By the way, Molitor didn’t want to be in Milwaukee either, despite the owner and front office rolling out the red carpet and providing him an offer he couldn’t refuse.
I mean, David Ortiz and the Twins really like that take as well.